From: Szatmari Pal Date: Wed Mar 20, 2002 8:59 pm Subject: Re: Legend DVD and Shy people Hi List-members, I just re-subbed after being away for a long time but recently I have been browsing the discussions in the archives. Now to the Legend thread: I have been waiting for Legend to be released on DVD so that I could enjoy some bonus material (for example soundtrack selection between the two scores) and now it seems that the Ultimate Edition DVD will be kept for the US market. It just sucks. I had hated DVD region codes but now I hate them more than ever. The European release sucks big time: it includes the European cut with Dolby stereo sound and the only bonus is an American theatrical trailer. Ridiculous and pathetic if I compare the two releases. I have seen the European cut several times. I myself like Jerry Goldsmith. Great composer but his Legend soundtrack is nothing special to me. When later I bought the TD soundtrack on CD... wow. I felt it fit the movie like a glove. --------------- Last night Shy people was shown on TV. Well, Mr. Konchalovsky does not seem to be a music-lover :-P ... No music under main titles, actually no music for 30 minutes... then some non-TD music and then only 3 or 4 inserts of TD music 2 of which were lifted from The Park is Mine! Strange. The movie itself was a let-down for me. Ciao, Pal From: 'goozergrafx' Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 4:23 pm Subject: Re: *Logotypes' *NOT* 'Logostypes'! The original title for this boot is 'Logotypes'. 'Logostypes' came into being as the result of an apparent misunderstanding of the title as reported to the individual making the original CD-R copies (hmmm...talk about oxymoronic! :)) and was subsequently placed on the temp art sent out on them while the true art was still being finished. I am familiar with all of the individuals involved in the making of this CD, so I know this report firsthand. As to the content, it contains the complete 1st set and 2/3 of the 2nd set (which with the reworked first 6 mins. of the 1st set in place of 'Mojave Plan' comprised _Logos_.) Here's the liner notes from the original 'edition': +++++++++++++++ TANGERINE DREAM LOGOTYPES ? POLYGON STUDIO BERLIN 1982 Whenever fans are asked to list their favorite TD albums, Logos ? Live at The Dominion is very often at or near the top. Coming at the end of 1982, Logos represents both an end and a beginning; an end to the mostly improvised performances which made every show a unique experience, and the beginning of the tightly sequenced, rhythymically dynamic and melodically structured direction that has continued to the present. It was also a representation of the very prolific output from the band during this time. Between 1970 and 1979, TD released 12 albums; between 1980 and 1982 they released 6! This was also the beginning of their reign in Hollywood: no fewer than 9 soundtracks were composed during this period; including Strange Behaviour, Thief, The Soldier, Tatort and The Keep. That kind of output continued throughout the 80?s. Logos reflects all of these elements and more within its? continuously shifting patterns. This is not to say that the music was (is) uninspired; quite to the contrary, the newfound direction was a logical and necessary step in the evolution of TD?s sound. The inspirational muse of the band merely moved from improvisation to composititon. Themes and structures were now developed rather than ?discovered?. But within the compositions, there remains a rich and varied texture of sound, which can and does reward the listener with a new experience upon every play. This is the essence of a true artist. This is the essence of Tangerine Dream. This disc was taken from a soundboard cassette of the rehearsals for the 1982 fall tour. The first track contains over 20 minutes of material not available elswhere. The second track begins midway through ?Mojave Plan?, and ends after the second theme from ?Logos Part B?, here called ?Descent Into Madness?. All track titles are my ?impressions? of the theme except where a real title exists. All flaws in the material are present on the cassette; hiss, flutter (?Renewed Purpose?), dropouts (the first 5 minutes of ?Mojave Plan? were unusable) and edits (?The Keep?). The remaining 10 minutes of the second set were edited due to space limitations. +++++++++++ Of course, now that we have official titles for some of the 'impressions', the art should be updated. I doubt that they'd be bothered, though. :) goozer --- In tadream@y..., 'Matthew Sawyer' wrote: > From: 'Mark Filipak' > > > As I wrote, I don't have much stuff from 'The Keep' (in fact, only the > > BM boot), but I thought that 'Hijack' was the name from 'The Keep'. > > Is this incorrect? > > > As far as I know the title comes from 'Logostype' and not from any of The > Keep releases. Logostype contains the first 5 minutes of the Logos concert > (with the title 'Hijack'), then the 50 minutes of music that was cut from > the offical Logos release. > > > Maff > _______________________________________________ > www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru > www.mst3uk.com > www.eclipsecafe.com From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 3:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D:ST [Sorcerer] was Re: Chris' Eagle Ah, I had no idea. I just guessed by the release date - now, don't tell me it wasn't released in 1977 :) thanks for the correction GJ >'Sorcerer' was composed in April, 1975. -- Mark Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 6:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream live at SBE > > I have a 3cdr copy of the Sheps 2001 concert,which i obtained from a > thouroughly nice chap whom is a member of the mailing list,and > excellent sound to,met Gary Jenkins and a many others at that gig,a > beautiful may day in London,it was a smashing day,even managed to > grab Edgars sweaty towel at the end,still under lock and key in a > local bank vault,hoping to get it signed one day, Offers over £100000 > Considered. That really was a nice day, I took my wife with me to London and we stayed there for a couple of days (needless to say that she didn't want to go to the concert, she was watching the Eurovision Song Contest on TV instead ~lol~). I was sitting right next to the person who recorded the show with his Minidisc recorder up in the balcony section, outside it was 25°C and it must have been even warmer inside the concert hall. A few minutes into the gig Edgar & Jerome already seem to be bathing in sweat and were asking for towels. As usual the security staff showed no mercy and I remember a few people had to leave the hall because they tried taking photographs, or weren't smart enough to hide their recording equipment. Heiko From: 'hyperboreauk' Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:31 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream live at SBE --- In tadream@y..., 'convention24' wrote: > --- In tadream@y..., 'Matthew Sawyer' wrote: > > From: 'René Brenner' > > a > Hi Colin yes I agree A great day back in May it was great to meet you and a few others only regret did not meet more people from the list.This will always be a special day for me as you already know it was the last time my great friend Ian witnessed this great group live and if i ever get to see them again it will be very strange going without him.Another memory that will stick in my mind is you fighting for that towel lol. Cheers Gary www.hyperborea.v21net.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > From: 'hyperboreauk' Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 9:37 am Subject: TDI The Keep Hi again probably a very daft question but if anybody on this list has got a copy of the TDI release of The Keep they might consider selling, does not matter which year please contact me off list I would make a very serious offer. Cheers Gary www.hyperborea.v21net.co.uk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33007 Re: TDI The Keep Michael A Jean Wed 3/27/2002 3 KB 33008 Re: TDI The Keep Antonio Nunes Wed 3/27/2002 2 KB 33009 Re: TDI The Keep Armin Theissen Wed 3/27/2002 3 KB 33010 Re: TDI The Keep RJF Wed 3/27/2002 2 KB 33058 Re: TDI The Keep syensen Thu 3/28/2002 3 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 11:39 am Subject: RE: [tadream] TDI The Keep I thought Kees was selling one on Ebay this week... > -----Original Message----- > From: hyperboreauk [mailto:hyperborea@b...] > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 4:38 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] TDI The Keep > > > Hi again probably a very daft question but if anybody on this list > has got a copy of the TDI release of The Keep they might consider > selling, does not matter which year please contact me off list I > would make a very serious offer. > > Cheers Gary > > www.hyperborea.v21net.co.uk > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 12:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI The Keep Michael A Jean wrote: > > I thought Kees was selling one on Ebay this week... Yes, but the auction is closed now. US $405.00 wow! Antonio From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI The Keep 405 bucks????? Damnit, I should have bought more when I got mine... a. > > > Michael A Jean wrote: > > > > I thought Kees was selling one on Ebay this week... > > Yes, but the auction is closed now. US $405.00 wow! > > Antonio > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33010 Re: TDI The Keep RJF Wed 3/27/2002 2 KB 33058 Re: TDI The Keep syensen Thu 3/28/2002 3 KB From: RJF Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 2:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TDI The Keep > >405 bucks????? Damnit, I should have bought more when >I got mine... > I don't understand it. I've heard this and it's not worth a $4. -- Richard F From: 'heineu' Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 2:16 pm Subject: TD News in ELEKTROBEATS today ??? Hi all, today at Radio Eins will be broadcast the 'ElktroBeats Show' and I hope I can hear NEWS about the Concert in June in Berlin (Museumsinsel). I will recorded this show, and I will posted another email with the result. Regards heiko - Mr. Optical www.opticaldream.de (update: 25.03.2002) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33056 17 TDI CDs for only 9.99 Euros / 8 $ - each!!! Rainer Rutka Thu 3/28/2002 3 KB 36717 The Tangerine Dream Band 1969 (no joke). UNDERGROUND film pictures a Rainer Rutka rainerrutka Thu 10/17/2002 3 KB 36718 Test-ignore Rainer Rutka rainerrutka Fri 10/18/2002 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 6:08 pm Subject: go check your mail I'd be surprised if they got there lready, but stanger things have happened... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33018 Re: go check your mail Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 3/27/2002 3 KB 33019 Re: go check your mail Joe Shoults Wed 3/27/2002 2 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 6:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Alien Seagull Is there a complete list of there of all of the appearances of Chris's 'Alien Seagull?' It would be nice to see its evolution so to speak. Wade --- Szatmari Pal wrote: > >I have always liked that sound.....even though it > appears in lots of > pieces. > >But what is it really? > > To the best of my knowledge it is a modulated sinus > wave, and as Chris has > been using it extensively, I think it is _his_ baby. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ From: 'fozziebear' Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 6:39 pm Subject: SBE Heiko It wasn't a case of being smart enough to hide recording gear. The staff were probably SAS trained! They were finding recorders on people near to me that I didn't know had recorders working. It is easy enough to get the equipment in. It is not so easy to have it working when you are sitting down. Weren't you standing up downstairs anyway? If so that was probably why it was easier to record with lots of people moving about. There are only 2 concerts I haven't been able to record and they were both at SBE, TD that night and Patti Smith. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 6:58 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Inferno CD - first impressions can you tell us who is singing what parts? > -----Original Message----- > From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] > (most noticeably in the part where Iris Kulterer is singing), > Janey Klimek's vocals must have been partly re-recorded From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 6:39 pm Subject: The Keep (Orange records) Hi all, I still can't believe that this record isn't available at every street corner. It's a pressed CD, not a CDR. I've put a little info onto my homepage, inc MP3's of the four extra tracks. Please help in identifying their original source, any feedback is welcome. http://www.caby.de/Music cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33052 Re: The Keep (Orange records) Paul Fellows Thu 3/28/2002 2 KB 33060 The Keep (Orange records) Klaus Beschorner Thu 3/28/2002 3 KB From: 'fozziebear' Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 7:03 pm Subject: CD's Can CDs wear out? I'm asking because I had Are you sequenced on my computer on constant repeat for 2 weeks, until I changed it on 26 March to Cyclone to celebrate having seen TD for the first time 24 years ago on 26 / 3 / 78. Now playing Valentine Wheels. Inferno should be arriving anyday. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 7:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] go check your mail ? what are you telling me? Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Joe Shoults' To: Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 10:08 AM Subject: [tadream] go check your mail > I'd be surprised if they got there lready, but stanger things have > happened... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 7:24 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] go check your mail oops! meant for Al offlist. Might as well say I got my disks Saturday and had them mailed out by Monday. Very nice. > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 1:08 PM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: [tadream] go check your mail > > > I'd be surprised if they got there lready, but stanger things have > happened... > > From: Liondream@a... Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 7:20 pm Subject: OT? Z1 On the subject of the Z1... has anyone tried the sounds of zi rom card for the proteus synths? Just curious how they compare... I'm thinking of picking up one of the xk1 keyboards from emu when they come out (and after I've had a chance to test one), and maybe loading it up with the z1 rom card. The arpeggiator on the new xk keys sounds very intriguing. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33024 Re: OT? Z1 Administrator for kay-net.com Wed 3/27/2002 3 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 7:14 pm Subject: Chris Franke sounds I love the 'Alien Seagull' sound. Considering the timeframe of when it first appeared (and the sound of it) it very well probably was the Moog modular or something along that vein. That means it should be fairly easy to approximate in something like the Nord modular or some software synths. Can't say that I've ever tried, but I think that it might be an interesting experiment. Makes me wonder whether by any chance it appears on the Sonic Images sampling cds from QUpArts. << Subject: Re: Chris Franke's signature Alien Seagull >>If you mean the sound that can be heard also on Peter Baumann's solo >>album 'Trans-Harmonic Nights' on the track 6 'Meridian Moorland' at >>2:38, I wouldn't call it a Chris Franke's signature, as Chris Franke is >>not credited on this album. The track 'Meridian Moorland' with the alien >>seagull sound can also be heard on Peter Baumann's compilation 'Phase by >>Phase'. Does anyone know what instrument was used to produce the sound, and if there is a WAV file of it. -- Richard F>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33026 Re: Chris Franke sounds Paul Lawler Wed 3/27/2002 4 KB 33027 Re: Chris Franke sounds Marcel Engels Wed 3/27/2002 2 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 7:28 pm Subject: OT skip and XK and Z1 arpeggiator Skip function is very important. FWIW, reading the xk manual, looks like the new arpeggiator does have a skip function. Regarding romplers... if you have a computer and want to put most of your investment towards say a Z1, you can still get something like Sampletank or (better and cheaper IMO) Sonic Reality. That way you can have the best of both worlds. The advantage of something like sampletank over a hardware rompler (at this point in time) is the huge waveshapes that are possible on the computer. IMO, the software side is not to be overlooked as a very viable source of sound generators. Dale, also your idea of sampling your hardware synths and creating presets to play is I think another interesting path to explore. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33035 Re: OT skip and XK and Z1 arpeggiator Eric Williamson Thu 3/28/2002 2 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 7:37 pm Subject: OT Samplers For ease of use and visual feedback - and especially for studio use, I think it's difficult to beat a software sampler. Halion is cool and fairly 'brainless' to use. EMU is coming out with a software Emulator. Also check out Kontakt from Native Instruments. Good luck! << Subject: Re: synths You know you are right. However, everytime I look at a sampler I get confused on what I need, what I want, then I revert back to using a analog synth, pcm, fm or what ever then wish I had a sampler. I been told some are hard to use, program wont hold this or that. I played with a few, the korg electib-s, a Akai MSU?. Just did not get the feel for it. I saw the roland, played with it, saw I could use it as a synth too, fits the rack. Then I asked (open my mouth again) now I am wondering just what. How easy is the Yamaha? In desert city here it is hard to find equipment. I have to go down below to LA to poke around. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge.>>> From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 7:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT? Z1 read about it too. I decided to stick to cakewalk to use as a arpeggiator, so I have that start and stop as needed (just set a hot key up to start track, stop track, rewind, play etc, to midi keyboard). Even a midi footswitch worked fine. I also been looking at the body wear midi devices. Like the gloves and motion sensors to trigger the events as needed. Imagine waving your hand or pointing at a object to trigger a sound/sequence etc. Just GOD like. Tie that into the lights or a few flash pots and it's 'SHOWTIME'. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: [tadream] OT? Z1 > On the subject of the Z1... has anyone tried the sounds of zi rom card for the proteus synths? Just curious how they compare... > > I'm thinking of picking up one of the xk1 keyboards from emu when they come out (and after I've had a chance to test one), and maybe loading it up with the z1 rom card. > > The arpeggiator on the new xk keys sounds very intriguing. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 8:15 pm Subject: [tree] SHN files for download SHN edition of the tree is now available for download! (ftp) At the current time, we can only accept one download applicant with BROADBAND access. Please reply, and the first person who replies will obtain access. Sorry only one at this time, but we are going to see how it goes with one person first, then add more if possible. >From the Tree database, I show the following SHN people as not having yet received their disks, and not being about to receive them immediately due to their branch having them: Chad Vance Craig Chambers Craig Claerbaut Dan Downey Emanue Salgado Vieira Neto Greg Heil Gustavo Jobim James Owens Jeff Lester Jeff Pearce John Christian Karl W. Reinsch Kevin Jowers Mark Filipak Michael W. Daniels Morgan Feldon Neil Faiman Richard Maggio tei waz Thomas Beuthe Timo Astala Utch Entel Vince LeGrand Thanks, Joe From: 'Paul Lawler' Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 8:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Chris Franke sounds No it doesn`t .but there are a few other good Franke sounds on there, as well as some TD sounds from Undrwater sunlight era . Paul http://www.mp3.com/PaulLawler http://www.mp3.com/-Arcane- http://www.vision68.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 7:14 PM Subject: [tadream] Chris Franke sounds > I love the 'Alien Seagull' sound. > > Considering the timeframe of when it first appeared (and the sound of it) it very well probably was the Moog modular or something along that vein. That means it should be fairly easy to approximate in something like the Nord modular or some software synths. > > Can't say that I've ever tried, but I think that it might be an interesting experiment. > > Makes me wonder whether by any chance it appears on the Sonic Images sampling cds from QUpArts. > > > << Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:40:17 +0000 > From: RJF > Subject: Re: Chris Franke's signature Alien Seagull > > >>If you mean the sound that can be heard also on Peter Baumann's solo > >>album 'Trans-Harmonic Nights' on the track 6 'Meridian Moorland' at > >>2:38, I wouldn't call it a Chris Franke's signature, as Chris Franke is > >>not credited on this album. The track 'Meridian Moorland' with the alien > >>seagull sound can also be heard on Peter Baumann's compilation 'Phase by > >>Phase'. > > Does anyone know what instrument was used to produce the sound, and if > there is a WAV file of it. > -- > Richard F>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 8:47 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Chris Franke sounds > From: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...] > > I love the 'Alien Seagull' sound. > > Considering the timeframe of when it first appeared (and the > sound of it) it very well probably was the Moog modular or > something along that vein. That means it should be fairly easy to > approximate in something like the Nord modular or some software synths. Hmm didn't I say that a week ago? It comes from the Moog Modular. If it is done on the Nord Modular it will be different because the Nord modular is not a Moog modular. :-) Marcel From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 10:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno observations I've listened to about the first 8 tracks of TDI's 'proper' Inferno release (it arrived Monday) and I've gotta agree with Peter Ravn--the TDI release sounds sterile. Certainly doesn't have the live warmth of any of the live fan recordings I've heard from both 7 October 2001 shows. While the resolution of the TDI version is better as to be expected, unfortunately the vocals are prominently forward in the mix. I don't know about you, but I like TD to primarily let the music do the speaking, not the vox--so needless to say I give a much bigger thumb up to the live fan recordings. Additionally, I see no point whatsoever in adding the cut-and-paste 'clap' track at the beginning of the disc--it doesn't sound right--certainly not for St. Marien Kirche--it reminds me of livemiles. A new TD release has been a long time coming. Hope the next one seems less like Purgatory. ;) --T (still looking fwd to the SHN tree version) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 11:52 pm Subject: RE: SHN discs wow- that wsa fast! I think I remember someone saying something about it, and poeple might want to lynch me, but I made my own track times for bernau. there was no cue sheet, the file was one big wav, and the track times given point to the middle of songs! I broke up the track times more appropriately for my redbook copies, and Ther eis also an error on the Bilbao disk 2: there is a gap of about 1/2 second of silence at the end o track 2 AND the beginning of track 3. I removed the silence, and also corrected one gap in the crowd noise inside track 3 by mixing in some crowd noise over the gap. looks (sounds) like that one slipped through the editing cracks, so to speak. I wasted 7 or 8 CDRs trying to figure out what I was doing wrong to get those gaps between the tracks! I (incorrectly) assumed that the SHN files were ready to burn right away. But since most of the other disks were single track, or already broken into tracks, it wasn't an issue on any others, except: BERNAU TRACK TIMES Honestly, I was being completely stupid and forgot that the track times were listed on the artwork. The SHN extracts to one big wav file instead of individual tracks so I thought it was up to me to either burn as one huge track, or more sensibly, create my own track times. So I broke the disk up into tracks, based upon my listening to the music, and where I thought the music made major breaks into new themes or interludes. It wasn't until after I had already burnt off most of my Redbooks that I remembered about the track times being on the artwork. But when I compared, the original artwork track times didn't make sense to me. It seemed that they were cut in the middle of songs, but of course it's hard to define sometimes when the music is all stitched together. Comparing my track times to the original ones, they do match at certain points, like the end of track 2 for example, but others break at different points. So, I was going to include the original versions with my versions, but I ran out of blanks. I had already made some with my new (ahem, 'correct') times, and it would be no big deal to make another copy, but it was Monday morning (I pulled an allnighter burning Sunday night!) and I had to leave, and I didn't have time to make another batch right then, and I just wanted to get these to the post office asap. I had everything else all done, so i just went to the post office and sent them out as-is. Now, I really am not fond of the idea that there are two different versions of track times floating around, but I really like mine better, and it's too late. And I guess you could say there were already 2 versions, with the official release out. Maybe I'll revise the artwork to reflect my times if I ... find the time. So, in case anyone is upset by this, I apologize in advance. 7:14 4:41 2:20 1:17 7:57 12:17 7:10 1:34 3:02 15:21 8:36 0:44 1:11 5:11 Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 3:53 PM > To: Joe Shoults > Subject: SHN discs > > > I just got your SHN discs. > > Have you heard anything about some of the discs having > indexing problems? > > -Morgan > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33030 AW: [tadream] RE: SHN discs Herbert Wed 3/27/2002 7 KB 33031 Joe's Inferno Re: [tadream] RE: SHN discs Gustavo Jobim Thu 3/28/2002 2 KB 33033 Re: SHN discs Joe Shoults Thu 3/28/2002 3 KB 33073 Re: SHN discs albenson Fri 3/29/2002 4 KB 33074 Re: SHN discs albenson Fri 3/29/2002 2 KB 33075 Re: SHN discs albenson Fri 3/29/2002 2 KB 33085 Re: SHN discs - Joe's personal Inferno michael_berling Fri 3/29/2002 4 KB From: 'Herbert' Date: Wed Mar 27, 2002 11:52 pm Subject: AW: [tadream] RE: SHN discs i'd posted the track timings of the official inferno cd some days ago: 1. Before The Closing Of the day 4:50 2. The spirit of Virgil 2:39 3. Minotaurae hunt at dawn 3:24 4. Those once broke the first word 3:38 5. Dante in dispair 3:25 6. Io non mor 5:49 7. Vidi tre face 4:41 8. At the deepest point in space 2:38 9. L'omperador del deloroso regno 4:45 10. Voices in the starless night 4:14 11. Fear and longing 3:06 12. Fallen for Death 4:38 13. Where all light went silent 3:39 14. Charon, il barchere 3:59 15. La grey de los almas perdidas 7:28 16. Justice of the karma law 3:02 17. As the sun moves towards heaven 7:57 18. Beatrice, l'ame infinite 5:10 there's not too much relationship between the tree tarck timings and the official. to verify the integrty of the uploaded file please use the md5-checksum. Herbert > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. Marz 2002 00:53 > An: 'Morgan Feldon' > Cc: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Betreff: [tadream] RE: SHN discs > > > wow- that wsa fast! > > I think I remember someone saying something about it, and > poeple might want > to lynch me, but I made my own track times for bernau. there > was no cue > sheet, the file was one big wav, and the track times given > point to the > middle of songs! I broke up the track times more appropriately for my > redbook copies, and > > Ther eis also an error on the Bilbao disk 2: there is a gap > of about 1/2 > second of silence at the end o track 2 AND the beginning of > track 3. I > removed the silence, and also corrected one gap in the crowd > noise inside > track 3 by mixing in some crowd noise over the gap. looks > (sounds) like > that one slipped through the editing cracks, so to speak. I > wasted 7 or 8 > CDRs trying to figure out what I was doing wrong to get those > gaps between > the tracks! I (incorrectly) assumed that the SHN files were > ready to burn > right away. But since most of the other disks were single track, or > already broken into tracks, it wasn't an issue on any others, except: > > BERNAU TRACK TIMES > > Honestly, I was being completely stupid and forgot that the > track times were > listed on the artwork. The SHN extracts to one big wav file > instead of > individual tracks so I thought it was up to me to either burn > as one huge > track, or more sensibly, create my own track times. So I > broke the disk up > into tracks, based upon my listening to the music, and where > I thought the > music made major breaks into new themes or interludes. It > wasn't until > after I had already burnt off most of my Redbooks that I > remembered about > the track times being on the artwork. But when I compared, > the original > artwork track times didn't make sense to me. It seemed that > they were cut > in the middle of songs, but of course it's hard to define > sometimes when the > music is all stitched together. Comparing my track times to > the original > ones, they do match at certain points, like the end of track > 2 for example, > but others break at different points. > > So, I was going to include the original versions with my > versions, but I ran > out of blanks. I had already made some with my new (ahem, > 'correct') times, > and it would be no big deal to make another copy, but it was > Monday morning > (I pulled an allnighter burning Sunday night!) and I had to > leave, and I > didn't have time to make another batch right then, and I just > wanted to get > these to the post office asap. I had everything else all > done, so i just > went to the post office and sent them out as-is. Now, I > really am not fond > of the idea that there are two different versions of track > times floating > around, but I really like mine better, and it's too late. > And I guess you > could say there were already 2 versions, with the official > release out. > Maybe I'll revise the artwork to reflect my times if I ... > find the time. > So, in case anyone is upset by this, I apologize in advance. > > 7:14 > 4:41 > 2:20 > 1:17 > 7:57 > 12:17 > 7:10 > 1:34 > 3:02 > 15:21 > 8:36 > 0:44 > 1:11 > 5:11 > > Joe > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 3:53 PM > > To: Joe Shoults > > Subject: SHN discs > > > > > > I just got your SHN discs. > > > > Have you heard anything about some of the discs having > > indexing problems? > > > > -Morgan > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 3:46 am Subject: Joe's Inferno Re: [tadream] RE: SHN discs Well, don't worry; I've just uploaded [to our files folder] a revised version of the Inferno back cover for anyone interested, with Joe's times. just look for tree_volume03_bernau2001_back_joes_times.jpg . who now isn't sure which version to use :) or... I think I'll create a better track division ;) >Now, I really am not fond of the idea that there are two different versions of track times floating around, but I really like mine better, and it's too late. And I guess you could say there were already 2 versions, with the official release out. Maybe I'll revise the artwork to reflect my times if I ... find the time. So, in case anyone is upset by this, I apologize in advance. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 2:46 am Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: synths ... Yeah, I think the same way. One of my best pieces, Clouds (guess inspired by who), is almost 35 minutes long, in 16 voices - just because I forgot to configurate the polyphony parameters - and ummm, 4 timbres. One of them is only played in the final part, so it's almost a 12-voice track. 'Berlin school' in the blood. :) >The thing I always must laugh about (not only about samplers but >also synths) is the amount of voices...not 64, not 128 but 256 >voices. Common, who needs that? Some of the best music (in case >of TD) was/is one with only a few voices running. > >Marcel >http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels >mengels@w... Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 4:19 am Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: SHN discs you know, at first I thought, 'Damn - wish I had seen that post with the track times.' I had even gone to the TDI website to see if it had the track names for my submission to the gracenote database, but on second thought I'm glad we didn't use the TDI track times. More in the spirit of a fan disk, IMO, than a knock-off of the official version. Speaking of gracenote, anyone want to offer up track names for any of the disks? I'll submit them to gracenote (nee cddb) so the disk info comes up automatically in a compliant player like Winamp. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Herbert i'd posted the track timings of the official inferno cd some days ago: 1. Before The Closing Of the day 4:50 2. The spirit of Virgil 2:39 3. Minotaurae hunt at dawn 3:24 From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 4:27 am Subject: RE: Joe's Inferno Re: [tadream] RE: SHN discs I've copied it over to the tadream site so you don't have to be logged into yahoogourps to access it: http://www.tadream.net/tree/treeimages/bernau2001_back.jpg link added to artwork page in tree info. thanks, Gustavo! Joe -----Original Message----- From: Gustavo Jobim Well, don't worry; I've just uploaded [to our files folder] a revised version of the Inferno back cover for anyone interested, with Joe's times. just look for tree_volume03_bernau2001_back_joes_times.jpg . From: 'Eric Williamson' Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 6:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT skip and XK and Z1 arpeggiator liondream spoke: >Skip function is very important. >FWIW, reading the xk manual, looks like the new arpeggiator does have a skip function. unfortunately it appears to be buried under 18 menus. not very useful. also, they nested it into the 'pitch offset' variable ... which makes it relatively _unplayable_ in a chris-franke-style context. very nice of you to point that out, though. thanks. Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 6:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Inferno CD - first impressions > can you tell us who is singing what parts? i don't have the CD with me in the office (right now I'm listening to Newcastle 25 October 1981 :-) but I think it was Track No. 15 (La grey de los almas perdidas) which was sung by Iris Kulterer. All other vocals are by Janey Klimek. Heiko From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 7:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] SBE > Weren't you standing up downstairs anyway? If so that was probably why it was easier to record with lots of people moving about. No, I was sitting in the balcony section. The person who recorded the show is a 'pro', he also taped many shows in the 70s like Croydon '75 (the tree version), London '75, Brighton '76, London '78 etc etc. He was hiding the MD recorder in his heavy brown leather jacket. I felt sorry for him since it was so extremly warm that day ;-) Heiko From: Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 7:15 am Subject: ElektroBeats 27.03.2002 Hi Guys, sorry, no NEWS about the concert in June 15. 2002 in Berlin. Yesterday in the Radio eins ElektroBeats Radio Show, the Moderator Olaf Zimmermann says only this about the concert: 'this was an track from the forthcoming album Inferno that they will be performed live in Berlin 15.06.2002 at the Museumsinsel' No more. I hope that TD will be performend the second part of the La Divinna Commedia. Regards heiko - Mr. Optical www.opticaldream.de (update: 25.03.2002) www.tribute-to-ashra.de (with online CD shop) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33042 Coaster Jeffrey Au Yeung Thu 3/28/2002 2 KB 33045 Re: Coaster Dan Downey Thu 3/28/2002 3 KB 33046 Re: Coaster sean_w_montgomery Thu 3/28/2002 2 KB 33044 Re: TD Museumsinsel / tree-response TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Thu 3/28/2002 3 KB 33047 Re: TD Museumsinsel / tree-response sean_w_montgomery Thu 3/28/2002 3 KB 33048 Re: TD Museumsinsel / tree-response Gustavo Jobim Thu 3/28/2002 2 KB 33054 Re: TD Museumsinsel / tree-response Paul Fellows Thu 3/28/2002 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 7:23 am Subject: RE: [tadream] track names >Speaking of gracenote, anyone want to offer up track names for any of the >disks? I'll submit them to gracenote (nee cddb) so the disk info comes up >automatically in a compliant player like Winamp. > >Joe Well, Croydon part 2 _definetly_ is the same as Ricochet Part 2. Also. One day when listening to Vol.1, I was thinking if it should get a name. I came up with 'Radian March Parts 1, 2 & 3'. I mean, it really is like a march, especially the first set sounds pretty military in the middle. And 'radian'? Well, this was known as Me-Rad for a long time, but I don't get what that means.. so I unacronymed the Rad and removed the Me. (For the mathematically challenged: one radian equals 180/pi degrees) Vol. 5 should be pretty easy to add track names to (if you split it up). Some combination of the unofficial and official names for Vol. 8 could also be nice.. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 7:40 am Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: synths ... >Yeah, I think the same way. One of my best pieces, Clouds (guess inspired >by who), is almost 35 minutes long, in 16 voices - just because I forgot to >configurate the polyphony parameters - and ummm, 4 timbres. One of them is >only played in the final part, so it's almost a 12-voice track. 'Berlin >school' in the blood. :) > > >The thing I always must laugh about (not only about samplers but > >also synths) is the amount of voices...not 64, not 128 but 256 > >voices. Common, who needs that? Some of the best music (in case > >of TD) was/is one with only a few voices running. I've sometimes noticed quite the opposite. Take Cherokee Lane for example. It's easy to think it as just a sequencer pulse + 2-3 main voices. Then, one day, I listened to that on double pitch. And wow; I spotted half a dozen sublevels more! Like, when the Mellotron-flute section begins, there's a very slow & deep bass pulse underneath... It's actually quite diverse. Another very good example: White Eagle. I count almost 20 voices being used. That's still far from 256, but does anyone really use all those in just 1 track, even though a long one perhaps? And if you refer to general usage of voices in one's music - TD did all the time develop new voices, right? They did not stick with these few old ones; so saying you were influenced by them when not using much voices is oxymoronic to me. --end amateur comment-- John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33050 Re: OT: synths ... Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 3/28/2002 4 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 7:43 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Alien Seagull >Is there a complete list of there of all of the >appearances of Chris's 'Alien Seagull?' It would be >nice to see its evolution so to speak. > >Wade Well, that's what my megalomanic plan of 'Themes Database' would also cover... To start this process however, I think I'll need some dozen bootlegs more & lots of free time. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: Jeffrey Au Yeung Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 9:58 am Subject: Coaster Hola Not jokingly I think this really is quite nice: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=854458117 Rgds Jeffrey _______________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com.hk address at http://mail.english.yahoo.com.hk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33045 Re: Coaster Dan Downey Thu 3/28/2002 3 KB 33046 Re: Coaster sean_w_montgomery Thu 3/28/2002 2 KB From: 'Eberly, Daniel (DE)' Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 1:34 pm Subject: Romplers ? >Regarding romplers... if you have a computer and want to put most of your investment towards say a Z1, you can still get >something like Sampletank or (better and cheaper IMO) Sonic Reality. That way you can have the best of both worlds. > >The advantage of something like sampletank over a hardware rompler (at this point in time) is the huge waveshapes that are >possible on the computer. > >IMO, the software side is not to be overlooked as a very viable source of sound generators. Question: What is a 'rompler' ?? --Dan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33057 Re: Romplers ? Synthhtnys@a... Thu 3/28/2002 2 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 1:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Museumsinsel / tree-response > >No more. >I hope that TD will be performend the second part of the La Divinna Commedia. > Hi guys, I just thought I´d set the record straight before speculations arise... the shows on June 15th (Berlin- Museumsinsel) and Aug. 23/24 (Burg Nideggen) will be Inferno part 1, i.e. they will be in a similar vein to the Bernau-show. Burg Nideggen will feature an enhanced line-up, though. Btw. Edgar has listened and seen the tree box. He was rather impressed with the sound and the shows selected and also liked the artwork very much. More to follow on this... ;-) So, big-time congratulations to Heiko and all who collaborated in compiling and mastering the discs and the same to Maff and Gustavo! ...oh yes... and a happy Easter to you all! Best, Martin Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33047 Re: TD Museumsinsel / tree-response sean_w_montgomery Thu 3/28/2002 3 KB 33048 Re: TD Museumsinsel / tree-response Gustavo Jobim Thu 3/28/2002 2 KB 33054 Re: TD Museumsinsel / tree-response Paul Fellows Thu 3/28/2002 2 KB From: Dan Downey Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 2:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Coaster Hah, I should get this to go along with my triangular TD bottle opener I picked up at one of their shows. It was too odd to pass up. Maybe I can equip a full wet bar with TD props, I could use my old vinyl for placemats. My coolest bit of TD gear is an umbrella from the Le Parc CD with their logo on it. I got that at the same show as the bottle opener. It's a good way to encounter TD fans. DanD Jeffrey Au Yeung wrote: Hola Not jokingly I think this really is quite nice: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=854458117 Rgds Jeffrey _______________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com.hk address at http://mail.english.yahoo.com.hk ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Are you on the tree yet? Go to http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ DanD - aka DJAmbient www.dtbits.com --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'sean_w_montgomery' Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 3:19 pm Subject: Re: Coaster --- In tadream@y..., Jeffrey Au Yeung wrote: > > Not jokingly I think this really is quite nice: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=854458117 I've been using my copies of 'Ambient Monkeys' and 'Zoning' as coasters for years...heh heh. ;-) -Sean (coming out of hiding, sort of) From: 'sean_w_montgomery' Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 3:48 pm Subject: Re: TD Museumsinsel / tree-response --- In tadream@y..., TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > Btw. Edgar has listened and seen the tree box. He was rather impressed with > the sound and the shows selected and also liked the artwork very much. More > to follow on this... ;-) Oh Martin, you wicked boy. Making such innuendo-laden statements in here is like tossing hunks of meat in a pirhana tank. ;-) Incidentally, I haven't had time to listen to the whole set yet, but as others has said, the Nottingham show really is a highlight...particularly Part Two, which is like an extended medley of material from Ricochet and Sorcerer, but played live with six hands. I find a lot of 70s TD gets bogged down in rather boring extended noodling...this one rises above that. Other shows I've listened to, like Croydon and Bilbao, suggest that TD's best musical moments did did their way onto official releases, even though it's interesting to hear them as originally performed live. I wrote some gushing prose about Inferno a few weeks ago, when I'd only heard about half of it. Now that I've heard the whole thing a few times, I'm not quite so gushing...but I still think it's the best thing TD's done since DM1. 'La Grey de los almas perditas' and the last three minutes of 'As the Sun Moves Closer to Heaven' are definite highlights. If TD could get songs like these put on the soundtrack of a Hollywood film, I could see them moving a lot of copies of this record. -Sean From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 5:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Museumsinsel / tree-response >So, big-time congratulations to Heiko and all who collaborated in compiling >and mastering the discs and the same to Maff and Gustavo! That was so very very nice to know... you forgot mentioning Marko! He's done a great job too. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 5:07 pm Subject: synths Hi, I just wanted to give a contribution to the [very nice] discussion... I'm still very new into this, so I don't know much (or I know zero) about this and that synth, this or that company, but I've got a roland xp-30 synth (dad and grandma gave me) one year and some months ago, and I think it's a fantastic synth for its price (some 1400-1500 US dollars or something, back then). It comes already with some 1400 timbres, 3 expansion boards on-board, and of course, you can create your own timbres (I've barely began doing this), with a good user memory size, and there are 4 sliders, and one very nice arpeggiator (I just HAD to have a synth with arpeggiator! :) anyway, better go to the roland page and see its specs. I'm very happy with it. You can do some very nice sounds right from the box. ah, one down side of the xp-30: menus, menus, menus. I took some time to get used to the many wolf-3D-like 'rooms' it has. and I'm still discovering stuff. Ok, I don't explore it as much as I should, but I have this terrible lack of time. but I think the quality of the sounds and the many possibilities of the xp-30 make up for this negative point. i want a sampler. and a drum machine. (or maybe not.) just my 2 cents. (who is going to buy a vintage synth expansion board for the xp-30 some day in May... hmmm! :) np: madrigal meridian (I actually do like cyclone; maybe it's even in a possible top ten list...) I find it nice how this music ends, then there's another bit of music, then another bit of music before it finally finishes. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 5:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: synths ... John You comments where dead on for me. I have been taking apart many of TD stuff and putting it back together. I find layer on layer on tracks. If you listen to one layer without the rest, something is missing. Like taking the cow bell off Blue Oyster's Cult's 'Don't Fear the Reaper'. It is that obvious sometimes. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' To: Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 11:40 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: synths ... > >Yeah, I think the same way. One of my best pieces, Clouds (guess inspired > >by who), is almost 35 minutes long, in 16 voices - just because I forgot to > >configurate the polyphony parameters - and ummm, 4 timbres. One of them is > >only played in the final part, so it's almost a 12-voice track. 'Berlin > >school' in the blood. :) > > > > >The thing I always must laugh about (not only about samplers but > > >also synths) is the amount of voices...not 64, not 128 but 256 > > >voices. Common, who needs that? Some of the best music (in case > > >of TD) was/is one with only a few voices running. > > > I've sometimes noticed quite the opposite. Take Cherokee Lane for example. > It's easy to think it as just a sequencer pulse + 2-3 main voices. Then, one > day, I listened to that on double pitch. And wow; I spotted half a dozen > sublevels more! Like, when the Mellotron-flute section begins, there's a > very slow & deep bass pulse underneath... It's actually quite diverse. > Another very good example: White Eagle. I count almost 20 voices being used. > > That's still far from 256, but does anyone really use all those in just 1 > track, even though a long one perhaps? > And if you refer to general usage of voices in one's music - TD did all the > time develop new voices, right? They did not stick with these few old ones; > so saying you were influenced by them when not using much voices is > oxymoronic to me. > > --end amateur comment-- > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 5:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] synths I believe after all the response, my line of action is to buy the Yamaha A5000 and not the xv-5080. Guitar Center has it on sale for under $1000 which is half the Roland synth I started out looking at as well as the Korg Trition unit. I just feel the sampler is the way to go to do what I want for the moment. Those synths will be waiting for me if I still find the need. The only way I have now to sample with a PC. There lies the rub with the soundcards I have now. I will have to alter it to a much better one, the delta was pointed out which most likely would be the solution. However, the sampler software did not work well with the OS I would use and the fact, that is one too many PC's to be gigging with. A hardware sampler would be more suitable in this case. Hey, any out there, correct me if you think I am heading down the wrong primrose path. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gustavo Jobim' To: Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 9:07 AM Subject: [tadream] synths > Hi, I just wanted to give a contribution to the [very nice] discussion... I'm still very new into this, so I don't know much (or I know zero) about this and that synth, this or that company, but I've got a roland xp-30 synth (dad and grandma gave me) one year and some months ago, and I think it's a fantastic synth for its price (some 1400-1500 US dollars or something, back then). > > It comes already with some 1400 timbres, 3 expansion boards on-board, and of course, you can create your own timbres (I've barely began doing this), with a good user memory size, and there are 4 sliders, and one very nice arpeggiator (I just HAD to have a synth with arpeggiator! :) anyway, better go to the roland page and see its specs. I'm very happy with it. You can do some very nice sounds right from the box. > > ah, one down side of the xp-30: menus, menus, menus. I took some time to get used to the many wolf-3D-like 'rooms' it has. and I'm still discovering stuff. Ok, I don't explore it as much as I should, but I have this terrible lack of time. but I think the quality of the sounds and the many possibilities of the xp-30 make up for this negative point. > i want a sampler. > and a drum machine. (or maybe not.) > just my 2 cents. > > > (who is going to buy a vintage synth expansion board for the xp-30 some day in May... hmmm! :) > np: madrigal meridian (I actually do like cyclone; maybe it's even in a possible top ten list...) I find it nice how this music ends, then there's another bit of music, then another bit of music before it finally finishes. > > Gustavo Jobim > gustavojobim@n... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Paul Fellows Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 6:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep (Orange records) No doubt in my mind, I've listened to them all (the last 4 tracks) and they are from Hollywood Years 2, Antique Dreams, Tangents and Logos respectively, in other words any serious collector already has these tracks, they're all from official releases... Paul > Hi all, > > I still can't believe that this record isn't available at every > street corner. It's a pressed CD, not a CDR. > > I've put a little info onto my homepage, inc MP3's of the four > extra tracks. Please help in identifying their original source, > any feedback is welcome. > > http://www.caby.de/Music > > cheers, > klaus From: 'fozziebear' Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 7:04 pm Subject: Burg Nideggen What is this Burg Nideggen? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33055 Re: Burg Nideggen heiko@o... Thu 3/28/2002 2 KB 33188 Re: Burg Nideggen Armin Theissen Thu 4/4/2002 3 KB 33195 Re: Burg Nideggen Michael A Jean Thu 4/4/2002 4 KB 33190 Re: Burg Nideggen Heiko Heerssen Thu 4/4/2002 2 KB 33191 Re: Burg Nideggen Peter Ravn Thu 4/4/2002 2 KB 33198 Re: Burg Nideggen Armin Theissen Thu 4/4/2002 5 KB 35697 Burg Nideggen heineu Sun 8/25/2002 2 KB From: Paul Fellows Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 7:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Museumsinsel / tree-response That warms the heart and makes it all worth while :-) > > Btw. Edgar has listened and seen the tree box. He was rather impressed with > the sound and the shows selected and also liked the artwork very much. More > to follow on this... ;-) > So, big-time congratulations to Heiko and all who collaborated in compiling > and mastering the discs and the same to Maff and Gustavo! > > ...oh yes... and a happy Easter to you all! > > Best, > > Martin > > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > www.tdimusic.com > > Have a nice day! From: Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 7:32 pm Subject: RE: Burg Nideggen Hi Guys, here some information about Burg Nideggen: Burg Nideggen is located between Aachen and Bonn , Kreis Düren. and links: http://www.nordeifel.de/nideggen/burgen-romantik.html http://www.burg-nideggen.de/ http://www.eifelfuehrer.de/N/Nideggen.html http://www.eifelfuehrer.de/Karten/UebersichtskarteA.html Regards heiko - Mr. Optical BTW: I find it very unfortunate that TD will play / performed again the first part in Berlin and on Burg Nideggen . Edgar and Jerome please performed the the second and the third part!!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Rainer Rutka Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 8:51 pm Subject: 17 TDI CDs for only 9.99 Euros / 8 $ - each!!! Hi! Yes - it's me! I'm alive (again). I post this to the list, because I think it might be interesting to some of you. The mail-order-house JPC is selling most of the TDI productions of the last 10 years for only 9.99 Euro / each CD. To my big surprise I found a very well made special page in their April/2002 monthly magazine with a special about TDI and their releases. 17 single and one double CD including some descriptions for every CD. Very nice! This very acceptable price is valid until the end of April. You might get: Seven Letters from Tibet, Atlantic Bridges, Atlatic Walls, Dream Encores, Great Wall Of China, Valentine Wheels, What A Blast, Hollywood Years 1 and 2, Tyranny Of Beauty, Tournado, Oasis, Canyon Dreams, Turn of the Tides, 220 Volt Live, Rockoon, Mars Polaris (Y E S !!!), Transsiberia for 9.99 Euro/each. Thats approx. 8 US $. And: Tang-Go (2CDs) for 12.99 Euro. The JPC homepage is: www.jpc.de They are selling to foreign countries, too. Pick it up - it`s cheap and good chance to fill some gaps in your collection. Rainer PS: I`m _not_ working for JPC! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.rutka.de/td - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 36717 The Tangerine Dream Band 1969 (no joke). UNDERGROUND film pictures a Rainer Rutka rainerrutka Thu 10/17/2002 3 KB 36718 Test-ignore Rainer Rutka rainerrutka Fri 10/18/2002 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 9:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Romplers ? In a message dated 3/28/2002 7:37:36 AM Central Standard Time, eberlyde@d... writes: > Question: What is a 'rompler' ?? > > --Dan > A synth that uses samples to playback only... in other words you can't sample with it, but there are preset samples in it. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'syensen' Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 9:42 pm Subject: Re: TDI The Keep How much???? Waaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!! I'm going to sulk now ... Steve, Keep-less since December 2000 ... --- In tadream@y..., Armin Theissen wrote: > > 405 bucks????? Damnit, I should have bought more when > I got mine... > > a. > > > > > > > Michael A Jean wrote: > > > > > > I thought Kees was selling one on Ebay this week... > > > > Yes, but the auction is closed now. US $405.00 wow! > > > > Antonio > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 > SUN Microsystems Ireland > > 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' > - Woody Allen From: 'horrod6' Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 10:04 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream live at SBE A unique occasion. TD play a one-off concert in the UK (first time they'd played here for about 4 years), and it was my other half's birthday (I'm not saying which, but it was a significant multiple of 10.). The tickets were, of course, my birthday present to him. I didn't even have to twist his arm to make him say that they were what he wanted! It was great meeting up with people from the list beforehand - only the second time I got to put any names to faces, the first being at the Okefenokee, just a couple of weeks previously. And no, you still can't have my orange-logo'd TD t-shirt! LnH Marion From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 10:32 pm Subject: The Keep (Orange records) > No doubt in my mind, I've listened to them all (the last 4 tracks) and they > are from Hollywood Years 2, Antique Dreams, Tangents and Logos respectively, > in other words any serious collector already has these tracks, they're all > from official releases... Thanks, Paul, and, sure, you're right, that's why I called it a 'pirate', and not a 'bootleg'. I'm not trying to endorse this thing, I'm just wondering why someone went through the trouble of getting a real CD pressed (and a very nice cover printed) and then it's not on the merket everywhere. Anyway, if you see it anywhere for a decent price, it's a nice alternative to CDR copies off the TDI 'Keep', if you're only after the music. cheers, klaus From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 10:40 pm Subject: Re: TD Museumsinsel / tree-response > Btw. Edgar has listened and seen the tree box. He was rather impressed with > the sound and the shows selected and also liked the artwork very much. More > to follow on this... ;-) > So, big-time congratulations to Heiko and all who collaborated in compiling > and mastering the discs and the same to Maff and Gustavo! Thanks to let us know, Martin, and there's more good work in the pipeline ;-) Just to re-iterate a personal dream: Nottingham 76 has always been one of my favourite TD concerts, and the third track (recorded partially with failing batteries, resurrected as good as possible for the tree release) is the one I really hope for to ever get released from a complete tape. If TDI needs a cover to release this into the next tree, I'll be happy to volounteer as the straw man ;-) Happy Easter klaus From: Vince LeGrand Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 11:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Converting the shn edition ----- Original Message ----- From: 'michael_berling' To: Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 7:49 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Converting the shn edition > Regarding the SHN files of Tangerine Tree that I have created: With > the exception of Bernau, each track on the redbook CDs corresponds to > a single SHN file. The SHN files are titled tadreamYYYY-MM-DDdDtTT > with YYYY-MM-DD being the date of the concert, D the Redbook disc > number and TT the Redbook track number. Thus, the Nottingham concert > has the following SHN files: > > tadream1976-11-08d1t01.shn > tadream1976-11-08d1t02.shn > tadream1976-11-08d1t03.shn > Sorry if this has already been covered. I have received the SHN discs and I need to burn Redbook CD's for my leaves. When burning the redbook CD's should I use disk-at-once or have a gap inserted? Vince From: 'tei waz' Date: Thu Mar 28, 2002 11:56 pm Subject: re: Tour Descriptions >>also other than it missing the soundtrack show they did 15 november >>1986--the music in the movies mill valley film festival benefit..... From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 7:09 pm Subject: Tour Descriptions >It's hard to write a detailed discography when no known bootleg exists.< true enough, but the concert date is known (I was there--still have what's left of the ticket) and I don't see it listed on zebby as a one-off or otherwise. I could have my friends and I write a collective review of our fading memories--mebbe one of us still has the program, too....so many musicians played that night.... --T _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 12:17 am Subject: time for a tree status refresh! I know that some of the following names HAVE received their disks, and you might have even already told me that you have. But I need to update the database, so please if your name is shown below and you have your tree disks, please drop me a line at: mailto:tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com?subject=got-my-disks or mailto:tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com?subject=I-already-told-you-I-got-my-dis ks-you-doofus ;-) thanks, joe Raimo Mäkinen Adele Outland Al Benson Alex Tye Alvaro Pachecol Andrei Chtcherbatchenko Ardo van Rangelrooij Artur Stoncel baG Blue Fungus Brian aka meta_mythos Brian Stewart Brian Walenz CARLOS A. MARTINEZ Chad Vance Chris Towers Christian Villazón Colin Anderson - Australia Colin Anderson- UK Craig Chambers Craig Claerbaut Dale Kay Dan Downey Dan Eberly Daniel Felice Dave Dunham David Foster David R. Gilbert Deb H-J Dennis Nigbur Dmitriy V. Nikitin Doug Moon Electric Mike Emanue Salgado Vieira Neto Eric Williamson Frank Stephen Fred Reynolds Gabe Yedid Gary Dobinson Gary Jenkins Graham McConkey Greg Heil Gustavo Jobim James Owens Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Jeff Lester Jeff Misner Jeff Pearce Jeff Stevenson Jeffrey Au Yeung Jim Lawton Jim Moore John Burek John Christian John McIntyre jonathan ewald Jonathan Holt Karl W. Reinsch Ken Beal Kent Eskildsen Kevin Jowers Kevin Keller Kevin Robert Ball Kim Pedersen Kostas L.T. Darby Larry J Abballe Lee Thomas Millar Marc Dodsworth marc todd Mark Filipak Mark H. Martyn Capel Matthew Sawyer Michael Bonde Michael Fox Michael Surber Michael W. Daniels Michal Moroz Mikael Jussila Morgan Feldon Neal Frost Neil Faiman Neil Hudson Neil Perryman Olle Rundgren Oscar Dean Pal Szatmari Paul Ellis Paul Ridout Pete Isaacson 'PENFOLD' Phil White Piotr Nawrocki Piotr Sulkowski Radu Velicescu RAFAL PALUSZKIEWICZ René Brenner Richard F Richard Maggio Richard Stockwell Robert Bobowski Robert Grabowsky Robert Hanna Robert Kostecki ROBERT PITAK Rogelio Cavazos Jr. Roger Roger Smith scott charles Scott Plumer Siggi Lindhost Steve Collins Steve Jenkins Steven Feldman tei waz Thomas Bertilsson Thomas Beuthe Tim Rivers Tom George tom weibrecht Tomas Rydqvist Veine K Vikberg Vic Rek Vincent Goudreault Wade Gordon Wes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33067 Re: time for a tree status refresh! Synthhtnys@a... Fri 3/29/2002 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 12:25 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Converting the shn edition no gaps except for first track. Redbook standard requires the 2 second gap on the first track only, then no more. > -----Original Message----- > From: Vince LeGrand [mailto:vlegrand@c...] > need to burn Redbook CD's for my leaves. When burning the > redbook CD's > should I use disk-at-once or have a gap inserted? From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 12:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Converting the shn edition Vince LeGrand wrote: > > Sorry if this has already been covered. I have received the SHN discs and I > need to burn Redbook CD's for my leaves. When burning the redbook CD's > should I use disk-at-once or have a gap inserted? Disk-at-once. Antonio From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 2:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] time for a tree status refresh! In a message dated 3/28/02 3:59:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, jshoults@f... writes: << Paul Ellis >> *Nothing yet (sniff.) Poly From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 6:46 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D:ST [Sorcerer] >'Sorcerer' was composed in April, 1975. -- Mark > >That would make sense why pieces would show up in > > the 1976 tour... > > > > - jim And even earlier; on a specific point in Ricochet II, somewhere around 5 mins I guess, the main theme 'daa-doh-daa dah-doh-duh daa-dih-daa-da-daa dee' has a variation which greatly sounds like The Call; something like 'daa-doo-daa doo daa-doo', while the Sorcerer version would be along my translitteration something like 'deeee-daaaa-deeee doooo daaaa-doooo'. Surprizingly similar... or not. (Did I manage to confuse you?) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33072 Re: D:ST [Sorcerer] Synthhtnys@a... Fri 3/29/2002 2 KB 33080 Re: D:ST [Sorcerer] Joe Shoults Fri 3/29/2002 3 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 3:16 am Subject: Questions: London 81 - '3-Tier Dream' disc 2 Howdy. I've identified some of the tracks but can't indentify them all. Can anyone help? -- note that I don't have 'I-Box' or much 'Keep' stuff which may be hurting my effort. Track 1 (as one big wave file) 00:00 'Hijack' 10:17 'Sobornost' 19:11 (unknown) 21:51 (unknown) 27:08 (unknown) 34:04 'Bondy Parade' Track 2 (as one big wave file) 00:54 'Calymba Caly Part 2' 07:00 'Calymba Caly Part 3' 13:55 'Force Majeure Part 7' 15:55 'Force Majeure Part 8' 17:35 'Logos Part 6' (Times are from '3-Tier Dream' disc 2 and proposed indexing is open to much quibbling with this type of material.) What are the three '(unknown)' tracks above? I imagine that the person named 'zebby' is on this list. This page: http://www.zebbyworld.demon.co.uk/81uk.html is incorrect/incomplete regarding at least this London show as follows: - 'Logos (1)' is 'Hijack' -- this is a quibble - '8102' is 'Calymba Caly' - 'Remote Viewing' is not found preceeding 'Force Majeure' - '8008' is 'Logos Part 6' Granted: Preceeding 'FM' is an atmospheric bit that sounds like the atmospheric bit at the beginning of 'RV', but the main 'RV' theme is not there, and I don't think you can call it 'RV' just because of atmospherics (IMO). To me, it's just a bridge. All help is appreciated as I'm currently reindexing '3TD' disc 2 and would like to get it right. Quibbles will be happily entertained. Ciao, and Thanks. -- Mark -- See my Music Trade Pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/ Last updated on: 16 March 2002 From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 5:58 am Subject: Three Tier Dream Disc 2 >From: Mark Filipak >Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 9:16 pm >Subject: Questions: London 81 - '3-Tier Dream' disc 2 > >Howdy. I've identified some of the tracks but can't indentify them all. Can >anyone help? -- note that I don't have 'I-Box' or much 'Keep' stuff which may >be hurting my effort. Didn't we already cover this? :) -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33071 Re: Three Tier Dream Disc 2 Mark Filipak Fri 3/29/2002 3 KB 33082 Re: Three Tier Dream Disc 2 Joe Shoults Fri 3/29/2002 2 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 6:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Three Tier Dream Disc 2 Yes, we did. My original post (from Tuesday) just popped into my in box again today (Friday, wee AM) dated Monday. Yahoogroups must be having a 'senor' moment. -- Mark Morgan Feldon wrote: > > >From: Mark Filipak > >Date: Mon Mar 25, 2002 9:16 pm > >Subject: Questions: London 81 - '3-Tier Dream' disc 2 > > > >Howdy. I've identified some of the tracks but can't indentify them all. Can > >anyone help? -- note that I don't have 'I-Box' or much 'Keep' stuff which may > >be hurting my effort. > > Didn't we already cover this? :) > > -Morgan > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- See my Music Trade Pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/ Last updated on: 16 March 2002 From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 6:15 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D:ST [Sorcerer] In a message dated 3/28/02 9:33:44 PM Pacific Standard Time, johnvertical@h... writes: << (Did I manage to confuse you?) John Vertical >> *Da doo doo doo da daa daa daa is all I want to say to you. Poly From: 'albenson' Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 6:17 am Subject: RE: RE: SHN discs Joe (our fearless Tadream leader) wrote: > [...] ...Speaking of gracenote, anyone want to offer up track > names for any of the disks? I'll submit them to gracenote > (nee cddb) so the disk info comes up automatically in a > compliant player like Winamp. > > Joe _____________________________________________ Joe -- There is no TD diehard *doubt* about it... ************************************ Venue and date: Nottingham. UK (Albert Hall), on November 08, 1976. Composition #1: 'Scale Deluxe!' I've been using that *one* for years... ;-) Composition #2: 'Sorcerer Supreme!' Alternative title: 'Take this guitar out of that madman's hands--please!' OK -- so I'm joking about the alternative title... ;-) ************************************ Venue and date: Berlin, Germany (Philharmonic Hall), June 27, 1976. (Note: my T-tree contribution with the help of a few good TD diehard friends ~Thanks Spect! & John!~): Composition: 'Birth of a Black Hole.' The Tadream Tree Masters (~Heiko's~) very own choice and used in 'Parallel Dreams (Volume 1). I *second* that diehard title and choice as well. You *keep* up the good work... You're doing a great job! :-) Best Always, Your TD pal, -- Al Berkeley, CA / USA My TD personal homepage: http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html PS: Don't forget to put the Tadream-Tree 'SHN masters' under your bed at night... ;-) ************************************ A ~Steven Wright~ joke: 'Got a blank tape... Played it on my stereo system. My neighbor complained. So, I turned it up full blast...' :^) NP: You all know the bottom line... Just about_anything_so long as it's ~TANGERINE DREAM~ [Pound for pound -- TD ~live~ in 1976 is simply unbeatable!] _________________________________________________ From: 'albenson' Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 6:31 am Subject: RE: RE: SHN discs The super quick TD diehard follow-up... The *Thanks* continues: And, of course *THANKS* to Jerzy (3N), who labored with true diehard love over remastering the show(s) (I hear it's simply fabulous!), and to absolutely everyone else connected with the present Tadream tree! Best Always, -- Al (Berkeley, CA / USA) http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html ************************************ NP: 'Scale Deluxe!' // Comp #1, Berlin, Germany (27.06.76). From: 'albenson' Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 8:46 am Subject: RE: RE: SHN discs So much for true precision on quick TD diehard follow-ups... ~ROFL~ Let's try: NP: 'Scale Deluxe!' // Comp #1, Nottingham, UK (08.11.76). or conversely: NP: 'Birth of a Black Hole!' // Comp, Berlin, Germany (27.06.76). OK -- now I can go back into TD deep lurk zone mode... ;-) Best Always, -- Al (Berkeley, CA / USA) http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html *********************************** PS: I wrote: > NP: 'Scale Deluxe!' > // Comp #1, Berlin, Germany (27.06.76). Sheesh! :-) PPS: Happy Easter everyone! __________________________________ From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 7:17 am Subject: nifty german rock info site http://tmachine.chat.ru/germ/progrtop.htm From: Mark Filipak Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 10:45 am Subject: Yahoogroups spam for everyone Hello. Yahoogroups has signed everyone up for spam. If you don't want any, go to your account, log in, and then in the center of your Yahoo ID Card, click 'Edit your marketing preferences'. On the next screen, under 'Special Offers & Marketing Communications', click all the 'Enroll Me' radio buttons to 'No'. At the bottom of the page you will find 'Other Delivery', for which you can also choose 'No'. Ciao -- Mark -- See my Music Trade Pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/ Last updated on: 16 March 2002 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33079 Re: Yahoogroups spam for everyone Synthhtnys@a... Fri 3/29/2002 2 KB 33081 Re: Yahoogroups spam for everyone Joe Shoults Fri 3/29/2002 2 KB 33098 Re: Yahoogroups spam for everyone Winston Edmond Fri 3/29/2002 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Mar 26, 2002 7:02 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Themes >Same themes not appearing in the 80 and 90s? >It's exactly the same themes reappearing in the 80s/90s till >now. :-) (I'm not counting the bridges) >Can you imagine that they only improvised/made different music >live from 1970 till 1978... I meant, same themes in different pieces. --From another message-- >About same themes - there is another repeating whispering sound >which is the same on Ricochet(pt 1) and Mojave Plan. >Does it also appear in other pieces or have a special title? > >AoV Poland, White Eagle, Song of the Whale part 1... Though the latter two don't sound exactly the same, they've a more female voice. >P.S. My MP3 player is broken now...16 hours without TD every day... >a torture... I had to pretty much get used to the same after my headphones broke. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 12:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Yahoogroups spam for everyone In a message dated 3/29/2002 4:46:50 AM Central Standard Time, filipak@e... writes: > At the bottom of the page you will find 'Other Delivery', for which you can > also choose 'No'. > > Ciao -- Mark > *Major thank you's Mark, I loathe spam. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 2:32 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] D:ST [Sorcerer] no, but now I've got the Police's 'Deedododo-deedadada' going through my head. > -----Original Message----- > From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...] > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 1:47 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] D:ST [Sorcerer] > > > >'Sorcerer' was composed in April, 1975. -- Mark > > > >That would make sense why pieces would show up in > > > the 1976 tour... > > > > > > - jim > > > And even earlier; on a specific point in Ricochet II, > somewhere around 5 > mins I guess, the main theme 'daa-doh-daa dah-doh-duh > daa-dih-daa-da-daa > dee' has a variation which greatly sounds like The Call; > something like > 'daa-doo-daa doo daa-doo', while the Sorcerer version would > be along my > translitteration something like 'deeee-daaaa-deeee doooo > daaaa-doooo'. > Surprizingly similar... or not. > > (Did I manage to confuse you?) > > John Vertical > From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 2:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Yahoogroups spam for everyone I loathe yahoogroups subjecting you all to it. Remember that short conversation about alternate mailing list venues? I'm heating that one up again. I think we will be able to do actually use '@tadream.net'. I'm checking right now. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...] > > *Major thank you's Mark, I loathe spam. > Poly From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 2:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Three Tier Dream Disc 2 a message I sent on the 26th just came through this morning. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Filipak [mailto:filipak@e...] My original post (from Tuesday) just popped into > my in box again today (Friday, wee AM) dated Monday. > Yahoogroups must be having a 'senor' moment. -- Mark > > Morgan Feldon wrote: From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 2:36 pm Subject: OT: bonnaroo Wow. Look at the list of bands playing. http://www.bonnaroo.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'michael_berling' Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 2:20 pm Subject: Strange Poland release Hi, I'm just collecting the data for the next update of 'Voices In The Net', and I've got an information from a Norwegian collector about a quite strange double cd release of 'Poland'. Here the details: The CDs look like the regular Jive re-release 'Extracts from Poland', but it says CDHIP22 instead of CHIP22. The track listings as printed on the CD: Poland and Tangent for CD1, and Barbakane and Horizon on CD2. The jewel case is the old type 2 CD version, not the new ones where you fold out the CD-holder. The 4 page booklet is quite the same as the Jive re-release, with pages 2 and 3 blank, page 4 mentioning the order number CDHIP22 instead of CHIP 22, and the track listing featuring the four tracks Poland, Tangent, Barbakane and Horizon (without running times). The 'real' track listing is as follows: CD 1, track 1: Poland (22:36) CD 1, track 2: Tangent (19:59, including the 'Rare Bird' part) CD 1, track 3: Rare Bird (4:05, unmentioned in booklet and on disc body) CD 2, track 1: Barbakane (13:55) CD 2, track 2: Horizon (21:10). The running time for CD 1 is 46:40 The running time for CD 2 is 35:05 Thus there are two strange things about it: First, 'Rare Bird' is included twice on CD 1 (one time as part of 'Tangent', and one time as a single track, but unmentioned in the track listings). Second, 'Barbakane' is only the shortened version of the track like on all single cd releases of 'Poland', though there would have been enough room on the disc to include the full length track (as on the Relativity 2 CD release). Because of these strange facts I doubt that it is an official release of 'Poland'. Has anyone information about this one or can tell that this is a official or a pirate version? ---- Another one: I'm still missing the running times of TDJ Rome's 12' release 'Vermont Curry/Babe Soda'. Info is highly appreciated... :-) ----- Thanx in advance! Michael http://www.voices-in-the-net.de Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33093 Re: Strange Poland release Admin Fri 3/29/2002 4 KB From: 'michael_berling' Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 2:38 pm Subject: Re: SHN discs - Joe's personal Inferno Hi Joe and others, > I think I remember someone saying something about it, and poeple might want > to lynch me, but I made my own track times for bernau. there was no cue > sheet, the file was one big wav, and the track times given point to the > middle of songs! I broke up the track times more appropriately for my > redbook copies > BERNAU TRACK TIMES > > Honestly, I was being completely stupid and forgot that the track times were > listed on the artwork. The SHN extracts to one big wav file instead of > individual tracks so I thought it was up to me to either burn as one huge > track, or more sensibly, create my own track times. So I broke the disk up > into tracks, based upon my listening to the music, and where I thought the > music made major breaks into new themes or interludes. It wasn't until > after I had already burnt off most of my Redbooks that I remembered about > the track times being on the artwork. But when I compared, the original > artwork track times didn't make sense to me. It seemed that they were cut > in the middle of songs, but of course it's hard to define sometimes when the > music is all stitched together. Comparing my track times to the original > ones, they do match at certain points, like the end of track 2 for example, > but others break at different points. sorry, if you had some trouble with the Bernau SHN version. Fact is, when I created the SHN for this disc I was just worried about gaps inbetween that concert, as I used Exact Audio Copy and mkw Audio Compression for the very first time and had neither time nor empty discs to spare for too much try and error, as I wanted to set off the SHN tree at one weekend, after I had got this job in last minute (I had originally planned to be a leaf due to massive lack of time). By now I know that this was an unneccessary fear... Another aspect was that I (like Joe) was quite unsure whether the running times of the tracks made much sense anyway, as the official Inferno was not out at that time, thus no one could really decide of how many tracks it would consist and what time the tracks would have. Thus I thought it would be the best to keep Inferno in one single file, that could be split accordingly to 'official' information later. I just was not aware at that time that recipents of the SHN discs had to burn Red Audio for their sub-branches and leaves so they got in trouble... There should have been no problems with the other discs, as they were split in SHN files trackwise. Regards Michael From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 3:33 pm Subject: OT: name the tadream mailing list ok, if I move the mailing list to the domain 'tadream.net', what should we name the address? I mean, 'xxxxx'@tadream.net' will be the new address for mailing list posts. (BTW, we will still have a presence at yahoogroups, and you will still be able to access functions there, but the mail will be on the tadream.net domain ) Joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33088 Re: OT: name the tadream mailing list Gustavo Jobim Fri 3/29/2002 2 KB 33089 Re: OT: name the tadream mailing list Joe Shoults Fri 3/29/2002 2 KB 33090 Re: OT: name the tadream mailing list Antonio Nunes Fri 3/29/2002 2 KB 33091 Re: OT: name the tadream mailing list craig.chambers@m... Fri 3/29/2002 3 KB 33095 Re: OT: name the tadream mailing list Herbert Fri 3/29/2002 4 KB 33096 Re: OT: name the tadream mailing list tei waz Fri 3/29/2002 2 KB 33097 Re: OT: name the tadream mailing list Miguel Farah F. Fri 3/29/2002 2 KB 33099 Re: OT: name the tadream mailing list Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Fri 3/29/2002 2 KB 33123 Re: OT: name the tadream mailing list Michael A Jean Sat 3/30/2002 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 3:38 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: SHN discs - Joe's personal Inferno really not a problem, Michael; you did excellent work! thank you. (only one small silence at the end of track 2 and beginning of track 3 on Vol6 D2 SHN edition) joe > -----Original Message----- > From: michael_berling > sorry, if you had some trouble with the Bernau SHN version. Fact is, From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 4:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list >ok, if I move the mailing list to the domain 'tadream.net', what should we >name the address? list@t... looks fine to me... Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 4:52 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list I was thinking something descriptive like 'discussion@t...' or something... not a big deal, but seeing if anyone came up with a better name. > -----Original Message----- > From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavojobim@n...] > >ok, if I move the mailing list to the domain 'tadream.net', > what should we > >name the address? > > list@t... looks fine to me... > From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 4:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list Joe Shoults wrote: > > I was thinking something descriptive like 'discussion@t...' or > something... not a big deal, but seeing if anyone came up with a better > name. forum@t... Antonio From: Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 5:33 pm Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list How about: richochet@t... canyonvoices@t... dominion@t... or, my pick: firetongues@t... Sort of like the famous Pink Floyd list called 'Echoes'...good idea Joe. Just my two cents. Craig On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:52:59 -0500 Joe Shoults wrote: I was thinking something descriptive like 'discussion@t...' or something... not a big deal, but seeing if anyone came up with a better name. > -----Original Message----- > From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavojobim@n...] > >ok, if I move the mailing list to the domain 'tadream.net', > what should we > >name the address? > > list@t... looks fine to me... > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Are you on the tree yet? Go to http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33095 Re: OT: name the tadream mailing list Herbert Fri 3/29/2002 4 KB From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 5:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Chris' Eagle Mark Filipak [25/03/2002 06:52] dijo/said: >[...] >Hey Marko! Are sea gulls honorary eagles in Finland? (I can see the Finish coat of arms now... a sea gull holding a dead fish in one 'talon' and a Nokia phone in the other.) ROTFL! -- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... #include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel <*> 'Maybe you should stick to deathmatch Minesweeper.' - A.J., _User Friendly_, 20/03/2000 From: 'Admin' Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 6:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Strange Poland release I would be interested in getting a copy of this one. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'michael_berling' To: Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 6:20 AM Subject: [tadream] Strange Poland release > Hi, > > I'm just collecting the data for the next update of 'Voices In The > Net', and I've got an information from a Norwegian collector about a > quite strange double cd release of 'Poland'. > > Here the details: > > The CDs look like the regular Jive re-release 'Extracts from Poland', > but it says CDHIP22 instead of CHIP22. The track listings as printed > on the CD: Poland and Tangent for CD1, and Barbakane and Horizon on > CD2. > > The jewel case is the old type 2 CD version, not the new ones where > you fold out the CD-holder. > > The 4 page booklet is quite the same as the Jive re-release, with > pages 2 and 3 blank, page 4 mentioning the order number CDHIP22 > instead of CHIP 22, and the track listing featuring the four tracks > Poland, Tangent, Barbakane and Horizon (without running times). > > The 'real' track listing is as follows: > > CD 1, track 1: Poland (22:36) > CD 1, track 2: Tangent (19:59, including the 'Rare Bird' part) > CD 1, track 3: Rare Bird (4:05, unmentioned in booklet and on disc > body) > > CD 2, track 1: Barbakane (13:55) > CD 2, track 2: Horizon (21:10). > > The running time for CD 1 is 46:40 > The running time for CD 2 is 35:05 > > Thus there are two strange things about it: First, 'Rare Bird' is > included twice on CD 1 (one time as part of 'Tangent', and one time > as a single track, but unmentioned in the track listings). > Second, 'Barbakane' is only the shortened version of the track like > on all single cd releases of 'Poland', though there would have been > enough room on the disc to include the full length track (as on the > Relativity 2 CD release). > > Because of these strange facts I doubt that it is an official release > of 'Poland'. Has anyone information about this one or can tell that > this is a official or a pirate version? > > ---- > > Another one: I'm still missing the running times of TDJ Rome's 12' > release 'Vermont Curry/Babe Soda'. Info is highly appreciated... :-) > > ----- > > Thanx in advance! > Michael > > http://www.voices-in-the-net.de > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 6:36 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] cddb submissions > Nottingham. UK (Albert Hall), on November 08, 1976. > Composition #1: 'Scale Deluxe!' > Composition #2: 'Sorcerer Supreme!' OK, but there are three tracks on that disk. how about a title for #3? > Berlin, Germany (Philharmonic Hall), June 27, 1976. > (Note: my T-tree contribution with the help of a few > good TD diehard friends ~Thanks Spect! & John!~): > > Composition: 'Birth of a Black Hole.' done! It takes a while before the cddb listings prpagate. From: 'Herbert' Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 6:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list now about an other one: td-community@t... Herbert > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: craig.chambers@m... > [mailto:craig.chambers@m...] > Gesendet: Freitag, 29. Marz 2002 18:34 > An: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: Re: RE: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list > > > How about: > > richochet@t... > canyonvoices@t... > dominion@t... > > or, my pick: > > firetongues@t... > > Sort of like the famous Pink Floyd list called > 'Echoes'...good idea Joe. > > Just my two cents. > Craig > > > On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:52:59 -0500 Joe Shoults > wrote: > > I was thinking something descriptive like 'discussion@t...' or > something... not a big deal, but seeing if anyone came up > with a better > name. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavojobim@n...] > > >ok, if I move the mailing list to the domain 'tadream.net', > > what should we > > >name the address? > > > > list@t... looks fine to me... > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 6:42 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list RE: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list kickassband@ bestbandintheworld@ simplythebest@ um or a random generator name@..... --T _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From: 'Miguel Farah F.' Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 7:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list Joe Shoults [29/03/2002 11:30] dijo/said: >ok, if I move the mailing list to the domain 'tadream.net', what should we >name the address? > >I mean, 'xxxxx'@tadream.net' will be the new address for mailing list posts. > >(BTW, we will still have a presence at yahoogroups, and you will still be >able to access functions there, but the mail will be on the tadream.net >domain ) I vote for tadream@t... . -- MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... #include // http://www.nn.cl/~miguel <*> 'Maybe you should stick to deathmatch Minesweeper.' - A.J., _User Friendly_, 20/03/2000 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33099 Re: OT: name the tadream mailing list Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Fri 3/29/2002 2 KB 33123 Re: OT: name the tadream mailing list Michael A Jean Sat 3/30/2002 2 KB From: Winston Edmond Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 7:45 pm Subject: Re: Yahoogroups spam for everyone Thanks for the alert, Mark. I signed up using 'subscribe-tadream-digest' back in the onelist era, before Yahoo took it over. Do I even *have* a Yahoo ID or account? It says if I've 'forgotten' my password and ID, just fill in my birth date, Zip Code, and country, all of which I'm quite sure I've never given them. :-) The 'find ID using my email address' won't work without giving them that info, either. I don't suppose there's any chance that means I'm not on their spam list? :-/ -WBE From: 'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz' Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 8:00 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list > > I vote for tadream@t... . > > -- > MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... Yes! It's a good idea! Or maybe the shorter version td@t... could be? cheers Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:Jerry@t... Visit my website at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 8:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list network23@t... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 8:42 pm Subject: Poland 2CD From: 'michael_berling' Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 8:20 am Subject: Strange Poland release Hi, I'm just collecting the data for the next update of 'Voices In The Net', and I've got an information from a Norwegian collector about a quite strange double cd release of 'Poland'. Here the details: The CDs look like the regular Jive re-release 'Extracts from Poland', but it says CDHIP22 instead of CHIP22. The track listings as printed on the CD: Poland and Tangent for CD1, and Barbakane and Horizon on CD2. The jewel case is the old type 2 CD version, not the new ones where you fold out the CD-holder. The 4 page booklet is quite the same as the Jive re-release, with pages 2 and 3 blank, page 4 mentioning the order number CDHIP22 instead of CHIP 22, and the track listing featuring the four tracks Poland, Tangent, Barbakane and Horizon (without running times). The 'real' track listing is as follows: CD 1, track 1: Poland (22:36) CD 1, track 2: Tangent (19:59, including the 'Rare Bird' part) CD 1, track 3: Rare Bird (4:05, unmentioned in booklet and on disc body) CD 2, track 1: Barbakane (13:55) CD 2, track 2: Horizon (21:10). The running time for CD 1 is 46:40 The running time for CD 2 is 35:05 Thus there are two strange things about it: First, 'Rare Bird' is included twice on CD 1 (one time as part of 'Tangent', and one time as a single track, but unmentioned in the track listings). Second, 'Barbakane' is only the shortened version of the track like on all single cd releases of 'Poland', though there would have been enough room on the disc to include the full length track (as on the Relativity 2 CD release). Because of these strange facts I doubt that it is an official release of 'Poland'. Has anyone information about this one or can tell that this is a official or a pirate version? --------------------- I have to agree with you that it sounds like a pirate version. As you know, there are two official versions of the 2 CD Poland double-box. The same printing, artwork, etc. on the outside and inserts, but in one version, the silk-screened printing on the CDs is blue and has the following track times: CD 1, track 1: Poland (22:36) CD 1, track 2: Tangent (15:54) CD 1, track 3: Rare Bird (4:05, unmentioned in booklet and on disc body) CD 2, track 1: Barbakane (18:04) CD 2, track 2: Horizon (21:10). The second version, the silk-screened printing on the CDs is brown and has the following times: CD 1, track 1: Poland (22:36) CD 1, track 2: Tangent (19:54, including the 'Rare Bird' part) CD 2, track 1: Barbakane (18:04) CD 2, track 2: Horizon (21:10). And, to go a bit off-topic the version I use in my car: Track 1: Poland pt1 00:46-11:38 (10:52) *voice intro cut off Track 2: Poland pt2 11:39-15:51 (4:12) Track 3: Poland pt3 15:52-22:16 (5:24) *directly cross-fades into Tangent, no fade in-out Track 4: Tangent pt1 00:10-03:54 (3:44) Track 5: Tangent pt2 03:55-10:00 (6:05) Track 6: Tangent pt3 10:01-15:34 (5:33) *applause faded short Track 7: Barbakane pt1 00:05-09:16 (9:11) *5 secs of ambience removed Track 8: Warsaw in the Sun 09:17-14:14 (4:57) Track 9: Barbakane pt3 14:15-17:59 (3:44) *4 secs of ambience removed Track 10: Horizon pt1 00:00-04:48 (4:48) Track 11: Horizon pt2 04:49-14:06 (9:17) Track 12: Horizon pt3 14:07-20:58 (6:51) *10 secs of applause removed Track 13: Rarebird (from end of Tangent) 16:00-19:52 (3:52) Giving me a grand total of 78:30, which fits perfectly on an 80 minute CD!! -Morgan From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 8:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list How about Spamosfear@t... ;-) Poly From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 9:09 pm Subject: Forum? >From: Antonio Nunes >Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 10:44 am >Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list > >Joe Shoults wrote: > > > > I was thinking something descriptive like 'discussion @ tadream.net' or > > something... not a big deal, but seeing if anyone came up with a better > > name. > >forum @ tadream.net > >Antonio Actually, I know a forum was tried before, but I still think the idea of having a Tangerine Dream forum is plausible. The reason why I prefer a forum over a mailing list is that you can have 20 conversations going on, and each conversation is self-contained in its own page. We can talk til the cows come home about The Keep or SHNs and you don't have to read about it if you don't want. You can just read the topics that you want to read about. I'm sure there are quite a few people who are skipping past all the electronic music equipment/keyboard talk lately, hoping for word about the Inferno release. And I'm sure there are people who are deleting the Inferno messages, hoping to see more about which keyboards and gear people are using!! A forum would let people go somewhat off-topic without distracting from some other topic. I think people are afraid to post something because they feel it will be too off-topic or unimportant. I know when I think of how many e-mails are generated by the list, I don't always reply to the topics I might otherwise reply to because I know every message sent has to be downloaded and read, even if people aren't interested in that topic. There have been a couple attempts to set up forums concurrent to this list. Both times, the mentality was 'well, if anyone decides to use it, then that's great, otherwise I'll take it down.' Kind of defeatist and doomed for failure if you ask me. Right now, on this list, we have a LOT of incidences where 'I can't get ahold of so-and-so, can he/she please e-mail me off list?' A forum would get rid of this because we could leave private messages to each other or e-mail people directly and they can update their whole profile themselves. Each person could keep a list of their favorite albums, a picture of themselves, etc. Each person could have their trade lists, etc. Whenever I talk to people about why they left the list, the answer is always that there is a lot of talk about topics they don't want to read about, or they feel they can't discuss what they want to because of certain policies/rules. A forum would fix this because we could have a Coffee House (As I do on my forum (700 members, 3,000 posts in the last year)) for general, polite discussion, and then a 'Tangerine Dream Addicts' section which would be a bit more free-form and less restrictive. For organizing special events, private forums could be set up with just those people involved able to access that particular forum. Right now, I read the tadream list on the website instead of thru e-mail. I guess it's because I'm so used to following a discussion board using a web browser. If a forum was set up by Joe, with the same kind of community as the current list, but with individual topics you can follow and reply to, how many people would be interested in moving there? I know I'd go in a heartbeat, but this is a very chicken-and-egg situation. Unless a lot of discussion is going on there and a lot of us are registered there, nobody will go there. So what would have to happen for a forum to really happen, is either a move with a grace period, or some kind of constant encouragement for people who participate over on the forum, constant pointers and links to ongoing discussions on the forum, etc. A simple interface could be set up for people to start registering for the new forum now, and if there is enough demand, then the forum would be set up and those people would be ready to participate right away. I'm not trying to steal anyone's thunder, and if it turns out that everyone is happy with having the list go into their mailbox, then what can I say? I'll go with what the group wants. I'm looking at what many of the Tangerine Dream community here have said and thinking of what seems like the best solution. If you'd like to discuss this, or anything else Tangerine Dream, I have spoken to the operator (AirWave) of the #tadream chatroom and we're going to have a web chat this weekend (Friday and Saturday) and next weekend. The webchat is at http://www.feldoncentral.com/tadream/ -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33104 Forum? Morgan Feldon Fri 3/29/2002 2 KB 33110 Re: Forum? Gustavo Jobim Sat 3/30/2002 2 KB 33109 Re: Forum? Gustavo Jobim Sat 3/30/2002 2 KB 33128 Re: Forum? Dan Downey Sat 3/30/2002 3 KB 33131 Re: Forum? John Vertical Sat 3/30/2002 3 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 9:33 pm Subject: Forum? Regarding the forum, if there are quite a few people in Europe with e-mail-only Internet accounts, there is a solution. The forum can have an E-mail Gateway, which would send each new posted message to the mailing list and then out to all the members who choose to subscribe this way. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33110 Re: Forum? Gustavo Jobim Sat 3/30/2002 2 KB From: John McIntyre Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 9:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list Considering how often we stray from the topic, perhaps tangents@t...? (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... From: PENFOLD Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 10:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list At 02.03.29-10:33, Joe Shoults wrote: >I mean, 'xxxxx'@tadream.net' will be the new address for mailing list posts. my €0.02 td@t... Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸DJ DreamHead,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤ mailto:penfold@a... http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html Yahoo Chat: penfold235 AIM: PENFOLD235 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the $$.....Damn!!!!! 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven Feldman Watch the Coasters Grow at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 1:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland 2CD You mention you have this in your car. What is it about this album that it is found in cars? I too pop it in when I know I don't want to listen to the radio. In fact for several weeks straight I listen to it on my way to work (a 50 mile drive). Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: [tadream] Poland 2CD > From: 'michael_berling' > Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 8:20 am > Subject: Strange Poland release > > Hi, > > I'm just collecting the data for the next update of 'Voices In The > Net', and I've got an information from a Norwegian collector about a > quite strange double cd release of 'Poland'. > > Here the details: > > The CDs look like the regular Jive re-release 'Extracts from Poland', > but it says CDHIP22 instead of CHIP22. The track listings as printed > on the CD: Poland and Tangent for CD1, and Barbakane and Horizon on > CD2. > > The jewel case is the old type 2 CD version, not the new ones where > you fold out the CD-holder. > > The 4 page booklet is quite the same as the Jive re-release, with > pages 2 and 3 blank, page 4 mentioning the order number CDHIP22 > instead of CHIP 22, and the track listing featuring the four tracks > Poland, Tangent, Barbakane and Horizon (without running times). > > The 'real' track listing is as follows: > > CD 1, track 1: Poland (22:36) > CD 1, track 2: Tangent (19:59, including the 'Rare Bird' part) > CD 1, track 3: Rare Bird (4:05, unmentioned in booklet and on disc > body) > > CD 2, track 1: Barbakane (13:55) > CD 2, track 2: Horizon (21:10). > > The running time for CD 1 is 46:40 > The running time for CD 2 is 35:05 > > Thus there are two strange things about it: First, 'Rare Bird' is > included twice on CD 1 (one time as part of 'Tangent', and one time > as a single track, but unmentioned in the track listings). > Second, 'Barbakane' is only the shortened version of the track like > on all single cd releases of 'Poland', though there would have been > enough room on the disc to include the full length track (as on the > Relativity 2 CD release). > > Because of these strange facts I doubt that it is an official release > of 'Poland'. Has anyone information about this one or can tell that > this is a official or a pirate version? > --------------------- > > > I have to agree with you that it sounds like a pirate version. > > As you know, there are two official versions of the 2 CD Poland double-box. > The same printing, artwork, etc. on the outside and inserts, but in one > version, the silk-screened printing on the CDs is blue and has the > following track times: > > CD 1, track 1: Poland (22:36) > CD 1, track 2: Tangent (15:54) > CD 1, track 3: Rare Bird (4:05, unmentioned in booklet and on disc > body) > > CD 2, track 1: Barbakane (18:04) > CD 2, track 2: Horizon (21:10). > > The second version, the silk-screened printing on the CDs is brown and has > the following times: > > CD 1, track 1: Poland (22:36) > CD 1, track 2: Tangent (19:54, including the 'Rare Bird' part) > > CD 2, track 1: Barbakane (18:04) > CD 2, track 2: Horizon (21:10). > > > > And, to go a bit off-topic the version I use in my car: > > Track 1: Poland pt1 00:46-11:38 (10:52) *voice intro cut off > Track 2: Poland pt2 11:39-15:51 (4:12) > Track 3: Poland pt3 15:52-22:16 (5:24) *directly cross-fades into Tangent, > no fade in-out > Track 4: Tangent pt1 00:10-03:54 (3:44) > Track 5: Tangent pt2 03:55-10:00 (6:05) > Track 6: Tangent pt3 10:01-15:34 (5:33) *applause faded short > Track 7: Barbakane pt1 00:05-09:16 (9:11) *5 secs of ambience removed > Track 8: Warsaw in the Sun 09:17-14:14 (4:57) > Track 9: Barbakane pt3 14:15-17:59 (3:44) *4 secs of ambience removed > Track 10: Horizon pt1 00:00-04:48 (4:48) > Track 11: Horizon pt2 04:49-14:06 (9:17) > Track 12: Horizon pt3 14:07-20:58 (6:51) *10 secs of applause removed > Track 13: Rarebird (from end of Tangent) 16:00-19:52 (3:52) > > Giving me a grand total of 78:30, which fits perfectly on an 80 minute CD!! > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33120 Re: Poland 2CD hyperboreauk Sat 3/30/2002 6 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 1:03 am Subject: D:[Studio] Tangram hello everyone, I was going to write something longer, but decided to make it short: isn't Tangram fantastic? what about that ping-ping-ping...pong! ?? I go crazy with that! such a masterpiece. I wonder if I'll ever make something as great as that. ;) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33124 Re: D:[Studio] Tangram John Vertical Sat 3/30/2002 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 1:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum? i hate webmail hatewebmailhatewebmail. I much prefer the mail messages. i usually like reading everything. maybe the only thing i'm not so interested in is discographic minutiae. but that doesn't bother me. i always enjoy the seasonal synth discussions. i hate webmail hatewebmailhatewebmail. ah, i also hate web-based chat. so damn slow. if at least I had a fast connection... i wouldn't be so bothered. i had to rewrite 'wouldn't' 5 times. I need vacations. sorry for this rather insignificant post. well, consider it just an opinion :) >(...) Right now, I read the tadream list on the website instead of thru e-mail. I guess it's because I'm so used to following a discussion board using a web browser.(...) Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 1:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum? well, then that's interesting. gives people more possibilities and freedom to choose which is the better way and change from one form to another as needed. >The forum can have an E-mail Gateway, which would send each new posted >message to the mailing list and then out to all the members who choose to >subscribe this way. >-Morgan Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Winston Edmond Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 1:51 am Subject: Re: name the tadream mailing list Joe asked: > ok, if I move the mailing list to the domain 'tadream.net', what should we > name the address? and later, Morgan Feldon asked about creating a TD forum. My reply is in a similar vein -- how many lists would people want? If just one, a really generic name like list@ or group@ would do. A more descriptive name like chat@, misc@, discuss@, talk@, fans@, and the like leave open the possibility of other lists, such as * announce@ solely for announcements of releases, tours, etc., * extd@ for discussions about former group members activities, albums, etc. All the standard arguments one sees when discussing splitting up a USENET group into subgroups (such as whether groups are orthogonal or inspire crossposting) will apply to creating extra mailing lists here, too. In addition, we could even consider whether to switch from using mailing lists as we do now to creating a moderated USENET group, e.g., alt.fan.tadream, which would allow people to use threading news readers, killfiles, scoring, and the like to sort what interests them from what doesn't. Just a thought, -WBE Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33112 Re: name the tadream mailing list atye@a... Sat 3/30/2002 2 KB 33114 Re: name the tadream mailing list Mark Filipak Sat 3/30/2002 2 KB 33122 Re: name the tadream mailing list Antonio Nunes Sat 3/30/2002 3 KB 33125 Re: name the tadream mailing list Jonathan Holt Sat 3/30/2002 2 KB 33126 Re: name the tadream mailing list atye@a... Sat 3/30/2002 2 KB 33137 Re: name the tadream mailing list Winston Edmond Sat 3/30/2002 2 KB 33140 Re: name the tadream mailing list Steve Yensen Sun 3/31/2002 3 KB 33147 Re: name the tadream mailing list gkopuy Mon 4/1/2002 3 KB 33141 name the tadream mailing list Klaus Beschorner Sun 3/31/2002 3 KB From: atye@a... Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 3:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: name the tadream mailing list I like the idea of a forum for just the reasons that Morgan mentioned. I haven't got a clue about any of the synth discussions going on, nor do I care one bit about it. That being said, I think that it's great that others do, and that we have interests in common. I think that a forum, with seperated topics, would work great. We could have a seperate topic for TD news, TD bootleg info, Synth info, Soundtracks, Tree info, and whatever the list members want. It would be a lot better IMO to just pull up a page and look at only the topic(s) that interest you instead of wading thru 40 e-mails a day. Mark me down for one vote for a forum. ;-) Alex (ATYE) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Mark Filipak Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 5:44 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list I'd like to suggest the following: fans@t... td-fans@t... fan-list@t... dreamers@t... td-jukies@t... td-addicts@t... get-yer-fix@t... dream-heads@t... td-obsession@t... Hey! at least I'm not pitching for something like TraumEpoche@t... (...as long as it isn't MarmaladeSkys@t...) 8^) Ciao -- Mark Joe Shoults wrote: > > ok, if I move the mailing list to the domain 'tadream.net', what should we > name the address? > > I mean, 'xxxxx'@tadream.net' will be the new address for mailing list posts. > > (BTW, we will still have a presence at yahoogroups, and you will still be > able to access functions there, but the mail will be on the tadream.net > domain ) > > Joe > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- See my Music Trade Pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/ Last updated on: 16 March 2002 From: Mark Filipak Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 5:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: name the tadream mailing list Winston Edmond wrote: > > ... In addition, we could even consider whether to switch from using > mailing lists as we do now to creating a moderated USENET group, e.g., > alt.fan.tadream ... That would work only if one's ISP subscribed to a news service that carried alt.fan.tadream. At least, I think so -- Mark -- See my Music Trade Pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/ Last updated on: 16 March 2002 From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 6:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland 2CD Hi Everyone! I actually did a similar (though less-elegant than Morgan's) copy for Poland on the go. I made a digital copy onto minidisc, cut out the extra silence between the tracks, and made it cut right out of the middle of the audience noise at the end of Polish Dance into the audience noise of the start of Rare Bird. I was actually able to fit every single bit of music onto an 80-minute minidisc, but it did cut out the last bit of audience noise at the very end of Horizon before it had a chance to fade out. And the splice between Polish Dance and Rare bird was actually quite seamless. I guess I timed it just right, as it sounds like they just jump right into Rare Bird without letting the audience calm down! :-) The only extra track break I added was for Rare Bird. Poland is my favorite TD live album, and it's definitely excellent for driving music! Dave B. (back to lurking, and waiting for Oke '02) From: Liondream@a... Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 7:07 am Subject: OT Alien Seagull Sorry Marcel, I think I missed that message! Anyway... of course it will be different on the Nord and I do realize that the Nord is not a Moog. Actually, I was thinking it might be possible to get it fairly close in Reaktor. I think Reaktor does a pretty good job of emulating the Moog filter. At any rate, the point for me wouldn't be to imitate the AS sound, but rather to emulate it. In other words, go for something similar, but make it my own. In a message dated 3/27/2002 4:41:12 PM Central Standard Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:47:18 +0100 > From: 'Marcel Engels' > Subject: RE: Chris Franke sounds > > > From: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...] > > > > I love the 'Alien Seagull' sound. > > > > Considering the timeframe of when it first appeared (and the > > sound of it) it very well probably was the Moog modular or > > something along that vein. That means it should be fairly easy to > > approximate in something like the Nord modular or some software synths. > > Hmm didn't I say that a week ago? > It comes from the Moog Modular. > If it is done on the Nord Modular it will be different > because the Nord modular is not a Moog modular. :-) > > Marcel > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Liondream@a... Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 7:07 am Subject: OT buried skip function - might make me skip the xk Dum dums, who designs these things? Well, that's one big strike for the xk. I'm being tentative about the whole thing anyway, based on past experience with Proteus keyboards (not modules). Forget the xk and the z1 (hey, isn't it actually called a z76?) I kind of like the idea of a Hobbit setup for live work... Notebook running Live using Oxy 8 to trigger sequence loops. Waldorf xtk K-Station The whole setup would fit in a backpack. I have a vision of sitting around the campfire playing electronic music. In a message dated 3/28/2002 1:08:55 PM Central Standard Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 00:24:19 -0600 > From: 'Eric Williamson' > Subject: Re: OT skip and XK and Z1 arpeggiator > > liondream spoke: > >Skip function is very important. > >FWIW, reading the xk manual, looks like the new arpeggiator does have a > skip > function. > > unfortunately it appears to be buried under 18 menus. not very useful. > > also, they nested it into the 'pitch offset' variable ... which makes it > relatively _unplayable_ in a chris-franke-style context. > > very nice of you to point that out, though. thanks. > > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Liondream@a... Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 7:07 am Subject: OT xp30 Gustavo, The xp30 is a nice synth. A LOT of sounds available for you to play with! The vintage synth card is very cool, has lots of Jupiter type sounds in it. I highly recommend it. Wes <<>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Liondream@a... Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 7:07 am Subject: Rompler definition Hey Dan, Oops. Just a generic term... A ROMpler is like a playback only sampler, e.g. the sound source is based on samples. Like a Korg M1, Roland JVs, Proteus, etc. Wes In a message dated 3/28/2002 1:08:55 PM Central Standard Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > >The advantage of something like sampletank over a hardware rompler (at this > point in time) is the huge waveshapes that are > >possible on the computer. > > > >IMO, the software side is not to be overlooked as a very viable source of > sound generators. > > > Question: What is a 'rompler' ?? > > --Dan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'hyperboreauk' Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 8:37 am Subject: Re: Poland 2CD --- In tadream@y..., 'Admin' wrote: > You mention you have this in your car. What is it about this album that it > is found in cars? I too pop it in when I know I don't want to listen to the > radio. In fact for several weeks straight I listen to it on my way to work > (a 50 mile drive). > > Hi there is something about this album that makes great driving music I had it on constantly in the car for about six months drove the Wife mad lol Gary > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Morgan Feldon' > To: > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 12:42 PM > Subject: [tadream] Poland 2CD > > > > From: 'michael_berling' > > Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 8:20 am > > Subject: Strange Poland release > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm just collecting the data for the next update of 'Voices In The > > Net', and I've got an information from a Norwegian collector about a > > quite strange double cd release of 'Poland'. > > > > Here the details: > > > > The CDs look like the regular Jive re-release 'Extracts from Poland', > > but it says CDHIP22 instead of CHIP22. The track listings as printed > > on the CD: Poland and Tangent for CD1, and Barbakane and Horizon on > > CD2. > > > > The jewel case is the old type 2 CD version, not the new ones where > > you fold out the CD-holder. > > > > The 4 page booklet is quite the same as the Jive re-release, with > > pages 2 and 3 blank, page 4 mentioning the order number CDHIP22 > > instead of CHIP 22, and the track listing featuring the four tracks > > Poland, Tangent, Barbakane and Horizon (without running times). > > > > The 'real' track listing is as follows: > > > > CD 1, track 1: Poland (22:36) > > CD 1, track 2: Tangent (19:59, including the 'Rare Bird' part) > > CD 1, track 3: Rare Bird (4:05, unmentioned in booklet and on disc > > body) > > > > CD 2, track 1: Barbakane (13:55) > > CD 2, track 2: Horizon (21:10). > > > > The running time for CD 1 is 46:40 > > The running time for CD 2 is 35:05 > > > > Thus there are two strange things about it: First, 'Rare Bird' is > > included twice on CD 1 (one time as part of 'Tangent', and one time > > as a single track, but unmentioned in the track listings). > > Second, 'Barbakane' is only the shortened version of the track like > > on all single cd releases of 'Poland', though there would have been > > enough room on the disc to include the full length track (as on the > > Relativity 2 CD release). > > > > Because of these strange facts I doubt that it is an official release > > of 'Poland'. Has anyone information about this one or can tell that > > this is a official or a pirate version? > > --------------------- > > > > > > I have to agree with you that it sounds like a pirate version. > > > > As you know, there are two official versions of the 2 CD Poland > double-box. > > The same printing, artwork, etc. on the outside and inserts, but in one > > version, the silk-screened printing on the CDs is blue and has the > > following track times: > > > > CD 1, track 1: Poland (22:36) > > CD 1, track 2: Tangent (15:54) > > CD 1, track 3: Rare Bird (4:05, unmentioned in booklet and on disc > > body) > > > > CD 2, track 1: Barbakane (18:04) > > CD 2, track 2: Horizon (21:10). > > > > The second version, the silk-screened printing on the CDs is brown and has > > the following times: > > > > CD 1, track 1: Poland (22:36) > > CD 1, track 2: Tangent (19:54, including the 'Rare Bird' part) > > > > CD 2, track 1: Barbakane (18:04) > > CD 2, track 2: Horizon (21:10). > > > > > > > > And, to go a bit off-topic the version I use in my car: > > > > Track 1: Poland pt1 00:46-11:38 (10:52) *voice intro cut off > > Track 2: Poland pt2 11:39-15:51 (4:12) > > Track 3: Poland pt3 15:52-22:16 (5:24) *directly cross-fades into Tangent, > > no fade in-out > > Track 4: Tangent pt1 00:10-03:54 (3:44) > > Track 5: Tangent pt2 03:55-10:00 (6:05) > > Track 6: Tangent pt3 10:01-15:34 (5:33) *applause faded short > > Track 7: Barbakane pt1 00:05-09:16 (9:11) *5 secs of ambience removed > > Track 8: Warsaw in the Sun 09:17-14:14 (4:57) > > Track 9: Barbakane pt3 14:15-17:59 (3:44) *4 secs of ambience removed > > Track 10: Horizon pt1 00:00-04:48 (4:48) > > Track 11: Horizon pt2 04:49-14:06 (9:17) > > Track 12: Horizon pt3 14:07-20:58 (6:51) *10 secs of applause removed > > Track 13: Rarebird (from end of Tangent) 16:00-19:52 (3:52) > > > > Giving me a grand total of 78:30, which fits perfectly on an 80 minute > CD!! > > > > -Morgan > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 9:05 am Subject: The Estensial Poland CD (Required for Driving) From the post on the 2 cd Poland, it appears we have found a mystery in life concerning this Concert CD. The liner said it almost never was. The problems making the disk are explained in such detail that is makes me shiver to think about it. So what makes it such a album that you have to play it in your car while driving? I have to confess, I find myself at speeds above the limit on certain passages. Have we found a sequence of sounds that suits driving, due to the creative genius of TD? Is this subliminal, backward masking with the words drive.. drive.. drive..or ? I do know which album tends to make me go slow and not want to drive. It too is a TD album and I have not found the right mood to enjoy it. I shall not mention it's name due to the fear it might open up a thread again. There are certain tracks on Dream Tails II that I found are great for driving too. I am serious considering assembling a collection like this to keep in the Car. Dale From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 12:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: name the tadream mailing list Winston Edmond wrote: > > My reply is in a similar vein -- how many lists would people want? > If just one, a really generic name like list@ or group@ would do. A > more descriptive name like chat@, misc@, discuss@, talk@, fans@, and the > like leave open the possibility of other lists, such as > * announce@ solely for announcements of releases, tours, etc., > * extd@ for discussions about former group members activities, albums, etc. Personally I think that there are enough TD lists already. There is 'ArtOfVisiion' for modern TD fans, but how many messages were posted in the last month? 8. There is 'GoblinsClub' for collectors, but how many messages in the last month? 3! There is 'tangerinedream' for discussion and trade of bootlegs, but how many messages about this topic? And I've found yet another 'Tangerine_Dream' list in yahoogroups, with 3 members!!! So, please no more TD lists!!! When I mentioned the word 'forum' I was just suggesting a name for the email address, not a different format for the list. Personally I hate web-based lists or forums or chats of whatever. I think this list is great as it is. > In addition, we could even consider whether to switch from using > mailing lists as we do now to creating a moderated USENET group, e.g., > alt.fan.tadream, which would allow people to use threading news readers, > killfiles, scoring, and the like to sort what interests them from what > doesn't. There is already alt.music.tangerine-dream which is not moderated but usually stays on-topic. But again I think there are not enough messages to justify yet another TD group. Antonio Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33125 Re: name the tadream mailing list Jonathan Holt Sat 3/30/2002 2 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 2:58 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list I'll second that.... > > I vote for tadream@t... . > > -- > MIGUEL FARAH // miguel@n... > From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 3:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] D:[Studio] Tangram >isn't Tangram fantastic? >what about that ping-ping-ping...pong! ?? I go crazy with that! >such a masterpiece. I wonder if I'll ever make something as great as that. Um. Yes, it is fantastic! Almost classical. Too bad it hasn't ever been played live..? (I mean, really live; not including the themes and sequences borrowed to Pergamon / Heritage Survival / Thief Yang & Tangram Seal / possibly others too) I however find some of the passages too short! It would've been easy to extend Set 1 with some 10 minutes more. Mostly in the first half - the flute-sequence section is cut too early, the following interlude could well be extended into an n-minute section, and finally, the piano part deserves to be at least twice as long... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From: Jonathan Holt Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 4:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: name the tadream mailing list I will second what Antonio says here. *goes back to skulking in the shadows* But again I think there are > not enough messages > to justify yet another TD group. > > Antonio > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From: atye@a... Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 4:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] name the tadream mailing list I don't think anyone has suggested running THIS list along with a new list..... to quote the original post from Joe.... 'ok, if I move the mailing list to the domain 'tadream.net', what should we name the address? I mean, 'xxxxx'@tadream.net' will be the new address for mailing list posts. (BTW, we will still have a presence at yahoogroups, and you will still be able to access functions there, but the mail will be on the tadream.net domain ) Joe' Key word being 'MOVE'.... This was in response to Yahoo!'s unauthorized spamming of the mailing list. All Joe was asking for was just a name, I added later that I liked Morgan's idea of a forum, but that has nothing to do with the original question either. Just hoping to clear it up a little.... Alex :-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Winston Edmond Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 4:40 pm Subject: multiple mailing lists or USENET newsgroup? [Note: the idea of a forum or >1 list assumes that not everyone want to read every message and that the number of messages is large enough that weeding out the ones you don't want takes enough time to matter. Having forums or >1 list creates specific, fixed categories and requires the sender to pick the right one(s). Alternatively, USENET relies more on giving *readers* the ability to score/sort/filter on whatever criteria they choose.] I previously wrote: >> ... In addition, we could even consider whether to switch from using >> mailing lists as we do now to creating a moderated USENET group, e.g., >> alt.fan.tadream ... Mark Filipak replied: > That would work only if one's ISP subscribed to a news service that > carried alt.fan.tadream. > > At least, I think so -- Mark Are you concerned about ISPs having USENET news at all, or about the difficulty of creating a new group and getting ISPs to carry it? The latter takes a bit of work (maybe a little more if we try for 'rec.music.artists.tadream' than for an alt.* group), but isn't that big a problem, as evidenced by the existence of over 30,000 news groups. :-) The former question, whether current subscribers would have access to alt.music.tadream, rec.music.artists.tadream (or whatever name we pick), can only be answered by people here speaking up if they know they wouldn't, or if they just plain don't like the idea and want to stick with a mailing list. (The idea of a moderated newsgroup can also be shot down if no one is willing to be the moderator.) Two other advantages of a USENET group over a mailing list are that (1) other fans might discover a newsgroup, whereas mailing lists are harder to find out about, and (2) Google would archive the articles and has a powerful search engine for finding something that's in its archives. Some disadvantages are (1) that Joe (if he's willing to be the moderator) would need different moderation software, (2) USENET article propagation takes longer than direct email delivery, and (3) that the group would never be completely spam-free because some USENET spammers forge moderation approval. (Such articles are generally auto-cancelled, but many sites don't obey cancels.) USENET spam doesn't take up any space in one's mailbox, though, and should be easy to ignore with any decent news reader. -WBE Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33178 Re: multiple mailing lists or USENET newsgroup? Adele Outland Wed 4/3/2002 3 KB From: Dan Downey Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 5:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum? Morgan Feldon wrote: >From: Antonio Nunes >Date: Fri Mar 29, 2002 10:44 am >Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: name the tadream mailing list > >Joe Shoults wrote: > > > > I was thinking something descriptive like 'discussion @ tadream.net' or > > something... not a big deal, but seeing if anyone came up with a better > > name. > >forum @ tadream.net > >Antonio Actually, I know a forum was tried before, but I still think the idea of having a Tangerine Dream forum is plausible. My 2 cents would be that I want the best of both worlds. Forums work great for finding info and following threads etc. but I also find that the passive nature also results in a lot of non-participations. The nice thing about the email is that it comes to you and you're more likely to get involved. I'm more of a lurker with the group than a participant since I usually don't have a lot to add to the discussions. I'm an avid TD listener going back to the 70s but I have to admit I don't have the kind of encyclopedic knowledge others possess but that's what make the group such a treasured resource for me. DanD - aka DJAmbient www.dtbits.com --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send greetings for Easter, Passover [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 5:09 pm Subject: Okefenokee Web Page Updated I've updated my page about the Ricochet Dreams event at Okefenokee in 2001 to include what data I have regarding the CD release. Please see: http://www.users.fast.net/~billfox/oke/oke2001.html Please let me know if you spot any errors that I should correct. Cheers, Bill From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 5:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland 2CD By the way - I have the single CD version of Poland, with the 14 minutes version of Barbakane; what am I missing? Poland is my favourite album. Can someone tell what are Barbakane Part 3 and the extra lenght of Horizon like? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 5:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Forum? >The reason why I prefer a forum over a mailing list is that you can have 20 >conversations going on, and each conversation is self-contained in its own >page. You can already do that; email messages have a subject line too - just delete all boring ones. >Right now, on this list, we have a LOT of incidences where 'I can't get >ahold of so-and-so, can he/she please e-mail me off list?' A forum would >get rid of this because we could leave private messages to each other or >e-mail people directly and they can update their whole profile themselves. >Each person could keep a list of their favorite albums, a picture of >themselves, etc. Each person could have their trade lists, etc. Three words: Yahoo IDs Homepages >Whenever I talk to people about why they left the list, the answer is >always that there is a lot of talk about topics they don't want to read >about, or they feel they can't discuss what they want to because of certain >policies/rules. > >A forum would fix this because we could have a Coffee House (As I do on my >forum (700 members, 3,000 posts in the last year)) for general, polite >discussion, and then a 'Tangerine Dream Addicts' section which would be a >bit more free-form and less restrictive. Like.. erm... someone already mentioned, there're already half a dozen almost unused TD specia-lists on Yahoo. >If a forum was set up by Joe, with the same kind of community as the >current list, but with individual topics you can follow and reply to, how >many people would be interested in moving there? I wouldn't. Basically I like the current situation so much because I can handle all my interests via Hotmail. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 5:33 pm Subject: First Appearences Of... A plain answer will do: 1) When did TD for the first time use a sequencer at a live show? 2) What exactly was Baumann's first appearence in TD? Oszillator concert, Ultima Thule, Zeit or something else..? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33138 Re: First Appearences Of... Mark Filipak Sun 3/31/2002 2 KB 33149 Re: First Appearences Of... Marcel Engels Mon 4/1/2002 2 KB 33139 Re: First Appearences Of... Mark Filipak Sun 3/31/2002 2 KB 33150 Re: First Appearences Of... Synthhtnys@a... Mon 4/1/2002 2 KB 33151 Re: First Appearences Of... Marcel Engels Mon 4/1/2002 2 KB 33152 Re: First Appearences Of... John Vertical Mon 4/1/2002 2 KB 33153 Re: First Appearences Of... John Vertical Mon 4/1/2002 3 KB 33154 Re: First Appearences Of... Synthhtnys@a... Mon 4/1/2002 2 KB 33155 Re: First Appearences Of... John Vertical Mon 4/1/2002 3 KB From: Carlos Martínez Salas Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 6:36 pm Subject: HEY, DALE! Hi, sorry for the intrusion, I'm looking for Dale (Administrator for kay-net.com) I've sent a bunch of emails to him, all of which have been rebounded; I NEED to make contact in order to jump in the td cd tree, please, Dale contact off list, see ya! > _____________________________ CARLOS A. MARTINEZ SALAS MONTERREY, MEXICO From: Kevin Keller Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 6:40 pm Subject: Planetarium Concert in Oakland 4.26.02 MUSIC UNDER THE STARS at CHABOT PLANETARIUM You and your family are invited to join the Kevin Keller Trio for this very special evening of classical space music and a live star show at Chabot Space & Science Center, Friday, April 26, at 8 PM. Tickets are selling fast, and advance tickets are strongly recommended. Buy tickets online through Ticketweb, or at the Chabot Box Office (510) 336-7373. Kevin Keller Trio (Tania Simoncelli/cello, Mark Fassett/bass, Kevin Keller/keyboards) Music Under the Stars Friday, April 26 at 8 PM (Doors open at 7:30 PM) Tickets: $15 General Admission, $12 Students/Members/ Seniors/ Children Ask Jeeves Planetarium Chabot Space & Science Center 10000 Skyline Drive, Oakland, CA (510) 336-7373 http://www.chabotspace.org Follow this link to buy tickets online http://www.ticketweb.com/user/?region=xxx&query=detail&event=308721 or visit http://www.kevinkeller.com/look.html FREE MUSIC at http://www.kevinkeller.com/listen.html 'Moonlake', the third single from Across the Sky is now available as a free download at the Listening Station. This deep, moving music features the trio 'sans electronics', as they conjure images of a placid lake under the full moon. Also playing is Part 3 of the title suite, featuring a stirring adaptation of Ravel's 'Ondine'. Please stop by and listen to our newest music at http://www.kevinkeller.com/listen.html FREE DESKTOP PATTERNS in the GALLERY Please stop by the Gallery at http://www.kevinkeller.com and download the new wallpaper, featuring album art and the Kevin Keller Trio logo. CD RELEASE CONCERT A GREAT SUCCESS We would like to thank everyone who came out to the Morrison Planetarium on Sunday, March 24, and helped to make it a very special evening. Here are some comments that we got from fans after the show: 'Very soothing - beautiful visuals' -George C. 'Fantastic!' -Tom F. 'Cosmic show - wonderful and enlightening!' -Dolores M. 'Out of this world!' -Ken M. We look forward to seeing everyone at the upcoming show at Chabot on April 26. Thank you for your support and encouragement. It means a lot to us. Kevin Keller Trio [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33135 Re: Planetarium Concert in Oakland 4.26.02 tei waz Sat 3/30/2002 2 KB 33136 Re: Planetarium Concert in Oakland 4.26.02 Kevin Keller Sat 3/30/2002 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 8:35 pm Subject: re: Planetarium Concert in Oakland 4.26.02 >Subject: Planetarium Concert in Oakland 4.26.02 >MUSIC UNDER THE STARS at CHABOT PLANETARIUM A cool place to see a show--saw Henry Kaiser david gans et al play space music under the stars there years back. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: Kevin Keller Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 8:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] re: Planetarium Concert in Oakland 4.26.02 tei waz wrote: > >Subject: Planetarium Concert in Oakland 4.26.02 > > >MUSIC UNDER THE STARS at CHABOT PLANETARIUM > > A cool place to see a show--saw Henry Kaiser david gans et al play space > music under the stars there years back. That must have been at the old planetarium. The new Chabot Planetarium just opened in August 2000, and they only just started doing concerts there. -- Kevin Keller Composer and Producer - Classical Space Music E-mail: kkproductions@e... **** Kevin Keller Trio Live at Chabot Planetarium, Oakland, CA Friday, April 26 at 8 PM Advance tickets now on sale at http://www.kevinkeller.com From: Winston Edmond Date: Sat Mar 30, 2002 11:01 pm Subject: Re: name the tadream mailing list Antonio Nunes replied: > There is already alt.music.tangerine-dream which is not moderated but > usually stays on-topic. Gee, lookie there... I have several ISPs and NONE of them had the group, which is why I didn't know it existed. Google knows about it, though. Time to prod my ISP's news admins to start carrying it. Thanks, Antonio! -WBE From: Mark Filipak Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 3:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] First Appearences Of... John Vertical wrote: > > A plain answer will do: > 1) When did TD for the first time use a sequencer at a live show? > 2) What exactly was Baumann's first appearence in TD? Oszillator concert, > Ultima Thule, Zeit or something else..? I'd like to know this too. I think it was Rhine-Westphalia Technical University, Aachen [19 Jun 71] but I'm not sure. Ciao -- Mark -- See my Music Trade Pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/ Last updated on: 16 March 2002 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33149 Re: First Appearences Of... Marcel Engels Mon 4/1/2002 2 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 3:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] First Appearences Of... Oh, sorry. My post was regarding John's second question. John Vertical wrote: > > 2) What exactly was Baumann's first appearence in TD? Oszillator concert, > Ultima Thule, Zeit or something else..? I'd like to know this too. I think it was Rhine-Westphalia Technical University, Aachen [19 Jun 71] but I'm not sure. Ciao -- Mark -- See my Music Trade Pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/ Last updated on: 16 March 2002 From: 'Steve Yensen' Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 11:00 am Subject: Re: name the tadream mailing list Joe, I may have misinterpreted your intentions here, but I would like this made as clear as possible! Could you tell me please exactly what you are intending to do? At the moment I'm receiving my emails from All 4 of the Yahoo Groups TD lists in digest mode. I've been doing this since I joined the original tadream list in 1997. I certainly don't want individual messages in my mailbox, nor do I want the discussions split up into separate 'forums'. Another thing I don't want is to go to a website to read messages. My ISP's performance is so pathetic that it becomes almost physically painful! I can't stand spam either but I don't understand the need to change. If all you are doing is moving the mailing list to a different host, then fine. If not, then I'm afraid I'll have to bow out. I'm only a lurker so I don't suppose I'll be taken seriously, but I do read every single email in the digest. If I feel I can contribute then I will certainly do so. Does anyone else feel the same way? Please speak up if you do! Cheers, Steve in Nottingham, England (and a TD fan since 1973) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33147 Re: name the tadream mailing list gkopuy Mon 4/1/2002 3 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 11:39 am Subject: name the tadream mailing list >There is 'tangerinedream' for discussion >and trade of bootlegs, but how many messages about this topic? And I've >found yet another 'Tangerine_Dream' list in yahoogroups, with 3 >members!!! So, please no more TD lists!!! Hi, I only partially agree with Antonio. The need for specific sub-lists comes and goes, but we MUST HAVE at least two: The 'official' list, where TDI can read and participate (not only an 'announce' group), and another one TDI can pretend does not exist ;-) Discussing the tree on the official list in such detail as giving access to all names and postal adresses turned out ok in the end, but could have gone fantasmagorially wrong, if you think about it... As for the technology, I admit I'm a luddite and prefer mailing lists in daily digest formats. Just from an accessibility point of view, a usenet newsgroup automatically copying it's messages to a mailing list, plus web based access should serve everybody. cheers, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33144 Re: name the tadream mailing list PENFOLD Sun 3/31/2002 3 KB From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 3:24 pm Subject: Ticket for the June 15 show Hi, Since the show on June 15 in Berlin is the Inferno show (performed for the third time) - will I sell my ticket. It is a ticket for best part of the sitting area. Price 47 Euro or 29 punds. If you want the ticket - Berlin is a exciting city ! - then maybe offer a CD or 2 ... instead of money Send the mail to pr@r... Peter Peter Ravn pr@r... & peter@r... From: 'horrod6' Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 5:45 pm Subject: Re: Forum Personally, I'm happy with the way things are now. I get the daily digest and skip over the topics I'm not interested in. Here in benighted Britain I'm paying for the time I spend connected to the net, so I only pick up my e-mail once or twice a day, so this is perfect for me. But, as ever, I'll go with the majority decision. LnH Marion Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 35355 Forum Morgan Feldon Sat 8/10/2002 4 KB 35356 Re: Forum Mark Filipak Sat 8/10/2002 2 KB 35363 Re: Forum Admin Sat 8/10/2002 2 KB 35364 Re: Forum Mark Filipak Sat 8/10/2002 4 KB 35365 Re: Forum vic rek Sat 8/10/2002 3 KB 35459 Re: Forum Michael Fox Mon 8/12/2002 2 KB 35366 Re: Forum Mark Filipak Sat 8/10/2002 2 KB 35368 Forum Morgan Feldon Sat 8/10/2002 3 KB 35372 Re: Forum Robert Grabowsky Sat 8/10/2002 2 KB From: PENFOLD Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 5:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] name the tadream mailing list At 02.03.31-13:39, Klaus Beschorner wrote: > >There is 'tangerinedream' for discussion and trade of bootlegs, but how > many messages about this topic? And I've found yet another > 'Tangerine_Dream' list in yahoogroups, with 3 members!!! So, please no > more TD lists!!! > >a usenet newsgroup automatically copying it's messages to a mailing >list, plus web based access should serve everybody. Personally, I avoid usenet like the plague. It's a little too open for access that virtually *everyone* and their grandmother can post to. And because of this there's this damned annoying thing called SPAM that gets in the way. Because usenet is so open, there's nothing to prevent Spammers from trolling the newsgroups for email addresss' to add to their databases. I'm already dealing with just over a MEGABYTE (on the average) of unsolicited email every *month* wasting my bandwidth, space on my hard drive, and time.....so much that the printing on my 'Delete' key is worn off! Just an FYI, I get ~1000 emails a week.....YMMV Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸DJ DreamHead,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤ mailto:penfold@a... http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html Yahoo Chat: penfold235 AIM: PENFOLD235 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the $$.....Damn!!!!! 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven Feldman Watch the Coasters Grow at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 8:00 pm Subject: Usenet I would strongly oppose this list going to Usenet. Too many people can't get the existing TD list from their news server (I know I can't) and it's very open to spam plus the e-mail address trolling problem. Even if everyone could get this group on Usenet, I'd prefer yahoo. As for my forum idea, there's no reason we can't support daily digests! Joe would run a listserv program (just like before on uwp) alongside the forum. The forum would send an e-mail to the listserv every time there is a new forum post, and then the listserv would generate either daily digests or individual e-mails depending on your preference. The only technical challenge is what to do with incoming messages. I'd rather they did not go into a slush pile! I guess if there were at least 2 active moderators, then we could keep the time it takes from getting an incoming message to the time it is posted under the right forum topic and then echoed back to the mailing list (so everyone who wants e-mails or daily digest e-mails gets it) down to a few hours. There might even be a way so if you reply to a topic by e-mail, if the topic of your e-mail EXACTLY matches the topic on the forum, then your message will be tucked underneath the appropriate topic. How frustrating would it be to click a link in your e-mail to reply to a topic? -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33148 Re: Usenet John Vertical Mon 4/1/2002 2 KB From: 'civance' Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 3:36 am Subject: Good news for Near Dark fans! - and a HUGE Thank You! I was poking around the Anchor Bay website the other day and found the following TD relevant info: Near Dark 16x9, DTS, Dolby EX, Commentary, Interviews, cc Near Dark - Limited Edition TBD This looks like its scheduled for between July and December of 2002. No specific date given. While I'm here since I rarely post anymore... I want to pass around a GREAT big --Thank You-- to Maff, ATye, Tom Richmond [for the DWT 2 tree], Heiko [you da man! keep up the great work with the Parallel Dreams series etc!], Al [for sharing those wonderful sources with Heiko!], Joe [for doing the TD Tree]. I hope I didn't forget anybody. If so, please insert your name here --> <--. hehe! May we have many future tree releases from great sources!! :o) Take care, Chad Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33174 Re: Good news for Near Dark fans! - and a HUGE Th albenson Tue 4/2/2002 4 KB From: 'gkopuy' Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 6:47 am Subject: Re: name the tadream mailing list --- In tadream@y..., 'Steve Yensen' wrote: > Joe, > > I may have misinterpreted your intentions here, but I would like this made > as clear as possible! > > Could you tell me please exactly what you are intending to do? At the > moment I'm receiving my emails from All 4 of the Yahoo Groups TD lists in > digest mode. I've been doing this since I joined the original tadream list > in 1997. > > I certainly don't want individual messages in my mailbox, nor do I want the > discussions split up into separate 'forums'. Another thing I don't want is > to go to a website to read messages. My ISP's performance is so pathetic > that it becomes almost physically painful! > > I can't stand spam either but I don't understand the need to change. If all > you are doing is moving the mailing list to a different host, then fine. If > not, then I'm afraid I'll have to bow out. > > I'm only a lurker so I don't suppose I'll be taken seriously, but I do read > every single email in the digest. If I feel I can contribute then I will > certainly do so. > > Does anyone else feel the same way? Please speak up if you do! > > Cheers, > Steve > in Nottingham, England > (and a TD fan since 1973) I fully agree with Steve. Regards, Roger From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 8:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Usenet >How frustrating would it be to click a link in your e-mail to reply to a >topic? Depends on one's activity, but that would destroy the whole purpose of getting the list by email... I'm glad that no-one wants the Usenet option, but perhaps we could set up a poll about this? 3 choices: 1) I want a forum 2) I don't want a forum 3) I don't care I'm not sure yet whether this should be made, what do you think? At least there has been loads of 'I'll go with the majority' -votes already... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 8:50 am Subject: RE: [tadream] First Appearences Of... > From: Mark Filipak [mailto:filipak@e...] > > I'd like to know this too. I think it was > > Rhine-Westphalia Technical University, Aachen [19 Jun 71] > > but I'm not sure. 71? I'm not sure either but TD didn't use Moogs back then. Could be another controller but I doubt it. First signs of a sequencer on a regular TD album is on Atem. (again not 100% sure) Marcel From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 8:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] First Appearences Of... In a message dated 4/1/2002 2:52:02 AM Central Standard Time, mengels@w... writes: > > Rhine-Westphalia Technical University, Aachen [19 Jun 71] > > > > but I'm not sure. > > 71? > I'm not sure either but TD didn't use Moogs back then. > Could be another controller but I doubt it. First signs > of a sequencer on a regular TD album is on Atem. (again > not 100% sure) > > Marcel > *Whoever wrote that came back to say that he meant 19 Jun 71 to be the first appearance of Baumann, not the first appearance of sequencers... (Which I think is a very interesting question and I don't think was answered, though I can't be sure as my mail has been erratic since the last yahoo blip.) Oh, by the way congratulations on what sounds like a great performance, Marcel. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33151 Re: First Appearences Of... Marcel Engels Mon 4/1/2002 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 10:37 am Subject: RE: [tadream] First Appearences Of... > From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...] > > *Whoever wrote that came back to say that he meant 19 Jun 71 to > be the first > appearance of Baumann, not the first appearance of sequencers... Haha oops still recovering from the trip back from Jodrell. > Oh, by the way congratulations on what sounds like a great performance, > Marcel. Thanks! Despite all the weird problems we had with setting up the gear, the concert went great. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 11:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] First Appearences Of... >*Whoever wrote that came back to say that he meant 19 Jun 71 to be the >first >appearance of Baumann, not the first appearance of sequencers... > >(Which I think is a very interesting question and I don't think was >answered, >though I can't be sure as my mail has been erratic since the last yahoo >blip.) I think that the topic of first sequence overall has already been answered; and the answer would be Astral Voyager (or Phaedra, is you believe that majority of Green Desert was actually recorded in 80+n) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 11:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] First Appearences Of... >*Whoever wrote that came back to say that he meant 19 Jun 71 to be the >first >appearance of Baumann, not the first appearance of sequencers... > >(Which I think is a very interesting question and I don't think was >answered, >though I can't be sure as my mail has been erratic since the last yahoo >blip.) (Whoops, accidental click on the 'Send' button..) I think that the topic of first sequence overall has already been answered; it would be Astral Voyager (or Phaedra... if you believe that majority of Green Desert was actually recorded in 80+n). Actually my other question was, when did TD use a sequencer in a _live show_ for the first time? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 11:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] First Appearences Of... In a message dated 4/1/2002 5:20:25 AM Central Standard Time, johnvertical@h... writes: > I think that the topic of first sequence overall has already been answered; > and the answer would be Astral Voyager (or Phaedra, is you believe that > majority of Green Desert was actually recorded in 80+n) > *I'm sorry but there is no way in hell that Astral Voyager as it appears in Green Desert was recorded prior to Phaedra... Those sounds are clearly PPG waveforms and that technology didn't exist until the eighties... besides can't your ears tell you how obviously out of place that timeframe is when the early albums are listened to in that order? (Rhetorical question, not you specifically John.) Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 1:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] First Appearences Of... >*I'm sorry but there is no way in hell that Astral Voyager as it appears in >Green Desert was recorded prior to Phaedra... >Those sounds are clearly PPG waveforms and that technology didn't exist >until >the eighties... besides can't your ears tell you how obviously out of place >that timeframe is when the early albums are listened to in that order? >(Rhetorical question, not you specifically John.) >Poly I'll answer still ;-) Of course it doesn't sound exactly like Atem or Zeit, because it has been _mixed_, not just mastered. (No re- suffix avaivable...) Or does the Dream Roots version of Poland sound 80ish? No... I don't know anything about PPG waveforms, but newer sequence layers don't mean that there could be some older, too. The piece cannot have been just isolate flute notes before, if it really was used to convince Virgin that the band was worth of something. Perhaps it was reperformed, too, like Phaedra on Tangents, or Stratosfear 1995? John Vertical np: Dolphin Dance on Livemiles West Berlin Concert - stunning! Doesn't matter at all that it's completely unlike to the US version... _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: 'Neil Hudson' Date: Sun Mar 31, 2002 1:22 pm Subject: Sorceror date >'Sorcerer' was composed in April, 1975. -- Mark This is interesting - I've always thought that parts of it predate Stratosfear - but might I ask how you know this? The record itself doesn't give a composition date, and Paul Stump's unreliable 'Digital Gothic' dates it to Spring 77. Cheers Neil Hudson Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33158 Re: Sorceror date Mark Filipak Mon 4/1/2002 3 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 1:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] First Appearences Of... In a message dated 4/1/2002 7:41:45 AM Central Standard Time, johnvertical@h... writes: > I don't know anything about PPG waveforms, but newer sequence layers don't > mean that there could be some older, too. The piece cannot have been just > isolate flute notes before, if it really was used to convince Virgin that > the band was worth of something. Perhaps it was reperformed, too, like > Phaedra on Tangents, or Stratosfear 1995? > > John Vertical > *Doubt it, there is no level at which Green Desert appears that is remotely like what they were doing prior to the eighties... it's not just the sound itself, compositionally that is NOT what they were doing or even capable of back then. The only thing to my ears that could have been there at all in the whole GD album was the drumming and a very very few synth parts. As for it being something to convince Virgin my guess is they just barely started the recording process when Peter came back. I'm sorry, but there is just no way I'm buying the story on this one. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33176 Re: First Appearences Of... TheInfection Wed 4/3/2002 3 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Sorceror date Neil Hudson wrote: > > >'Sorcerer' was composed in April, 1975. -- Mark > > This is interesting - I've always thought that parts of it predate > Stratosfear - but might I ask how you know this? I believe, an interview. I'm not sure. I can't check now because I'm tied up downloading 'TT'. I'll write more later. I can tell you this: 'When we did Sorcerer, we created the music before a foot of film had been shot.' - EF (Mark Pendergast, from 'TANGENTS' notes). I did research it. I remember that I was a little surprised that it predated the tour that produced 'Ricochet', but only a little. > The record itself doesn't > give a composition date, and Paul Stump's unreliable 'Digital Gothic' dates > it to Spring 77. That's when the LP was released. Ciao -- Mark -- See my Music Trade Pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/ Last updated on: 16 March 2002 From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 4:20 pm Subject: OT: RE: name the tadream mailing list Hi Steve- First of all, please don't think that because you are a lurker you won't be taken seriously! I do have several options, but right now, I'm just looking at moving the discussion to the tadream.net domain if I determine that I can provide the same - or better - level of service for subscribers and maintain adequate list management capabilities. Maybe more/varied features will come later, but for now, I'm simply investigating the options that will keep the delivery options the same. Yes, this means all messages in one discussion list the way we have it now, without breaking it out into multiple forums. Or at least this is the way that it will appear to mailing list subscribers. There is also the web-based viewing and newsgroup viewing options that are being explored. Ultimately, I'd like for people tobe allowed the choice of their method(s) of interacting with the message database. When you think about it, we are not e-mailing each other, but communicating with a database. your e-mails go directly into that databse, and what you read is coming out of it. So the method that you use to interact with that message database doesn't really matter as long as it works for you. There are reasons yahoogorups is good and bad. The factor against moving away, spam notwithstanding, is largely that yahoogroups has some pretty neat features that make my job a lot easier, as well as good subscriber features. The web interface for a listowner provides powerful tools that enable me to provide a more pleasant experience for subscribers overall. An example is the 'Unmoderated, Moderate new members' list setting. This allows me to screen new subscribers' posts for appropriateness before letting them in to the list. I cannot tell you how much spam this has prevented, that subscribers never even know about because it is intercepted. This feature alone is almost enough to keep me at yahoogorups indefinitely, if I couldn't have it elsewhere. i'd even sacrifice the unused featurtes at yahoogorups like the calendar, the chat, the polling, etc. But all of this stuff I could assemble separately. the main thing is your flexibility of mail options, useability, ease of admin. I'm checking into that now. Holy cow. I just went to yahoogroups to access some of them thar fancy list admin features I was just talking about, and no less than THREE popup windows came up. This is such crap anymore. You can't go to any public site anymore without getting a damn X-10 camera, classmates.com, ads, stupid trivia questions, fake message alerts, etc. it's crazy anymore! These sites have every right to advertise how they want, but I just want us to have our own little ad-free place we can hang out. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Yensen [mailto:steve@y...] > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 6:00 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com; jshoults@f... > Subject: Re: name the tadream mailing list > > > Joe, > > I may have misinterpreted your intentions here, but I would > like this made > as clear as possible! > > Could you tell me please exactly what you are intending to do? At the > moment I'm receiving my emails from All 4 of the Yahoo Groups > TD lists in > digest mode. I've been doing this since I joined the > original tadream list > in 1997. > > I certainly don't want individual messages in my mailbox, nor > do I want the > discussions split up into separate 'forums'. Another thing I > don't want is > to go to a website to read messages. My ISP's performance is > so pathetic > that it becomes almost physically painful! > > I can't stand spam either but I don't understand the need to > change. If all > you are doing is moving the mailing list to a different host, > then fine. If > not, then I'm afraid I'll have to bow out. > > I'm only a lurker so I don't suppose I'll be taken seriously, > but I do read > every single email in the digest. If I feel I can contribute > then I will > certainly do so. > > Does anyone else feel the same way? Please speak up if you do! > > Cheers, > Steve > in Nottingham, England > (and a TD fan since 1973) > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33161 Re: name the tadream mailing list Steve Yensen Mon 4/1/2002 3 KB 33167 Re: OT: RE: name the tadream mailing list Gustavo Jobim Tue 4/2/2002 2 KB 33168 Re: OT: RE: name the tadream mailing list Owens, James Tue 4/2/2002 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 5:01 pm Subject: OT: yahoogroups sneaky spam tactic Here are the instructions on how to make sure you won't be yahoogroups spam victim. I do not know if this applies to people who are subscribed WITHOUT a yahoogroups profile. I wouldn't think it would, but I don't know. If you do not have a yahoogroups profile, these instructions won't apply to you. Yahoo has made a sneaky change to allow them to send you tons of spam. After you log in to the MyGroups page you'll see 'Account Info' at the top right of your screen. Click that and enter your password. In the next screen you'll see under the 'Member Info' section a blue 'Edit my marketing preferences', click on that and you'll see that they have set everything to 'Yes' so they can send you lots of spam. Select 'No' for anything or everything you don't want. Be sure to save your changes at the bottom when you finish. Joe Shoults Listowner From: 'Steve Yensen' Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 5:33 pm Subject: RE: RE: name the tadream mailing list Joe and the list, Thanks for your feedback. I am a list owner on an AA-related list Yahoo Groups and know how useful their features can be. But the pop-ups are very annoying too! As far as being taken seriously is concerned, I've already had a 'you don't matter' type of post from a particularly obnoxious member of another (electronic music related) list also on Yahoo Groups. Just ignore my last comment, please! Sorry! Again, I'll certainly go along with the majority. There are many TD experts on this list, and although I've been following them (TD that is) for nearly 30 years, I'm certainly no expert! I would miss this list very much if I were to leave so it isn't likely to happen! Cheers, Steve -----Original Message----- From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] Sent: 01 April 2002 17:20 To: 'Steve Yensen'; tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: OT: RE: name the tadream mailing list Hi Steve- First of all, please don't think that because you are a lurker you won't be taken seriously! From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 6:11 pm Subject: Colleagues & Guests http://www.tangerinedream.de/strangers.html I just read the above link for the first time in along while, but it almost seemed I hadn't read it ever before... I wonder if it had been rewritten, or if my memory is just getting bad... haha Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33213 Re: Colleagues & Guests Owens, James Thu 4/4/2002 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 6:48 pm Subject: First Sequencer? >I'll answer still ;-) >Of course it doesn't sound exactly like Atem or Zeit, because it has been >_mixed_, not just mastered. (No re- suffix avaivable...) Or does the Dream >Roots version of Poland sound 80ish? No... >I don't know anything about PPG waveforms, but newer sequence layers don't >mean that there could be some older, too. The piece cannot have been just >isolate flute notes before, if it really was used to convince Virgin that >the band was worth of something. Perhaps it was reperformed, too, like >Phaedra on Tangents, or Stratosfear 1995? > >John Vertical Phaedra and Stratosfear were not reperformed for Tangents. They were re-worked and performed live on 1986-2001 shows in various forms. Logos 'Blue' is the same in this regard. I have bootlegs of 1983, so I know that everything performed on 'Poland' was not only possible in 1983 but played (albiet there were differences). The same with Logos, Pergamon/Tangram, Encore, etc. I'd have to agree with the idea that Green Desert is largely a reperformance or remix done in the mid-80's. It has too many mid-80's sounds. I think it's been said that the sequencer on Green Desert was not possible with the equipment TD had at the time. (could be misquoting) -Morgan From: 'Hulshoff, Bert' Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 7:28 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: name the tadream mailing list Steve Yensen wrote I can't stand spam either but I don't understand the need to change. If all you are doing is moving the mailing list to a different host, then fine. If not, then I'm afraid I'll have to bow out. I'm only a lurker so I don't suppose I'll be taken seriously, but I do read every single email in the digest. If I feel I can contribute then I will certainly do so. Does anyone else feel the same way? Please speak up if you do! I speak I think the same, and about spam , at this moment i have not got some from Yahoo, yet. (everything has its price) Greetings Bert From: 'rbicon' Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 11:03 am Subject: Looking for those Hello,maybe some of you can help.I'm looking to complete the first Digital Tape Tree. I have cd 1 up to cd 20. So i'm missing cd 21 to 25 i think,but i'm not sure. Maybe it's more than 25 cd. Also,i'm looking for the boot recorded in Hammersmith Odeon on September 26 and 27. I can fix a trade if someone is interested. You can view my TD ,Klaus Schulze and various Electronic music boots collection at; http://pages.infinit.net/musicfan As always,thanks Sylvain from Québec Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33166 Mars Polaris TheInfection Tue 4/2/2002 2 KB From: TheInfection Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 11:06 am Subject: [tadream] Mars Polaris I think you can find the same clickclack-sound from Soundmill Navigator also from Mars Polaris. Listen Mars Mission Counter (with a not so good speakers like the ones you have on computers) and it first appears after 3:20 and makes numerous appearances afterwards. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 8:30 pm Subject: Re: OT: RE: name the tadream mailing list Not to mention the ads that come with the mail messges now... which also provide a nice little freezing in Eudora when the message loads the ad picture. Very nice. --- Joe wrote: > Holy cow. I just went to yahoogroups to access some of them thar fancy list admin features I was just talking about, and no less than THREE popup windows came up. This is such crap anymore. From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 2:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: OT: RE: name the tadream mailing list Set your yahoogroup options to deliver mail in text only (no HTML). I get ads, but they are just 2 or 3 lines of text at the bottom, which are easily ignored. James > -----Original Message----- > From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavojobim@n...] > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 7:30 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: OT: RE: name the tadream mailing list > > > Not to mention the ads that come with the mail messges now... > which also > provide a nice little freezing in Eudora when the message > loads the ad > picture. Very nice. > > --- > Joe wrote: > > Holy cow. I just went to yahoogroups to access some of > them thar fancy list admin features I was just talking about, > and no less than THREE popup windows came up. This is such > crap anymore. > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 4:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mars Polaris >I think you can find the same clickclack-sound from >Soundmill Navigator also from Mars Polaris. Listen >Mars Mission Counter (with a not so good speakers like >the ones you have on computers) and it first appears >after 3:20 and makes numerous appearances afterwards. > >Regards, >TheInfection Hmm.. I don't actually get it. I hear no clicks around 3.20, except the main theme perhaps, but it does appear earlier, too... And I didn't know there was a 'the' click-clack in Soundmill Navigator... --- After some careful listeing of that spot, yet, there's a sort of clashing sound in the background - but I don't recognize it being from Soundmill... --- More listening. The repeating glitter at the end of the sequence of SmN, I first though it was that. But I'm not too sure about it after listening to both. But it's not impossible either for them to have the same source, as that sound apparently is added later. It's not found on Birth of a Black Hole... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 5:02 pm Subject: annoying ads/universal web filtering... been using proxomitron to filter web content--don't know if this will help you, but here's some info: http://www.flaaten.dk/prox/features.html --T _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 5:03 pm Subject: Interesting translations (was: [tadream] 17 TDI CDs for only 9.99 Euros / 8 $ - each!!!) Since I'm not a German speaker, I ran the web page through AltaVista translater. Some of the disc titles had interesting translations: Great Barrier of China Seaweed RAM Seaweed Go What a Blow Soho One And my favorite: Dream Mixes Three - The Past dog-talk Moons > -----Original Message----- > From: Rainer Rutka [mailto:rainer@k...] > > The JPC homepage is: www.jpc.de > They are selling to foreign countries, too. From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 5:10 pm Subject: Finnish Can anyone on the list from Finland please contact me offlist? I need a translation of one sentence. Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'heineu' Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 5:49 pm Subject: Private Tapes for sale !!! Hello , I have an the ultra rare 6CD Set: The Private Tapes - Ashra, Ash Ra Tempel and Manuel Göttsching for sale !!!! This set is an limited edition of only 1000 copies. And it is long out of print. For tracklist please visit my HP: www.tribute-to-ashra.de If you interested in these Set, please make me an serious offer . Please contact me offlist. Thank you. Regards heiko - Mr. Optical www.opticaldream.de www.tribute-to-ashra.de From: 'albenson' Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 6:30 pm Subject: Re: Good news for Near Dark fans! - and a HUGE Thank You! Chad the consummate mp3 'TD diehard' collector wrote (excerpt): > [...] ...While I'm here since I rarely post anymore... > I want to pass around a GREAT big --Thank You-- > to Maff, ATye, Tom Richmond [for the DWT 2 tree], > Heiko [you da man! keep up the great work with the > Parallel Dreams series etc!], Al [for sharing those > wonderful sources with Heiko!], Joe [for doing the > TD Tree]. I hope I didn't forget anybody. If so, please > insert your name here --> <--. hehe! May we have many > future tree releases from great sources!! :o) > > Take care, > Chad __________________________________________ Thanks Chad! (see you soon pal -- on the ICC :-) Well, soooo many ~TD diehards~ contributed to the overwhelming success of this Tadream Tree project. My 'April Fools' day present was to find stuffed deep inside my mailbox one small 'Ready Post' mailer that Joe had kindly sent to me (*thanks* Joe!). I'm still sifting *very carefully* through it... :-) However, the outstanding T-tree 'highlight' for me so far (an understatement if there ever was one) is the show at Nottingham, UK (November 08, 1976). I've heard many and even on 'reel to reel' (yes, those exists too). How- ever, this '2nd gen' source fan tape (transferred digitally to SHN & CDR) simply has me near ~TD diehard~ tears. As, Composition #1 'Scale Deluxe' (one of the few un- known ~TD live~ compositions that I actually gave names too) -- it's simply the very best I've ever heard! ~bar none~ The second composition (aptly named 'Sorcerer Supreme') ain't bad either... ;-) Besides, it's now time to fire up the 'Stax' again for the umpteenth time. BTW: Who's counting? ~lol~ Best Always, -- Al Berkeley, CA / USA ****************** My TD personal homepage: http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html A ~Steven Wright~ joke: 'Got a blank tape... Played it on my stereo system. My neighbor complained. So, I turned it up full blast...' :^) NP: You all know the bottom line... Just about_anything_so long as it's ~TANGERINE DREAM~ [Pound for pound -- TD ~live~ in 1976 is simply unbeatable!] _________________________________________________ From: 'civance' Date: Wed Apr 3, 2002 7:06 am Subject: another Thank you I forgot :) Hello again! Its just lil ol me! I TOTALLY forgot one very important name in my list of thank yous. I feel really stupid now that I realized it too. A BIG huge THANK you goes out to Morgan. Thanks man for the care packages!! They are very much appreciated! See ya, Chad From: TheInfection Date: Wed Apr 3, 2002 7:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] First Appearences Of... --- Synthhtnys@a... wrote: > In a message dated 4/1/2002 7:41:45 AM Central > Standard Time, > johnvertical@h... writes: > > I don't know anything about PPG waveforms, but > newer sequence layers don't > > mean that there could be some older, too. The > piece cannot have been just > > isolate flute notes before, if it really was used > to convince Virgin that > > the band was worth of something. Perhaps it was > reperformed, too, like > > Phaedra on Tangents, or Stratosfear 1995? > > > > John Vertical > > > > *Doubt it, there is no level at which Green Desert > appears that is remotely > like what they were doing prior to the eighties... > it's not just the sound > itself, compositionally > that is NOT what they were doing or even capable of > back then. The only thing > to my ears that could have been there at all in the > whole GD album was the > drumming and a very very few synth parts. As for it > being something to > convince Virgin my guess is they just barely started > the recording process > when Peter came back. > I'm sorry, but there is just no way I'm buying the > story on this one. > Poly I have to agree with Poly. Altough GD is a great album, but the sequences and some other parts are clearly from the 80's. For example White Coulds has the flute sound that was used in White Eagle as I have mentioned this before. Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Wed Apr 3, 2002 1:59 pm Subject: Pop-ups Joe S wrote: >Holy cow. I just went to yahoogroups to access some of them thar fancy list >admin features I was just talking about, and no less than THREE popup >windows came up. If you are using Windows 95, 98 or 2000 you can always try Nagger (if you can spare 500 kb disc space). Takes care of pop-ups effectively. /Olle From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Wed Apr 3, 2002 5:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] multiple mailing lists or USENET newsgroup? In keeping with the KISS principle, I vote we stay like we are. If you see a thread you don't want to read, it's easy enough to delete the messages from your email list. Besides, I have found that reading every message can be a real hoot with jokes or even a learning experience albeit somewhat peripheral in my case. 8-) Dell All IMO of course. >[Note: the idea of a forum or >1 list assumes that not everyone want to > read every message and that the number of messages is large enough that > weeding out the ones you don't want takes enough time to matter. It doesn't. >can only be answered by people here speaking up if they know they >wouldn't, or if they just plain don't like the idea and want to stick >with a mailing list. I do. As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: 'Paul Fellows' Date: Wed Apr 3, 2002 6:03 pm Subject: [tadream] Dreamwatcher's Tales II Sorry for this post, but could Conrad Gibbons contact me re. my copies of DreamWatcher's Tales II, I've lost his e-mail address due to a change of computer... Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33203 hint Re: Dreamwatcher's Tales II Gustavo Jobim Thu 4/4/2002 2 KB 33207 Re: hint Re: Dreamwatcher's Tales II Paul Fellows Thu 4/4/2002 3 KB From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Wed Apr 3, 2002 6:26 pm Subject: Check out ebay seller SONIXXX. Check out ebay seller SONIXXX. Definitely a history of interesting TD items.... Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33183 Re: Check out ebay seller SONIXXX. Mark Filipak Thu 4/4/2002 2 KB 33184 Re: Check out ebay seller SONIXXX. albenson Thu 4/4/2002 3 KB 33186 Re: Check out ebay seller SONIXXX. albenson Thu 4/4/2002 3 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed Apr 3, 2002 10:10 pm Subject: Noisemill Snavigator >John Vertical said: > >theme perhaps, but it does appear earlier, too... And I didn't know there >was a 'the' click-clack in Soundmill Navigator... At the risk of reigniting a huge conflict we had many months ago, Edgar Froese announced that 1976.06.27 Berlin Philharmonic, a 35 minute show, would be released at such-and-such a time. 2 months before the release date, Edgar went into the legendary TD vault and pulled out the tape and discovered, to his horror, that part of the tape had degenerated. Upon playback, a chht chht chht sound was heard, drifting back and forth from channel to channel and slowly morphing over the duration of the concert from cht cht cht to shhht shhht shht. Well, Edgar had many options before him. Of course he chose the road least traveled. Rather than turn the tape over to a sound engineer to see what could be done, he sampled the chht chht sound and loaded it into his keyboard. Then, as is often the case, Edgar felt that the work was unfinished and needed new introduction, ending, and many overlays of 2001 sounds. To minimize the tape flaw's effect, he deicided to overlay the tape flaw sample over the parts that were 100% new materials (primarily the beginning and end). This is what was released as Soundmill Navigator. You can imagine the anger struck in the TD community, especially when it was announced by Martin K. of TDI Management a month before release that the music would be as-is and not doctored or overdubbed in any way. Our frustrations subsided when the conditions of the tape were described to us and the matter almost went away. Except for one thing. Some sound engineers who are also TD fans (maybe fanatics) took a crack at removing the tape flaw in the studio and were shocked that in just a couple of hours of manipulations and alterations, the tape flaw could be COMPLETELY REMOVED with almost no harm to the music. As the music did not encroach into the frequencies taken up by the tape flaw, it could be excised like a rogue wisdom tooth without hurting the gums. There was a lot of wise concern on the part of these sound engineers about releasing such a project, as it was crossing into the realm of pirating the original disc. Eventually, a denoised version of Soundmill Navigator leaked out as 'Planetary Navigator'. Recently, an excellent bootleg recording from the FM radio broadcast of this concert has appeared. It is a first or second generation tape and, with some equalization work by some TD fans, has been released as Tangerine Tree Vol 8. Unless Edgar wants to give a lucky sound engineer a crack at fixing the original tape and releasing it, I believe the book has been closed on this particular concert. Apologies in advance for any errors. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33182 Re: Noisemill Snavigator albenson Thu 4/4/2002 6 KB 33189 Re: Noisemill Snavigator Greg Thu 4/4/2002 2 KB 33192 Re: Noisemill Snavigator John Vertical Thu 4/4/2002 2 KB 33193 Re: Noisemill Snavigator TheInfection Thu 4/4/2002 2 KB 33194 Re: Noisemill Snavigator Antonio Nunes Thu 4/4/2002 2 KB 33196 Re: Noisemill Snavigator Heiko Heerssen Thu 4/4/2002 3 KB 33197 Re: Noisemill Snavigator John Vertical Thu 4/4/2002 2 KB From: 'albenson' Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 4:20 am Subject: Re: Noisemill Snavigator Morgan kindly wrote (excerpt): > Recently, an excellent bootleg recording from the > FM radio broadcast of this concert has appeared. > It is a first or second generation tape and, with > some equalization work by some TD fans, has > been released as Tangerine Tree Vol 8. Some clarification re: the above follows. *That* cassette master tape was mastered from Spect's original fan CDR ('Danger Live, pt. II', see *1a below), using CDR direct to my Nakamichi BX-300. A second special Nak 'hot copy' (Maxell XL-IIS) was also made and supplied to Heiko for his use specifically in the Tadream Tree Project 2002. Other participants included are Jabberwock (John), who received the original DAT recording from a TD contact in England (Jason), and then sent over to Spect which he then trans- formed into a Waveform CD. Also, Jerzy (3N), who masterfully remastered this show from the above second Nak 'hot' tape copy that I supplied to our very own 'Tadream Tree Master' -- Heiko. ~lol~ It truly takes a full tandem TD fan effort to preserve what we TD diehards of diehards simply love to do... To preserve for all time the very best of the best of the great ~live~ concert rec- ordings of: Tangerine Dream! ;-) Hope that clarifies a few of the technical details that surround just 'how and why' we all now hear it as Vol. #8 (Redbook) of the current T-tree project... :-) I won't get into the other aspects of 'Soundpill Navigator' (or, as our German TD colleagues like to say: 'Soundmull'), as I think we have all been through it soooo many times that it's truly 'ad nauseam' at this point. Except to perhaps re-post an excerpt of one of my two responses that I posted in the old TDI guestbook on April 19, 2000 (the original post was published in Tadream and is fully credited below): _________________________________________________ The TDI Guestbook (04/19/00): >> True, I sometimes do *love & hate* them simultaneously... >> Even when I do criticize try to do it with wit, flavor and >> charm... Case in point when I wrote in Tadream Digest >> #234 in a response to 'Sohoman' (Re: Re: Rubycon (no >> D: Studio!) / Silver Scale), on 10/11/99 the following >> (excerpt): >> >> '...Speaking of the Edgar Froese and the vaults... Yes, every >> so often I simply relish being totally absorbed and watching >> the movie 'Thief' (1983), directed by Michael Mann of 'The >> Keep' and 'Streethawk' TV series fame. We'll decidedly give >> EF plenty of room here... However, I and many other TD die- >> hards can only wait sooo long. My background is that of a pro- >> professional organizer. So, if someday some of you get private >> e-mails from me which include a 'master plan' requiring your >> immediate updated passports and travel plans to London... LOL' >> >> PS: Joe and EF -- I'm just kidding! All >> in the true sprit of TD fun and games. :-) >> >> PPS: (Private Joke) To Bruce: 'Bring >> out the hounds, the TD game's afoot!' >> >> NP: OST 'Thief' the one & only track 'Diamond Diary' by TD. >> >> Well, I'm sure that you all get the idea... I only *kid* about >> the possibility cause I *love* this group soooo much. >> >> My TD Best Always, -- Al (the TD's pal), Berzerkeley, CA / USA >> >> PS: The only reason I didn't mention 'J.S. Bach' in my >> guestbook post of 04/17/00 is that we all know *Bach* >> is *perfect!* ~lol~ _______________________________________________________ The URL links to the old TDI guestbook are now gone. However they shall remain fixed forevermore on my TD personal webpages in: 'TDI Guestbook, Part I & TDI Guestbook. Parts I-III.' Best Regards, -- Al Berkeley, CA / USA ****************** *1a: This was discussed at some length in the Tadream post: > -----Original Message----- > From: albenson [SMTP:albenson@n...] > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 2:19 AM > To: Tadream > Subject: [tadream] D: Boot [Danger Live] > (was: Re: Invisible melodies) ________________________________________________ My TD personal homepage: http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html A ~Steven Wright~ joke: 'Got a blank tape... Played it on my stereo system. My neighbor complained. So, I turned it up full blast...' :^) NP: You all know the bottom line... Just about_anything_so long as it's ~TANGERINE DREAM~ [Pound for pound -- TD ~live~ in 1976 is simply unbeatable!] ________________________________________________________________ From: Mark Filipak Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 5:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Check out ebay seller SONIXXX. Michael Jean wrote: > > Check out ebay seller SONIXXX. > > Definitely a history of interesting TD items.... I tried to find info on SONIXXX but couldn't figure out how to search for ebay sellers. Gave up. Any ideas Michael? Ciao -- Mark -- See my Music Trade Pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/ Last updated on: 16 March 2002 From: 'albenson' Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 5:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Check out ebay seller SONIXXX. Mark inquired: > Michael Jean wrote: >> >> Check out ebay seller SONIXXX. >> >> Definitely a history of interesting TD items.... >>> >>> I tried to find info on SONIXXX but couldn't >>> figure out how to search for ebay sellers. >>> >>> Gave up. Any ideas Michael? >>> >>> Ciao -- Mark ___________________________________ Mark -- I tried to contact 'Sonixxx' previously on another matter, but he has *not* answered my e-mail yet.... Here is the eBay sellers direct URL link to his TD auctions: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=sonixxx&include\ =0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 That should work... :-) (If full link not hyperlinked then paste & scrap the full two lines above and paste into your browser). I'm just hanging out tonight and while I'm here... ~lol~ I forgot to 'thank* Morgan for his new TD website (04/19/02): 'The Unheard Tangerine Dream Discography.' http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/ Best Always, -- Al Berkeley, CA / USA ********************** My TD personal homepage: http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jens Kilian' Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 9:20 pm Subject: [GERMANY] TD-scored Tatort running tomorrow FYI: Friday, April 5th 2002, 23:15, the 'Tatort' episode 'Das Maedchen auf der Treppe' will be shown on ARD. http://programm.das-erste.de/detail1.asp?id=X000115146&sdatlo=05.04.02&sender=1 Have fun, Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33237 Re: [GERMANY] TD-scored Tatort running tomorrow René Brenner Fri 4/5/2002 3 KB From: 'albenson' Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 6:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Check out ebay seller SONIXXX. Mark -- Just a quick follow-up... I had trouble too with the link, not sure whether it's eBay's problem or something else. So, let's attempt to help you search for sellers on eBay instead. On the main page the main title bar on top has several links. Click on 'Search' and a new page comes up. In the title bar of the 'Search' new options are now available. Look for 'By Seller' and click on that. Now in the blank text box labeled 'Single Seller' type in 'Sonixxx' or whomever you're searching and then click the 'Search' box directly below the info you just typed in... It will take you directly to 'Sonixxx' 'Items for sale' page. :-))) OK -- it's back to TD deep lurk zone mode... ;-) Best Always, -- Al Berkeley, CA / USA ********************** My TD personal homepage: http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 7:49 am Subject: Unheard TD >Al Benson posted: > >I'm just hanging out tonight and while I'm here... >~lol~ I forgot to 'thank* Morgan for his new TD website >(04/19/02): 'The Unheard Tangerine Dream Discography.' > >http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/ Oh dear. I wasn't ready! Well, I guess the cat has been unbagged. I know there are several prominent websites which contain information about concert venues, dates, whether tapes exist, and various people have lists--some more complete and accurate than others--of what recordings they have. But I think there is one niche that can yet be filled (or at least I can try). That is identifying the more popular bootlegs and knowing which one(s) provide the best quality and or most complete recording of each venue and date. I hope I am not stepping on anyone's toes here. Anyway, I've fixed the date (latest update was actually Tuesday) and added a comments/corrections box right up at the top. This site is only useful if it is free of errors so no doubt as people look at it, there will be lots of things to fix! You're not going to hurt my feelings, actually I appreciate it. I am still deciding if I am best utilizing the right-hand column up to its fullest potential. Frankly, I think the right-hand column makes it a less valuable site as it is seen as my personal collection. I'd rather it be a more informational site than that. -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33223 Unheard TD Klaus Beschorner Fri 4/5/2002 4 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 9:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Burg Nideggen Its really a shame!!! Tangerine Dream is playing almost at my home but I can't go because I get married abroad!!! BAD TIMING!!! a. > > Hi Guys, > > here some information about Burg Nideggen: > Burg Nideggen is located between Aachen and Bonn , Kreis Düren. > > and links: > http://www.nordeifel.de/nideggen/burgen-romantik.html > > http://www.burg-nideggen.de/ > > http://www.eifelfuehrer.de/N/Nideggen.html > > http://www.eifelfuehrer.de/Karten/UebersichtskarteA.html > > Regards > heiko - Mr. Optical > BTW: I find it very unfortunate that TD will play / performed again the first part in Berlin and on Burg Nideggen . > Edgar and Jerome please performed the the second and the third part!!!! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33195 Re: Burg Nideggen Michael A Jean Thu 4/4/2002 4 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 9:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Noisemill Snavigator I'm probably the only one who likes the cht cht cht sound. It's the only acoustically produced sound (a tape flaw) on the entire album :) I can't imagine it without that 'flaw' as I am always anxious to hear the start of it. Greg H. Hearing an album many times of random noise across all frequencies can be considered a work of genius? Why.. because we try and figure and understand the music out with our own mental processes, and since we think we often think of ourselves as geniuses, the music seems to be so! From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 9:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Burg Nideggen > Its really a shame!!! Tangerine Dream is playing almost at my > home but I can't go because I get married abroad!!! BAD TIMING!!! Well Armin... now's the time to make the right decision ;-)) A medieval castle would also be a nice location for a wedding, don't you agree? :-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33191 Re: Burg Nideggen Peter Ravn Thu 4/4/2002 2 KB From: 'Peter Ravn' Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 10:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Burg Nideggen - and the music is just right for a wedding - and well yes the title is not :-) >-- Original Message -- >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >From: Heiko Heerssen >Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 11:57:43 +0200 >Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Burg Nideggen >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > > > >> Its really a shame!!! Tangerine Dream is playing almost at my >> home but I can't go because I get married abroad!!! BAD TIMING!!! > >Well Armin... >now's the time to make the right decision ;-)) >A medieval castle would also be a nice location for a wedding, don't you >agree? :-) > >Heiko > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Are you on the tree yet? Go to >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Peter Ravn pr@r... & peter@r... From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 11:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Noisemill Snavigator >From: 'Greg' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >I'm probably the only one who likes the cht cht cht sound. It's the only >acoustically produced sound (a tape flaw) on the entire album :) I can't >imagine it without that 'flaw' as I am always anxious to hear the start of >it. I sort of like it too. It really ties the whole piece together even tighter. But I think the background noise does not appear on Mars Mission Counter... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33193 Re: Noisemill Snavigator TheInfection Thu 4/4/2002 2 KB From: TheInfection Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 11:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Noisemill Snavigator Bah, I think it's one of the annoying noises I know. I can't listen the music because of it! Regards, TheInfection --- John Vertical wrote: > >From: 'Greg' > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: > >I'm probably the only one who likes the cht cht cht > sound. It's the only > >acoustically produced sound (a tape flaw) on the > entire album :) I can't > >imagine it without that 'flaw' as I am always > anxious to hear the start of > >it. > > > I sort of like it too. It really ties the whole > piece together even tighter. > > But I think the background noise does not appear on > Mars Mission Counter... > > John Vertical ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 11:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Noisemill Snavigator Greg wrote: > > I'm probably the only one who likes the cht cht cht sound. It's the only > acoustically produced sound (a tape flaw) on the entire album :) I can't > imagine it without that 'flaw' as I am always anxious to hear the start of > it. No Greg, you're not the only one. I have a mp3 version of 'Planetary Navigator' (the denoised Soundmill Navigator) and whenever I listen to it, I feel that something is missing :-) For me the cht cht on 'Soundmill Navigator' is a sound effect, not a noise. BTW, I hope I am wrong here, but maybe all this anger about 'Soundmill Navigator' and 'Sohoman' will refrain Edgar from releasing other vintage concerts... Antonio From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 11:52 am Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Burg Nideggen Hmmm...I had to miss the MArs Polaris debut becuase of my graduation from grad school..haha Where are you getting married? MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Armin Theissen [mailto:Armin.Theissen@s...] > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 4:38 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Burg Nideggen > > > > Its really a shame!!! Tangerine Dream is playing almost at my > home but I can't go because I get married abroad!!! BAD TIMING!!! > > a. > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > here some information about Burg Nideggen: > > Burg Nideggen is located between Aachen and Bonn , Kreis Düren. > > > > and links: > > http://www.nordeifel.de/nideggen/burgen-romantik.html > > > > http://www.burg-nideggen.de/ > > > > http://www.eifelfuehrer.de/N/Nideggen.html > > > > http://www.eifelfuehrer.de/Karten/UebersichtskarteA.html > > > > Regards > > heiko - Mr. Optical > > BTW: I find it very unfortunate that TD will play / performed > again the first > part in Berlin and on Burg Nideggen . > > Edgar and Jerome please performed the the second and the third part!!!! > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Are you on the tree yet? Go to http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 12:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Noisemill Snavigator > BTW, I hope I am wrong here, but maybe all this anger about 'Soundmill > Navigator' and 'Sohoman' will refrain Edgar from releasing other vintage > concerts... I remember that in an 'Elektrobeats' interview two years ago he mentioned a few concerts which he would like to release, like New York Avery Fisher Hall 1977 (btw, the great Washington Lisner Auditorium gig has its 25th anniversary today ;-) and some others which I can't remember right now. It's embarrassing but true: a couple of days ago while I was sleeping (no, not in the office...late at night!! ~lol~) I had a dream of coming home from work...and all of a sudden a giant parcel is lying on the doormat which I didn't order or ask for. I open it and see that it is crammed full with TD tapes, at least a hundred of them (the music which never got taped and which I always wanted to hear), and there's also a letter from Edgar who says that we should release all the music through the Tangerine Tree project, and in case there's anything missing he will dub the music on tape asap. But it was only a dream :-( Heiko From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 12:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Noisemill Snavigator >I remember that in an 'Elektrobeats' interview two years ago he mentioned a >few >concerts which he would like to release, like New York Avery Fisher Hall >1977 He'd probably like to treat them a bit too. Didn't I hear here one day that there was going to be another two 'Antique Dreams' type albums, but the I-box trampled over them..? Does anyone know what were these two going to include? >(btw, the great Washington Lisner Auditorium gig has its 25th anniversary >today >;-) Wow... I guess I must start playing Monolight now... werr-werrh-werrrrhhh... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From: Armin Theissen Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 12:39 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Burg Nideggen > > Hmmm...I had to miss the MArs Polaris debut becuase of my graduation from > grad school..haha > > Where are you getting married? Sofia, Bulgaria. Heaven of CD pirates.... a. > > MJ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Armin Theissen [mailto:Armin.Theissen@s...] > > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 4:38 AM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [tadream] RE: Burg Nideggen > > > > > > > > Its really a shame!!! Tangerine Dream is playing almost at my > > home but I can't go because I get married abroad!!! BAD TIMING!!! > > > > a. > > > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > > > here some information about Burg Nideggen: > > > Burg Nideggen is located between Aachen and Bonn , Kreis Düren. > > > > > > and links: > > > http://www.nordeifel.de/nideggen/burgen-romantik.html > > > > > > http://www.burg-nideggen.de/ > > > > > > http://www.eifelfuehrer.de/N/Nideggen.html > > > > > > http://www.eifelfuehrer.de/Karten/UebersichtskarteA.html > > > > > > Regards > > > heiko - Mr. Optical > > > BTW: I find it very unfortunate that TD will play / performed > > again the first > > part in Berlin and on Burg Nideggen . > > > Edgar and Jerome please performed the the second and the third part!!!! > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 > SUN Microsystems Ireland > > 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' > - Woody Allen > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 2:12 pm Subject: [tree] shns available for ftp download we still have the Tree SHN files available for download via FTP, so let me know if you want access. Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33201 Re: [tree] shns available for ftp download C. Chambers Thu 4/4/2002 3 KB 33202 Re: [tree] shns available for ftp download Marcel Engels Thu 4/4/2002 4 KB 33204 Re: [tree] shns available for ftp download C. Chambers Thu 4/4/2002 4 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 3:00 pm Subject: green desert dates (was RE: [tadream] First Appearences Of... I know I'm piping in late on this thread, but I don't think there has ever been any dispute that Green Desert was a hybrid 1973 - 1986 production. Unless there has been some denial of this by TD that I don't know of, it has always been only fan speculation about what the album creation/release dates meant. The result seems to be that some people for whatever reasons believe that Edgar was dishonestly trying to make his art look more 'visionary' or ahead of its time than it really was - or something like that - by trying to make it appear that the sounds on the album released in 1986 were untouched sounds from 1973, based upon the composition dates referenced on the album. Again, I could be wrong, but I don't think he has ever actually said this, and even if he did I would still wonder whether he was being sarcastic, as the sounds are obviously hybrid, if not totally rerecorded. (I can see him rolling his eyes when asked) Joe > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Re: [tadream] First Appearences Of... > > > I don't know anything about PPG waveforms, but > > newer sequence layers don't > > > mean that there could be some older, too. The ... > > *Doubt it, there is no level at which Green Desert > > appears that is remotely > > like what they were doing prior to the eighties... ... > > I'm sorry, but there is just no way I'm buying the > > story on this one. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33222 Re: green desert dates (was RE: [tadream] First A tomgents Fri 4/5/2002 2 KB From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 3:38 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] shns available for ftp download I do...but my DSL has been down for several days now :-( Send me the login/pw/port info and I may be able to get it soon. Thanks. Craig PS: Do you know what the status of Morgan's distribution to me and my leafs are? I could (and will) ask him, but if you haven't sent them his way, then I won't bother him yet. Thx. > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:12 AM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: [tadream] [tree] shns available for ftp download > > > we still have the Tree SHN files available for download via FTP, so let me > know if you want access. > > Joe > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33202 Re: [tree] shns available for ftp download Marcel Engels Thu 4/4/2002 4 KB 33204 Re: [tree] shns available for ftp download C. Chambers Thu 4/4/2002 4 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 3:42 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] shns available for ftp download For anyone who has a fast connection to the internet I can recommend it. I just downloaded 6MB and it took just over a minute, in fact all the bandwidth I had. :-) Marcel > -----Original Message----- > From: C. Chambers [mailto:craig.chambers@m...] > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 5:39 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] shns available for ftp download > > > I do...but my DSL has been down for several days now :-( > > Send me the login/pw/port info and I may be able to get it soon. > Thanks. > Craig > > PS: Do you know what the status of Morgan's distribution to me > and my leafs > are? I could (and will) ask him, but if you haven't sent them > his way, then > I won't bother him yet. > Thx. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:12 AM > > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > > Subject: [tadream] [tree] shns available for ftp download > > > > > > we still have the Tree SHN files available for download via > FTP, so let me > > know if you want access. > > > > Joe > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 10:54 pm Subject: hint Re: Dreamwatcher's Tales II From time to time someone posts a message like this. I'm not annoyed at all by this kind of message, but maybe you don't know we can see the members list at the Yahoogroups page. Now, I'm not sure you can see the 'Conrad Gibbons' name (no time to check that now), but I'm sure you can see the email address and the yahoo ID - maybe a cgibbons, conradg... there's a possibility that by searching there you (anyone) can find who you're looking for and avoid sending such messages to the list. anyway, just a hint. regards GJ np. Georg Trakl (KS - X) > Sorry for this post, but could Conrad Gibbons contact me re. my copies of > DreamWatcher's Tales II, I've lost his e-mail address due to a change of > computer... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33207 Re: hint Re: Dreamwatcher's Tales II Paul Fellows Thu 4/4/2002 3 KB From: 'C. Chambers' Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 3:57 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] shns available for ftp download I obviously meant this last post off list...sorry for the clutter. Craig > -----Original Message----- > From: C. Chambers [mailto:craig.chambers@m...] > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:39 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] [tree] shns available for ftp download > > > I do...but my DSL has been down for several days now :-( > > Send me the login/pw/port info and I may be able to get it soon. > Thanks. > Craig > > PS: Do you know what the status of Morgan's distribution to me > and my leafs > are? I could (and will) ask him, but if you haven't sent them > his way, then > I won't bother him yet. > Thx. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:12 AM > > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > > Subject: [tadream] [tree] shns available for ftp download > > > > > > we still have the Tree SHN files available for download via > FTP, so let me > > know if you want access. > > > > Joe > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Are you on the tree yet? Go to http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Wade Gordon Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 4:00 pm Subject: Off Topic- POND Hey gang I know that POND had recorded a project at Chris Frankes studio in Berlin. Does anyone out there know any information about it? Also, does anyone know how I can get any POND discs? Contact me privately if necessary. All the best, Wade __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33208 Re: Off Topic- POND michaeljean@e... Thu 4/4/2002 3 KB 33211 Re: Off Topic- POND Wade Gordon Thu 4/4/2002 4 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 5:21 pm Subject: Not Releasing Concerts? >No Greg, you're not the only one. I have a mp3 version of 'Planetary >Navigator' (the denoised Soundmill Navigator) and whenever I listen to >it, I feel that something is missing :-) For me the cht cht on >'Soundmill Navigator' is a sound effect, not a noise. > >BTW, I hope I am wrong here, but maybe all this anger about 'Soundmill >Navigator' and 'Sohoman' will refrain Edgar from releasing other vintage >concerts... > >Antonio A lot of people will take the concerts, no matter how Edgar 'updates' them, and love them. A lot of people will take anything Edgar produces and worship it. Are these two groups largely overlapping? If Edgar is going to do all these modifications to a concert, who does it serve? Edgar does not like the old music and he feels it is rough and unfinished and must modify it to release it. He has also said that it is not an enjoyable experience to go back and 'suffer through' the old musical ideas. I just don't think there are enough TD fanatics who will buy nearly anything to make this profitable. The TD fanatics who will buy just about anything, wouldn't they better be served by Edgar producing new works of art ? Then Edgar is happier with the work he's putting out, and the TD fanatics have something to buy that Edgar is prouder of. Meanwhile the purists can hoarde better and better bootlegs as the years go by. We have fantastic recordings of the actual Sohoman and Soundmill Navigator concerts, much better than the bootlegs widely available at the time TD released their discs. I guess there is a silver lining to Edgar doctoring concerts--it seems to coax out the good tapes of those shows into the TD collecting community! -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33210 Re: Not Releasing Concerts? Owens, James Thu 4/4/2002 2 KB 33212 Re: Not Releasing Concerts? Wade Gordon Thu 4/4/2002 3 KB 33215 Re: Not Releasing Concerts? Owens, James Thu 4/4/2002 3 KB 33218 Re: Not Releasing Concerts? Bill Fox Thu 4/4/2002 2 KB From: Paul Fellows Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 5:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] hint Re: Dreamwatcher's Tales II Yes, but it was a sort of double-edged hint to Tom Richmond that I haven't received them yet :-) Thanks for the tip anyway... Paul le 4/04/02 17:54, Gustavo Jobim à gustavojobim@n... a écrit : > From time to time someone posts a message like this. > > I'm not annoyed at all by this kind of message, but maybe you don't know we > can see the members list at the Yahoogroups page. Now, I'm not sure you can > see the 'Conrad Gibbons' name (no time to check that now), but I'm sure you > can see the email address and the yahoo ID - maybe a cgibbons, conradg... > there's a possibility that by searching there you (anyone) can find who > you're looking for and avoid sending such messages to the list. > > anyway, just a hint. > regards > GJ np. Georg Trakl (KS - X) > >> Sorry for this post, but could Conrad Gibbons contact me re. my copies of >> DreamWatcher's Tales II, I've lost his e-mail address due to a change of >> computer... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 5:54 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Off Topic- POND I think that CD was called Maschinenmench or something close to that... I used to have a copy, but sold it long ago... There were a couple interesting tracks (including a remake of an Ennio Morricone piece if memeory serves)... I think a few tracks of theirs may also appear on the Erdenklang LOOKING EAST, ELECTRONIC EAST series. MJ Original Message: ----------------- From: Wade Gordon mindvoyager1@y... Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:00:07 -0800 (PST) To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Off Topic- POND Hey gang I know that POND had recorded a project at Chris Frankes studio in Berlin. Does anyone out there know any information about it? Also, does anyone know how I can get any POND discs? Contact me privately if necessary. All the best, Wade __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Are you on the tree yet? Go to http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33211 Re: Off Topic- POND Wade Gordon Thu 4/4/2002 4 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 6:53 pm Subject: [tree] SHN I have one more copy of the SHNs of the Tangerine Tree available. Contact me off-list feldon @ feldoncentral.com if you need it. -Morgan From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 7:31 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Not Releasing Concerts? So what do you think the chances are of us getting an official release of a 1978 concert with Steve Joliffe's shouting entact? **wink** James > -----Original Message----- > I guess there is a silver lining to > Edgar doctoring > concerts--it seems to coax out the good tapes of those shows > into the TD > collecting community! > > -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33212 Re: Not Releasing Concerts? Wade Gordon Thu 4/4/2002 3 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 7:42 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Off Topic- POND Yea, that's the animal. The Erdenklang c.d. is all I have and if it is an indicator for things to come then baby bring it on. In other words I like it. I think I will strike off an e-mail to Rudy or Chris and ask about what happened. Yours truly, Wade --- 'michaeljean@e...' wrote: > I think that CD was called Maschinenmench or > something close to that... > I used to have a copy, but sold it long ago... There > were a couple interesting tracks (including a remake > of an Ennio Morricone piece if memeory serves)... I > think a few tracks of theirs may also appear on the > Erdenklang LOOKING EAST, ELECTRONIC EAST series. > > MJ > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Wade Gordon mindvoyager1@y... > Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:00:07 -0800 (PST) > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Off Topic- POND > > > Hey gang I know that POND had recorded a project at > Chris Frankes studio in Berlin. Does anyone out > there > know any information about it? Also, does anyone > know > how I can get any POND discs? > > Contact me privately if necessary. > > All the best, > > Wade > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From: Wade Gordon Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 7:46 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Not Releasing Concerts? Dear James, Why don't you ask Steve J. that question. He is not that hard to get a hold of. I will tell you have to contact him privately. Wade --- 'Owens, James' wrote: > So what do you think the chances are of us getting > an official release of a > 1978 concert with Steve Joliffe's shouting entact? > > **wink** > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > I guess there is a silver lining to > > Edgar doctoring > > concerts--it seems to coax out the good tapes of > those shows > > into the TD > > collecting community! > > > > -Morgan > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 7:58 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Colleagues & Guests It's the same as the last time I read it. Having senior moments already? :-) James > -----Original Message----- > http://www.tangerinedream.de/strangers.html > > I just read the above link for the first time in along while, > but it almost seemed I hadn't read it ever before... > > I wonder if it had been rewritten, or if my memory is just > getting bad... haha > > Michael A. Jean From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 8:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: pop-ups Maybe enough people will complain that the next release of Netscape of IE will have a 'turn off pop-ups' option? (We can hope anyway) There are, however many current options for this. The one I'm using is pop-up killer. Unfortunately, the pop-up title has to load first, and if it matches one that you have previously killed, then it gets killed automatically. If it's a new one, you have to say 'Sic 'em, Killer' It's a good program, but what I'd really like to see is a crack for Netscape or IE that disables pop-up links altogether (the negative side would be that automatic re-direction would be disabled as well, but I could live with that...) James > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > You can't go to > any public > site anymore without getting a damn X-10 camera, > classmates.com, ads, stupid > trivia questions, fake message alerts, etc. it's crazy > anymore! These > sites have every right to advertise how they want, but I just > want us to > have our own little ad-free place we can hang out. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33216 Re: OT: pop-ups Michael Fox Thu 4/4/2002 2 KB 33224 Re: OT: pop-ups (fix is to use a good browser) Eirikur Hallgrimsson Fri 4/5/2002 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 9:05 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Not Releasing Concerts? Personally I find the ones I've heard quite entertaining, but I rather doubt that Steve or Edgar are actually interested in releasing any of the 78 concerts. Also, I imagine Edgar reserves the decisive power on releases of TD material. If, for instance, Peter Baumann had some archive tapes from a 1974 TD concert or something, he probably could not legally release them without Edgar's approval, even if he credited the other players, because of the use of the TD name. James > -----Original Message----- > From: Wade Gordon [mailto:mindvoyager1@y...] > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 1:47 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] Not Releasing Concerts? > > > Dear James, > > Why don't you ask Steve J. that question. He is not > that hard to get a hold of. I will tell you have to > contact him privately. > > Wade > --- 'Owens, James' wrote: > > So what do you think the chances are of us getting > > an official release of a > > 1978 concert with Steve Joliffe's shouting entact? > > > > **wink** > > > > James From: Michael Fox Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 9:24 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: pop-ups At 02:48 PM 04/04/2002 -0600, you wrote: > > You can't go to > > any public > > site anymore without getting a damn X-10 camera, Actually, there is a small program that is made for this very pop up. If I can find the URL for it, I'll post it. Mike From: GCall10692@a... Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 11:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland 2CD Hi........... well it looks like there might be another version of a 2 disc Poland my copy is a US version on Relativity from 1984 ..........Disc1 has 2 songs Poland 22:29 and song 2 Tangent 19:59.........Disc 2 song 1 Barbakane 18:00 and song 2 Horizon 21:07. I bought this disc new in 1984 it too is a double jewel box with the 4 page insert and has a blue and white cover... hope this adds to the confusion factor(ha ha) later on .......Gary [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33243 Re: Poland 2CD michael_berling Sat 4/6/2002 3 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 11:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Not Releasing Concerts? -----Original Message----- From: Owens, James >So what do you think the chances are of us getting an official release of a >1978 concert with Steve Joliffe's shouting entact? >**wink** My dictionary doesn't have an entry for 'entact.' I'm sure you mean 'in tact.' Cheers, Bill From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 12:08 am Subject: Poland 2CD >GCall10692 said: >Hi........... well it looks like there might be another version of a 2 disc >Poland >my copy is a US version on Relativity from 1984 ..........Disc1 has 2 >songs Poland 22:29 and song 2 Tangent 19:59.........Disc 2 song 1 Barbakane >18:00 and song 2 Horizon 21:07. I bought this disc new in 1984 it too is a >double jewel box with the 4 page insert and has a blue and white cover... >hope this adds to the confusion factor(ha ha) later on .......Gary What color is the printing on the CDs? Blue on silver or brown on silver? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33228 Re: Poland 2CD Wade Gordon Fri 4/5/2002 3 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 12:11 am Subject: Pop-Ups > Michael Fox said: > >From: Joe Shoults [jshoults@f...] > > You can't go to > > any public > > site anymore without getting a damn X-10 camera, > > Actually, there is a small program that is made for this very pop up. If I > can find the URL for it, I'll post it. > > Mike Opt-out of X-10 pop-ups for 30 days. http://www.x10.com/home/optout.cgi?DAY=30&PAGE=http://www.x10.com/x10ads1.htm Opt-out of a dozen other pop-ups: http://technoerotica.net/mylog/optouts.html VERY useful. It's cut my pop-ups by 2/3rds. -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tomgents' Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 3:02 am Subject: Soundmill (Positive) Well, I finally got round to ordering Soundmill from Sam Goodies, courtesy of a gift card. After all the people telling me not to waste my money on it, I have to say I was very impressed with it. Ok, so it may be 'tangentised', and it may have the annoying noise, but I think its a great record, across between Coefficient and 7 letters, a good mix in my opinion. Is it just me, or does the main theme (starts about 3 mins in) remind me an awful lot of James Newton Howards score for Flatliners. Anyway, before you all rip me to shreds, wait until I take delivery of Inferno in case I like that to. =) Greetings to all, Tom (Melrose) Out of lurk mode From: 'tomgents' Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 3:18 am Subject: Re: green desert dates (was RE: [tadream] First Appearences Of... To me, most of the synth sounds on the album sound very much like DX standars synths used in the mid 80s. Listen to Signs Of Life, On Pink Floyds 'Momentary Lapse of Reason' 1987 lp, and tell me thats not the same synth sounds. By the way, does anybody really like Electronic Meditation so much that they would want green desert to sound just like it? Tom (Melrose) From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 8:36 am Subject: Unheard TD Hi Morgan, nice start for another way to present all this info. You're welcome to use my lists, remarks/corrections, and the info on the KA page, but I'm not going to re-type it all bit by bit into your little comment box ;-) The underlying problem is a complex one, though. The success of the Tangerine Tree project has clearly demonstrated that a lot of fans are interested in 'best possible quality' concert releases. Why are they so hard to find ? Because there are dozens of fans out there who'll happily twiddle and fiddle with their tapes/CDRs in some sound cleanup software, design a (sometimes) nice cover and shove it out to others. On the other hand, there are only a few who take the trouble to hunt for the best surviving tape. Digital cleanup can only be the icing on the cake, the final polishing of a gemstone. Too many out there try to filter gold from shit, with predictable success. In analog tape times, we survived quite well with a subjective 0-10 overall quality scale, and the running time as an indicator of completeness. Some people added mono/stereo or generation info. The former is useful, the latter, more often than not, misleading. What we really need is a concise way to identify the best surviving analog source tape, and to preserve it in un-filtered, digital form. And a 'code of honour' that everybody who takes his wicked way turning one of them into a release, to clearly state the source (FanVault #117, e.g.). A thousand flowers will always blossom, as confirmed by the requests for DIY versions of the Tangerine Tree sources, or 'further improved' versions based on the filtered disks (ack...). But with a clear system, the 'quality concious, but consumer only' fan can get himself a release he knows is based on the best source material, polished and released by his 'favourite remasterer'. Then again, this would destroy another nice confusopoly ;-) cheers, klaus From: Eirikur Hallgrimsson Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 8:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: pop-ups (fix is to use a good browser) Mozilla, the more advanced version of the same code that is Netscape 6.x has this option under the Privacy and Security. No hacks required. I always recommend Mozilla (www.mozilla.org, free download) over other browsers. If you use a Free operating system, you have an even better option, Galeon, a stripped-for-speed version of Mozilla. Both of these have cool things like tabbed browsing (open new windows BEHIND) and other great stuff and NO commercial nonsense at all. You control your computer. Eirikur From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 9:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: pop-ups (fix is to use a good browser) Mozilla isn't more advanced, it't the free open-sourced version of Netscape. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Eirikur Hallgrimsson' To: Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: pop-ups (fix is to use a good browser) > Mozilla, the more advanced version of the same code that is Netscape 6.x > has this option under the Privacy and Security. No hacks required. I > always recommend Mozilla (www.mozilla.org, free download) over other > browsers. > > If you use a Free operating system, you have an even better option, Galeon, > a stripped-for-speed version of Mozilla. > > Both of these have cool things like tabbed browsing (open new windows > BEHIND) and other great stuff and NO commercial nonsense at all. > > You control your computer. > > Eirikur > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33226 Re: OT: pop-ups (fix is to use a good browser) Armin Theissen Fri 4/5/2002 4 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 12:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: pop-ups (fix is to use a good browser) arghh... people, open source development is my *job*. And just now I could not distinguish my tadream mailbox from all the other mails I'm supposed to read.... a. > > Mozilla isn't more advanced, it't the free open-sourced version of Netscape. > > Matt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Eirikur Hallgrimsson' > To: > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:37 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: pop-ups (fix is to use a good browser) > > > > Mozilla, the more advanced version of the same code that is Netscape 6.x > > has this option under the Privacy and Security. No hacks required. I > > always recommend Mozilla (www.mozilla.org, free download) over other > > browsers. > > > > If you use a Free operating system, you have an even better option, > Galeon, > > a stripped-for-speed version of Mozilla. > > > > Both of these have cool things like tabbed browsing (open new windows > > BEHIND) and other great stuff and NO commercial nonsense at all. > > > > You control your computer. > > > > Eirikur > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 3:07 pm Subject: I stand corrected (was:[tadream] Not Releasing Concerts?) Thanks for pointing that out. It's amazing how bad my spelling of infrequently used words is becoming. Time to study up for the grammar portion of the GRE. > -----Original Message----- > My dictionary doesn't have an entry for 'entact.' I'm sure > you mean 'in tact.' > > Cheers, > > Bill From: Wade Gordon Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 4:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland 2CD It should be a Teldec. Teldec manufacturered a single disc version and a double one. Even though Telec is one of the world's greatest c.d. manufactuer's it is day and night compared to the remastered single disc version. And this is the whole package and not the edited on that Teldec put out on one disc. Wade --- Morgan Feldon wrote: > > >GCall10692 said: > >Hi........... well it looks like there might be > another version of a 2 disc > >Poland > >my copy is a US version on Relativity from 1984 > ..........Disc1 has 2 > >songs Poland 22:29 and song 2 Tangent > 19:59.........Disc 2 song 1 Barbakane > >18:00 and song 2 Horizon 21:07. I bought this disc > new in 1984 it too is a > >double jewel box with the 4 page insert and has a > blue and white cover... > >hope this adds to the confusion factor(ha ha) later > on .......Gary > > > What color is the printing on the CDs? Blue on > silver or brown on silver? > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 5:30 pm Subject: OT: [tree] RE: FTP Access ? [delete if you are not interested in ftp access to tree shn files] [delete this message if you are not interested in ftp access to tree shn files] Hi Phil- No hassle at all! Yes, anyone can have access. We just want to make sure we know who is accessing the server, which is graciously provided by Dale Kay. Please don't share the address with anyone else. You just need to contact me or Dale for the address, and I'm sending it to you in a separate e-mail now, copying the list on this message The file have been broken up into pieces for easier download. You will need to download WinRAR to 'stitch' some of the SHN files back together into complete SHN files. This is in the folder under the root directory called 'this program can be used to join the files'. Install it, run it, select the FIRST section of each track (i.e. tadream1976-11-08d1t01.part01.rar) and click the Wizard button in WinRAR to 'Unpack an archive' (doing this will extract one track at a time). Tell it which folder to send the output to, and it will extract all the files for that particular file as one complete SHN file. Not all of the SHN files have been broken up as RAR files in this manner. The download speed from this server is extremely fat. I downloaded all of Volume 1 in just 90 minutes! If you do not have highspeed access such as on a T1-3, DSL, cable, or even ISDN, I guarantee that this will not work unless you use a download manager. I'm not familiar with any of these except one called GetRight (do a websearch for it). Download managers like this allow for a file to be cut off in mid-download (like if your connection drops), then resume the download once you have reestablished contact with the server. In essence, it makes a non-resumable ftp server resumable because it does it on the client end. GetRight has an FTP client built in, but you'll also like it for normal http downloads! After you have the files, you may want to note that there are a couple of flaws in the Volume 6 Disk 2. There is gaps of silence at the end of track 2 and beginning of track 3, plus 2 gaps in the crowd noise after track 3 starts. For my redbooks, I chopped off the silences at the abutment and smoothly mixed in crowd noise over one of the track 3 gaps so it sounds continuous (I missed one gap though!) Joe -----Original Message----- From: Phil White [mailto:phil_white@b...] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 5:14 PM To: jshoults@f... Subject: FTP Access ? Hi Joe, Can any member of the group get access to the SHN files via FTP ? I would love to get hold of these files as I am still waaaaay down the list of leaves waiting for discs.. Sorry for the hassle Phil ( UK ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz' Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 7:36 pm Subject: THE Canyon Dreams Hi guys! I've got a question about the vinyl release of Canyon Dreams called: 'The Canyon Dreams'. The vinyl contains just seven tracks listed below: Side One 1. Shadow Flyer 7:05 2. Canyon Carver 4:15 3. A Matter Of Time 8:42 Side Two 1. Water's Gift 5:21 2. Canyon Voices 4:23 3. Sudden Revelation 4:48 4. Native Discovery 5:13 The album was released in 1987 by Tangy Records Ltd. and Distributed in Cyprus by Hymnbär Ltd., Limassol, Cyprus. The vinyl is blue! The question is: does anybody know whether it is a legal release or just a bootleg? What is the last track? cheers Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:Jerry@t... Visit my website at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33232 Re: THE Canyon Dreams moxica@m... Fri 4/5/2002 2 KB 33234 Re: THE Canyon Dreams Owens, James Fri 4/5/2002 3 KB 33242 Re: THE Canyon Dreams michael_berling Sat 4/6/2002 3 KB 33250 Re: THE Canyon Dreams Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Sat 4/6/2002 4 KB 33265 THE Canyon Dreams Klaus Beschorner Mon 4/8/2002 2 KB From: Art Of Vision Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 8:52 pm Subject: TD nightlistening Last days I'm having lots of wonderful time listening to music in the afternoon. Sometimes it continues up to 3 or 4 am... Now exploring the depths of Tournado CD, it's 0:52 NP Waterbone. Just excellent track, BTW, and very emotional. Must be a remake of Long Island Sunset... 220 Volts starting !! --- With best regards, Art Of Vision __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From: Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 8:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] THE Canyon Dreams >On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:36:28 +0200 Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz wrote: >I've got a question about the vinyl release of Canyon Dreams called: 'The Canyon Dreams'. The album was released in 1987 by Tangy Records Ltd. and Distributed in Cyprus by Hymnbär Ltd., Limassol, Cyprus. The vinyl is blue! hmmmm... 'Tangy Records', Cyprus, blue vinyl.. Smells like a boot to me! My copy of Voices in the Dunes doesn't list such a release. I also recall Klaus B. reporting the appearance of a similar bootleg pressing several years ago... - jim From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 9:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] synths I got my KARMA tape from Korg yesterday. Had a chance to watch in in the conference room at my day job today. The guy who the K or Karma came from is named Stephen Kay. Does anybody know who he is? Why am I interested? Same last name as mine and this guy almost looks close enough to be a relative. Just scary. Back to the tape, I think Korg might have made it a bit longer than 11 minutes but it was enough to get to think about adding this to my torture room. Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'RJF' To: Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] synths > > >I see your point. I agree with you. They are different. > >What would you use the Z1 for then compared to the 5080? > > The Z1 is a poly synth and the XP is a do it all machine. > > >I am drawn toward > >the 5080 do to its sampler and board expansion. I have not spent as much > >time with the triton rack hence did not know it was a sampler at all. I just > >poke at the presets, sound like korg and moved on. I will go back and play > >with it a bit more now. The Z1 does not sample then? > > Fraid not. > > >You just got your karma huh? That is one heck of deal to get to know it. I > >would say it ranks up there with the Virus. I poked at it a bit too and > >discover I would have to devote some time to it to get to know it. I am > >still learning all the in's and out's of the ms-2000. So how do you feel > >about it so far (karma)? > > It's a bit heavy going, time is needed on this thing. > -- > Richard F > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 10:16 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] THE Canyon Dreams It's a bootleg. The last track (Native Discovery) is not as long as listed, but is actually just over 2 minutes. It is the music that plays during the end credits of the video. All music is taken directly from the video (I'm not sure if it is from VHS or Laserdisc). > -----Original Message----- > From: Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz [mailto:Jerry@t...] > > I've got a question about the vinyl release of Canyon Dreams > called: 'The > Canyon Dreams'. The vinyl contains just seven tracks listed below: > > Side One > 1. Shadow Flyer 7:05 > 2. Canyon Carver 4:15 > 3. A Matter Of Time 8:42 > > Side Two > 1. Water's Gift 5:21 > 2. Canyon Voices 4:23 > 3. Sudden Revelation 4:48 > 4. Native Discovery 5:13 > > The album was released in 1987 by Tangy Records Ltd. and > Distributed in > Cyprus by Hymnbär Ltd., Limassol, Cyprus. The vinyl is blue! > > The question is: does anybody know whether it is a legal > release or just a > bootleg? What is the last track? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33242 Re: THE Canyon Dreams michael_berling Sat 4/6/2002 3 KB 33250 Re: THE Canyon Dreams Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Sat 4/6/2002 4 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 10:52 pm Subject: download speed (was:RE: [tadream] FTP Access ?) It's always nice to have fat bandwidth! > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > The download speed from this server is extremely fat. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33236 Re: download speed (was:RE: [tadream] FTP Access Joe Shoults Fri 4/5/2002 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 11:18 pm Subject: RE: download speed (was:RE: [tadream] FTP Access ?) haha- that happens when aI type too fats > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 5:52 PM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: download speed (was:RE: [tadream] FTP Access ?) > > > It's always nice to have fat bandwidth! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > > > The download speed from this server is extremely fat. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: René Brenner Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 11:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] [GERMANY] TD-scored Tatort running tomorrow I've seen it for the 1st time now. I really enjoyed White Eagle. On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 08:20:21 +0000, Jens Kilian wrote: > FYI: Friday, April 5th 2002, 23:15, the 'Tatort' episode 'Das Maedchen auf > der Treppe' will be shown on ARD. > > http://programm.das-erste.de/detail1.asp?id=X000115146&sdatlo=05.04.02&sender=1 > > Have fun, > > Jens. > -- > mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698) > http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 > PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, > 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 6:18 am Subject: In case Joe and others who might need to contact me. I am going to have a problem with my Internet connection soon, due to changes by the phone company so I may be dark soon. Still mail me, I have ways to gather my mail once I get back to my day job. Fingers crossed and this change from DSL to ATM will happen fast with not too much lost in time. Note the shn files are on a different system so no lost of traffic forseen. Get them out to your leaves! Maybe that was a tad to strong... better use that magic word Please get them out to your leaves! dale From: GCall10692@a... Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 6:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland 2CD Hi........... the printing is blue on silver .........hope it helps Gary [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 7:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] synths -----Original Message----- From: Administrator for kay-net.com >I got my KARMA tape from Korg yesterday. Had a chance to watch in in the [snip] >Back to the tape, I think Korg might have made it a bit longer than 11 >minutes but it was enough to get to think about adding this to my torture >room. What a lousy video. It's all 'We think it's great so you should, too' I expected more of a demo of 'Here's what it can do and how you make it do it.' More demos of more genres not testimonials is what I wanted. Cheers, Bill np: Beyond the Barriers with Lunar Ladder on WMUH 91.7 FM Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33244 Re: synths RJF Sat 4/6/2002 2 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 8:26 am Subject: OT Stephen Kay Stephen Kay is the guy who came up with the software that runs the Triton engine inside the Karma. There was an interview with him in Keyboard I think about a year ago. I think he worked on the concept for about seven years. I think he's from your area. In a message dated 4/6/2002 1:53:31 AM Central Standard Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 17 > Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:01:03 -0800 > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' > Subject: Re: synths > > I got my KARMA tape from Korg yesterday. Had a chance to watch in in the > conference room at my day job today. The guy who the K or Karma came from is > named Stephen Kay. Does anybody know who he is? Why am I interested? Same > last name as mine and this guy almost looks close enough to be a relative. > Just scary. > Back to the tape, I think Korg might have made it a bit longer than 11 > minutes but it was enough to get to think about adding this to my torture > room. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33253 Re: OT Stephen Kay Admin Sun 4/7/2002 4 KB 33280 Re: OT Stephen Kay Admin Tue 4/9/2002 3 KB From: 'michael_berling' Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 11:18 am Subject: Re: THE Canyon Dreams Hi, indeed it's a bootleg. As far as I know it's taken from the Laserdisc. 'Native Discovery' is the same as 'Purple Nightfall' on the official CD. Some of the other tracks are slightly different than on the official CD. 'The Canyon Dreams' was not featured in 'Voices In The Dunes' as the bootleg was released _after_ the book. But (with kind support by Klaus Beschorner) I'm currently working on an extension of the web based 'Voices In The Net' that will include all vinyl and CD bootlegs (but no CD-R). Due to lack of time it will be at least some weeks until the bootleg section will go online. For official releases please check 'Voices In The Net' at http://www.voices-in-the-net.de Regards Michael --- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote: > It's a bootleg. The last track (Native Discovery) is not as long as listed, > but is actually just over 2 minutes. It is the music that plays during the > end credits of the video. All music is taken directly from the video (I'm > not sure if it is from VHS or Laserdisc). > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33250 Re: THE Canyon Dreams Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Sat 4/6/2002 4 KB From: 'michael_berling' Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 11:28 am Subject: Re: Poland 2CD --- In tadream@y..., GCall10692@a... wrote: > Hi........... well it looks like there might be another version of a 2 disc > Poland > my copy is a US version on Relativity from 1984 ..........Disc1 has 2 > songs Poland 22:29 and song 2 Tangent 19:59.........Disc 2 song 1 Barbakane > 18:00 and song 2 Horizon 21:07. I bought this disc new in 1984 it too is a > double jewel box with the 4 page insert and has a blue and white cover... > hope this adds to the confusion factor(ha ha) later on .......Gary > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Hi, in fact there are four well-known 2 CD releases of 'Poland', one from Germany (Teldec) and three (slightly different) from USA (Relativity). The one you mention is already featured in 'Voices In The Net', though it is listed under 1988, not 1984. But, as you say, you bought your copy back in 1984, this might be an error in 'Voices'. I'll fix this. Those four releases feature the complete music (as on the vinyl releases), but the previously unknown version includes some duplicate music while there is some other part missing... Thus I consider it a pirate version... You can check the currently known versions under 'Voices In The Net' (http://www.voices-in-the-net.de), just to avoid confusion... ;-) Regards Michael From: RJF Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 1:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] synths Have to agree, this video has probably done more damage than good. You have to play the Karma to appreciate it. >What a lousy video. It's all 'We think it's great so you should, too' I >expected more of a demo of 'Here's what it can do and how you make it do it.' >More demos of more genres not testimonials is what I wanted. > >Cheers, > >Bill -- Richard F From: atye@a... Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 1:41 pm Subject: Poland official release After all of the discussions back and forth, I finally couldn't stand it any longer.......I went to the closet and dug out my vinyl version of Poland and also my CD copy......For what it matters, here's what I have (with track times).... - 1986: Relativity 2LP [a]: 88561-8045-1; black labels, foc Poland - 22:29 Tangent - 19:59 Barbakane - 18:00 Horizon - 21:07 - 1996: Sequel/Castle CD [c]: 1044-2 Poland - 22:26 Tangent - 19:55 Barbakane - 13:52 Horizon - 20:50 (((descriptions borrowed from Voices In The Dunes, track times are mine))) I only have about 5 or 6 TD/EF vinyl albums that I got 'back in the day'. I remember getting Poland when the local Record Bar chain was closing out all vinyl. Got it for $1.00 unopened (but unfortunately drilled out). Enjoyed talking (however briefly) with you guys in the tadream chat last night...and to think that I thought I was a nut...haha Alex (ATYE) NP: what else?? Poland on CD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33246 Re: Poland official release Synthhtnys@a... Sat 4/6/2002 2 KB 33251 Re: Poland official release albenson Sat 4/6/2002 8 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 1:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland official release In a message dated 4/6/2002 7:41:43 AM Central Standard Time, atye@a... writes: > Enjoyed talking (however briefly) with you guys in the tadream chat last *Did I miss something? Are there regular Friday meetings in the Yahoo chat site? Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 5:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Chat > > Enjoyed talking (however briefly) with you guys in the tadream chat last > >*Did I miss something? Are there regular Friday meetings in the Yahoo chat >site? >Poly I'd ike to knwo too if there're any scheduled chats, 'cos everytime I've checked the chatroom, it has been full of emptiness... But perhaps that's only because when it's day here, you guys in America are probably sleeping... 8 to 12 hours of jetlag is enough to explain the thing. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33248 Re: Chat Gustavo Jobim Sat 4/6/2002 3 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 7:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Chat He was talking about the #tadream IRC channel at kechara.sorcery.net, part 9000. I go there from time to time - the channel has been quite inactive the last months, but it was a pleasant surprise to see it 'crowded' yesterday and the other friday (or saturday?) last week. By 'crowded' I mean around 5 people :) When I connect and see people there, it's usually around midnight here... that's 3 AM GMT. In USA it's around the same time, maybe GMT -4h or -5h (here it's GMT -3). GJ np. Solaris - Los Angeles 2026 p.s. the chat is usually very nice btw :) and they're not scheduled... >> > Enjoyed talking (however briefly) with you guys in the tadream chat last >>*Did I miss something? Are there regular Friday meetings in the Yahoo chat >>site? >>Poly > >I'd ike to knwo too if there're any scheduled chats, 'cos everytime I've >checked the chatroom, it has been full of emptiness... (...) >John Vertical Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 7:19 pm Subject: Re: Poland 2CD >but the previously unknown version includes some duplicate >music while there is some other part missing... Thus I consider it a >pirate version... Hey, Michael, if you start considering every legitimate release with a fuckup on it as a 'pirate', then this section of the discography will enjoy tremendous growth ;-) cheers, klaus From: 'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz' Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 8:38 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: THE Canyon Dreams I acquired the vinyl just yesterday. Indeed it looks like a bootleg release... I think it's a quite rare item. cheers Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:Jerry@t... Visit my website at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ > -----Original Message----- > From: michael_berling [mailto:webmaster@v...] > Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 1:18 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: THE Canyon Dreams > > > Hi, > > indeed it's a bootleg. As far as I know it's taken from the > Laserdisc. 'Native Discovery' is the same as 'Purple Nightfall' on > the official CD. Some of the other tracks are slightly different than > on the official CD. > > 'The Canyon Dreams' was not featured in 'Voices In The Dunes' as the > bootleg was released _after_ the book. But (with kind support by > Klaus Beschorner) I'm currently working on an extension of the web > based 'Voices In The Net' that will include all vinyl and CD bootlegs > (but no CD-R). Due to lack of time it will be at least some weeks > until the bootleg section will go online. > > For official releases please check 'Voices In The Net' at > http://www.voices-in-the-net.de > > Regards > Michael > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote: > > It's a bootleg. The last track (Native Discovery) is not as long > as listed, > > but is actually just over 2 minutes. It is the music that plays > during the > > end credits of the video. All music is taken directly from the > video (I'm > > not sure if it is from VHS or Laserdisc). > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'albenson' Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 10:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland official release Well, I must admit got a big kick out of the 'Poland' discussion... We had a lively discussion sometime back in the Goblin's Club when one esteemed TD colleague posed a simple question, then of course it got answered, but not quite 100% correct. Seeing the flashing diehard light above then I chirped in to clarify. Naturally another esteemed TD colleague questioned me, to which I had to further explain the actual point I was attempting to make and so on and so on (see the archives of late August 2001). ~ROFL~ So, just to confuse the issue a bit more ;-) Here is my TDC lists of 'Poland' related items (sans cassette tapes--you don't want to get into those *now* do you? And, omitting all the live concerts). I only include 'Warsaw in the Sun' here as it's somewhat related. *********************************************************** Poland CDs: a) CD / JE Chip 22 (UK 1984) Single CD (omits the track 'Tangents' and the tracks 'Barbakane' & 'Horizon' are shortened). Yellow tinged front cover. VITD: Entry A (See also the compilations entry). b) CD / JE Chip 22 (France 1984) Single CD (omits the track 'Tangents' and the tracks 'Barbakane' & 'Horizon' are shortened). Yellow tinged front cover. VITD: Entry F c) CD / JE 8.26099 ZP (Germany 1984) As above in description of (a & b) above except has a blue tinged front cover. VITD: Entry H Note: This entry has a different back cover. Describes the usual amount of information whereas the JE Chip 22 presents yet another rendition of the 'Poland' picture which is also given in the booklet insert information in (a & b) above. d) CD / RR 88561-8045-2 (USA 1988) Double CD boxed set. VITD: Entry M e) CD / RR 88561-8045-2 (USA 1993) Double CD compact jewel box case set (slimline). The first such TD release ever offered in this format. (This duo CD post: VITD). f) CD / Sequel America 1044-2 (USA 1996) Contains all four compositions with the 'Barbakane' shortened to 13:49 cut short at the very end (total disc time: 77:06). Digitally remastered using the DQC system. (This CD post VITD). g) CD / Castle CMA CD 568 (USA 2000) As above in (f). (This CD post VITD). ********************************************************************** CD Compilations: 1) Tangerine Dream Collection (1995) CD / JE K101 (UK 1995) The three disc set which includes: 'Poland, The Best of Tangerine Dream and Tyger' This is the special gold CD edition of the Jive Electro releases with the original album cover artwork. Comes in a nifty cardboard box case (no booklet). (This CD set post VITD) ********************************************************************** And, just for the record... ~lol~ Poland (12 inch): h) R / JE HIP 22 (UK 1984) Manufactured and distributed by CBS Records. Two record set / gatefold album. Record sleeves (dust jackets) contain three black & white pictures, plus technical infor- mation. JE world map labels / Twelve inch LP. (M) VITD: Entry A (ii) a (x) i) R / JE HIP X 22 (UK 1984) Manufactured and distributed by CBS Records. Two 'picture disc' record set in double clear plastic sleeve covers. Twelve inch LP (G-E) VITD: Entry A (ii) b j) R / RR EMC 8045 (USA 1986) Two record set / gatefold album. RR electrical storm labels / Twelve inch LP. (M) VITD: Entry K (i) Warsaw in the Sun: Part A (12 inch): a) R / JE T 74 (USA 1984) Side A: 'Warsaw in the Sun' Parts 1 & 2 (4:47 & 3:00). Side B 'Polish Dance' (5:58) and 'Rare Bird' (3:56). Artwork in the flexi-album cover is the same as the color poster and back cover of 'Exit' (Electro 5E-557). Twelve inch LP 45 RPM. (E-M) VITD: Entry 4 A (i) b) R / JZ 6.20382 AE (Germany 1984) As in description of (a) above, but this record has a stiff flexi-album cover and has printed on the front (in a rectangular box) 'Maxi-Single 45 RPM.' The record is pressed in clear red vinyl with the JE world map labels. (VG-E) VITD: Entry 4 A (ii) Warsaw in the Sun: Part B (7 inch): a) R / JZ 6.14 254 AC (Germany 1984) Side A 'Warsaw in the Sun' (3:53), and Side B 'Polish Dance' (4:20) Picture sleeves. JE blue labels. Pressed by TELDEC (E) VITD: Entry 10 A (i) b (x) b) R / JE Jive 74 (UK 1984) Side A 'Warsaw in the Sun' (3:53), and Side B 'Polish Dance' (4:20) Picture sleeves. JE world map labels. Manufactured and distributed by CBS Records / non-gloss cover. (E) VITD: Entry 10 A (ii) c) R / JE P 74 (UK 1984) The special edition seven-inch 45 RPM release of the picture disc shaped in the country of Poland. Contains on Side A 'Warsaw in the Sun' (3:54), and Side B 'Polish Dance' (5:57). Record released in clear plastic sleeve / with gloss cover. (VG) VITD: Entry 10 A (iii) d) R / Tonpress S-575 (Poland 1985) Side A 'Warsaw in the Sun' (3:57), and Side B 'Polish Dance' (5:38). Tonpress stamped pressed labels / non- gloss cover. Licensed from Tadream Productions (West Berlin) (VG) VITD: Entry 10 A (iv) _______________________________________________________ Abbreviations used: Record Companies: JE = Jive Electro JZ = Jive Zomba RR = Relativity Records Records (Condition): G = Good VG = Very Good E = Excellent M = Mint R = Record LP = Long Play RPM = Revolutions Per Minute ************************************************************** I *keep* the entries for 'Poland' & 'Warsaw in the Sun' separated, etc. Then, of course, there is the Japan 1983 tour...:-) Simply marvelous! Besides, I did get to construct my TD motto #4 as a result of that exer- cise (they range from #1 to #19, and I compose them out of any specific order). It goes something like this: TD motto #4: 'As TD diehard individuals we each know one hell of a lot--collectively we know just about everything--TD wise!' OK--that's it... Notwithstanding even I get confused sometimes too (blue tinged, yellow tinged, compact, double box, slimline--sheesh!). Best Always, -- Al Berkeley, CA / USA ********************** My TD personal homepage: http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html PS: I have not personally timed all the records above. Naturally, check VITD for all the rest! _____________________________________________ From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Apr 7, 2002 1:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] synths I am so glad to hear that. Do you have a KARMA? I have a idea I have been working on for a bit with some others who have the contacts I need to accomplish such a idea. I want to even tie that into a training for MIDI and recording. I too feel the same way but after all it was a hype opps. I ment a advertisement tape. I want to go a bit beyond the sales tape and make something a bit more useful to learn from. I am not ready to poke the group here or anyone else yet till I have a bit more organization tot his idea. I even need to send out to potential markets a tickle to see if there exist a need that can be filled. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Bill Fox' To: Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] synths > -----Original Message----- > From: Administrator for kay-net.com > > >I got my KARMA tape from Korg yesterday. Had a chance to watch in in the > [snip] > >Back to the tape, I think Korg might have made it a bit longer than 11 > >minutes but it was enough to get to think about adding this to my torture > >room. > > What a lousy video. It's all 'We think it's great so you should, too' I > expected more of a demo of 'Here's what it can do and how you make it do it.' > More demos of more genres not testimonials is what I wanted. > > Cheers, > > Bill > np: Beyond the Barriers with Lunar Ladder on WMUH 91.7 FM > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Apr 7, 2002 2:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT Stephen Kay Yea I gather that and more off the Karma-Links.com site also karmalinks.com of something similar to that. We might be related. If I still had as much hair on the top of my head we might pass as brothers. Even his fingers on the keyboard is the same style I use. His nose is also my nose. Just scary. If we are not, no big deal just a coincidence. I have to get my A5000 sampler first. Get to know it before I add anything else. I got a note from cakewalk a few days ago about a upgrade. Then there is the many main boards I have in boxes that were fine but taken from systems I upgraded. I have plans for one to use only the sampler and lights. Yea the list go on and on. I was even thinking I could link the KARMA to the A5000 as well as into my MS2000 to produce some interesting sounds. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 12:26 AM Subject: [tadream] OT Stephen Kay > Stephen Kay is the guy who came up with the software that runs the Triton > engine inside the Karma. There was an interview with him in Keyboard I think > about a year ago. I think he worked on the concept for about seven years. > > I think he's from your area. > > > In a message dated 4/6/2002 1:53:31 AM Central Standard Time, > tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > > > > Message: 17 > > Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:01:03 -0800 > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' > > Subject: Re: synths > > > > I got my KARMA tape from Korg yesterday. Had a chance to watch in in the > > conference room at my day job today. The guy who the K or Karma came from is > > named Stephen Kay. Does anybody know who he is? Why am I interested? Same > > last name as mine and this guy almost looks close enough to be a relative. > > Just scary. > > Back to the tape, I think Korg might have made it a bit longer than 11 > > minutes but it was enough to get to think about adding this to my torture > > room. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Apr 7, 2002 3:26 am Subject: Weekly Chats >From: Synthhtnys@a... >Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 1:47 pm >Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland official release > >ATye said: > > Enjoyed talking (however briefly) with you guys in the tadream chat last > >*Did I miss something? Are there regular Friday meetings in the Yahoo chat >site? >Poly The Yahoo chat is problematic because of its poor java implementation. Also, everyone has to dig up their login and password to get to it. Several of us chat on an IRC (Internet Relay Chat) server typically on Friday and Saturday afternoons through evenings. It can be difficult to catch one of us due to the gaps between when the European chatters come and go, and when the American chatters come and go. Last night we had 6 people, and we've had as many as 10 people before. The chat is very free-form and we try to keep it friendly. The chat is now helmed by Flemming (AirWave), although he is only in the chat at times reasonable to a European. Getting into the chat is a bit complicated, but I have prepared a downloadable copy of the chat program which has already been set up to connect to the chat and bring you into the discussion right away. You can download this here: http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe Download it and run it. It will want to save itself to a new folder on your hard drive 'tadreamChat'. You may save the chat program somewhere else if you like, as long as it's convenient. Now that you've done that, open it up and double-click on the file named 'mIRC'. In about 30 seconds, it should bring you into the chat. If not, e-mail me and we'll do everything we can to help you get into the chat. -Morgan P.S. There is a great java (Web) chat, but I cannot make it point to the same chat server we have been using for 3 years, so it would be tough to move now. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33255 Re: Weekly Chats Admin Sun 4/7/2002 2 KB 33257 Re: Weekly Chats John Vertical Sun 4/7/2002 2 KB 33258 Re: Weekly Chats Szatmari Pal Sun 4/7/2002 2 KB 33263 Re: Weekly Chats quarlie@a... Mon 4/8/2002 2 KB 33268 Re: Weekly Chats Joe Shoults Mon 4/8/2002 2 KB 33330 Weekly Chats Morgan Feldon Fri 4/12/2002 4 KB 33331 Re: Weekly Chats Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 4/12/2002 5 KB 33784 Weekly Chats Morgan Feldon Fri 5/10/2002 4 KB 33826 Rockoon Volt Records Paul Fellows Sun 5/12/2002 2 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Apr 7, 2002 8:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Weekly Chats If you have not tried this chat, you should. It was great, worked fine and very usefull. Dale > You can download this here: > http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe > > Download it and run it. It will want to save itself to a new folder on your > hard drive 'tadreamChat'. You may save the chat program somewhere else if > you like, as long as it's convenient. Now that you've done that, open it up > and double-click on the file named 'mIRC'. In about 30 seconds, it should > bring you into the chat. If not, e-mail me and we'll do everything we can > to help you get into the chat. > > -Morgan > > P.S. There is a great java (Web) chat, but I cannot make it point to the > same chat server we have been using for 3 years, so it would be tough to > move now. From: 'michael_berling' Date: Sun Apr 7, 2002 5:09 pm Subject: 'Voices In The Net' updated Hi, only a short note to inform those interested: 'Voices In The Net' has been updated today. Besides several minor additions and corrections, all release details about Edgar's solo records have been added. http://www.voices-in-the-net.de BTW: Due to limited server space I have removed the covers of the Tangerine Tree SHN edition. So those who have linked to that page should remove their 'dead' links now (hi, Al!)... Regards Michael Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33259 'Voices In The Net' updated albenson Sun 4/7/2002 4 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Apr 7, 2002 5:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Weekly Chats >If you have not tried this chat, you should. It was great, worked fine and >very usefull. > >Dale > > > You can download this here: > > http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe What about us Mac users? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From: Szatmari Pal Date: Sun Apr 7, 2002 5:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Weekly Chats >What about us Mac users? > >John Vertical There is a program called Ircle. Install it, then log on a Sorcerynet server, join the #tadream channel and there you go. From: 'albenson' Date: Sun Apr 7, 2002 7:09 pm Subject: 'Voices In The Net' updated The webmaster of 'Voices In The Net' wrote: > Hi, > > only a short note to inform those interested: 'Voices In The Net' > has been updated today. Besides several minor additions and > corrections, all release details about Edgar's solo records have > been added. Hip - Hip - Harrah! > http://www.voices-in-the-net.de > > BTW: Due to limited server space I have removed the covers > of the Tangerine Tree SHN edition. So those who have linked > to that page should remove their 'dead' links now (hi, Al!)... > > Regards > Michael ___________________________________________________ Micheal -- Thanks for the 'TD diehard' heads up! ;-) And, to remind *me* to take that dead link out -- now! Oh well, space is always the problem even with today's Gigabytes which will someday soon also be obsolete as well I suppose... ;-( Besides, *keep* up the great work! Hope you enjoyed my little 'Re: [tadream] Poland official release' post recently. As, I'm sure that you, Peter, Rolf & Siggy just quietly smiled... That TD diehard from Berzerkeley only ~seventeen~ entries sans the cassette tapes? ~lol~ Best Always, -- Al Berkeley, CA / USA ****************** My TD personal homepage: http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html NP: It's a great Tadream Tree and a fabulous start... Just take your pick of: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 or 8! PS: Heiko *da* diehard T-tree man... I've got my TD diehard fingers crossed... Let's hope we can solve our communication snafu soon, or my diehard guestbook 'private entries' feature are reserved only for you my good friend... :-))) PPS: Jabberwock -- package being sent out tomorrow -- work your TD diehard *magic!* Everyone else still working on life and TD backlog. Hopefully S-O-O-N now... :-))) ______________________________________________ From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Apr 7, 2002 8:45 pm Subject: Tadream Chat >John Vertical said: > >What about us Mac users? Download version 3.0.4 of IRCLE or another IRC client. Ircle can be found here: http://www.ircle.com/download.shtml Alas, I don't have a Mac here or I would prepare a connection script for you. Until I can, the server you want to connect to is irc.sorcery.net 9000 If you can bring up a Status or console-type window in IRCLE, then type these three exact instructions: /nick tadreamfan2 /server irc.sorcery.net 9000 /join #tadream You may need to wait 30 seconds after typing the /server command. If typing /join #tadream doesn't work, just wait a few seconds and try it again. On the right side of the screen, you should see a 'Nick list' window pop up. If you see more than one name (I'm logged in as feldon26), then there are people there to chat! Please say Hi and give us a chance to respond. We might be spinning up a CD or grabbing a bite to eat. Hope to see you in the chat! -Morgan From: 'rugratsfan02 ....' Date: Sun Apr 7, 2002 10:53 pm Subject: Looking for details on a live show Hey all, wanted to post a quick note about a show I received the other day, and wanted to find out if anyone had any information about this? ALL I have is it dated 02/04/75, and that's it. NO songlist, setlist, song titles, venues, notta. Anyone have a great link that I could simply type in the date and find information about it? I know there are several I've used for live Floyd shows, as well as some Marillion shows (although the venues are right, the setlists are so screwed up it isn't funny, but I know all their songs so that's no big deal) thanks, anyone have anything, please e-mail me off the list. The quality is absolutely awesome, BUT I'd like to know where the show was at, and what I'm listening to. thanks. peace. dan Kayleigh's Playhouse - LIVE IN 3D!!! http://www.kayleighsplayhouse.com PRIVATE MESSAGE BOARD - LIVE CD Bootleg Trading! AOL/Praize Messenger (winnietiggerfan), MSN Messenger!!!Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33262 Re: Looking for details on a live show Matthew Sawyer Mon 4/8/2002 3 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 2:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Looking for details on a live show From: 'rugratsfan02 ....' > Hey all, wanted to post a quick note about a show I received the > other day, and wanted to find out if anyone had any information > about this? ALL I have is it dated 02/04/75, and that's it. NO > songlist, setlist, song titles, venues, notta. The venue was the Royal Albert Hall, London, and there are at least 3 bootlegs of this concert: If it's a 2 disc version with an announcers voice at the start, you have 'Ruby in the Sky'. If it's 2 discs and no annoucer, you have 'Coefficient of Aural Expansion'. If it's one disc, you have 'Phadream'. These sites should also help: http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/ http://www.lpool.demon.co.uk/tdblist1.htm http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/concertdates.html Maff _______________________________________________ www.tachyon-tv.co.uk www.maff.da.ru www.mst3uk.com www.eclipsecafe.com From: quarlie@a... Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 4:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Weekly Chats In a message dated 4/7/02 1:56:55 PM, johnvertical@h... writes: >What about us Mac users? http://www.snak.com/ Although I haven't used either one in some time, I always found Snak much better than ircle. --Daniel NP: King's X - Manic Moonlight From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 6:24 am Subject: 02.04.75 >rugratsfan02 said: >Hey all, wanted to post a quick note about a show I received the other >day, and >wanted to find out if anyone had any information about this? ALL I have is it >dated 02/04/75, and that's it. NO songlist, setlist, song titles, venues, >notta. Assuming this is Tangerine Dream, this is the Royal Albert Hall show in England on April 2nd, 1975. There are several sources of this show, including the bootlegs Phaedream, Coefficient of Aural Expansion, etc. All were taken off the radio or from a mono tape from the studio. If you like it, wait for a couple months as the best possible source (best source I've ever heard!) is coming from Heiko's Tangerine Tree II. Stereo FM Transcription master from the BBC studio. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33267 Re: 02.04.75 Gustavo Jobim Mon 4/8/2002 2 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 6:51 am Subject: THE Canyon Dreams >I acquired the vinyl just yesterday. Indeed it looks like a bootleg >release... I think it's a quite rare item. Jerry, I hate to burst the bubble, but there are so many of these (and they were released just at a time when people abandoned vinyl for good) that the bootlegger actually gave them away as surprise gifts with other orders. And, ten years later, he still has plenty left ;-) Same applies for 'Bicycle Race'. BTW, for those of you who still collect vinyl, please have a look at my list http://www.caby.de/Music/swaplist.txt best regards, klaus From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 9:15 am Subject: homepage update Hi all, I have updated the infos on my homepage, they may be useful for some ongoing 'projects' ;-) http://www.caby.de/Music remcorr - lots of new infos about mis-labeled TD tapes and CDRs swaplist - a lot of rare TD vinyl, CDs and 'paper goods' for swap or sale against fair offers. Check out the 'other bands' section for more electronic music. bootvupd - the latest updates from the TD bootleg front mainlist - many errors corrected, a lot of Hawkwind&Co. deleted newstuff - only a few additions, but many, many open fields for playing time and quality filled. The next update (next week ?) should also fill most of the gaps in the TD section and include the T.Tree CDRs into my quality rating system. This is probably the last time that I'll keep my lists so fragemented. Soon, I'll merge mainlist, newstuff and videos into one, and then issue (quarterly ?) updates, this should make life easier for my regular trade partners. check'em out ! best regards, klaus From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 6:10 pm Subject: Re: 02.04.75 regarding 'Coefficient...' > If you like it, wait for a couple months as the best possible source (best source I've ever heard!) is coming from Heiko's Tangerine Tree II. Stereo FM Transcription master from the BBC studio. > -Morgan AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGHHHH! *BAM!!!* *GJ starts gathering his brain fragments after an explosion of sudden total happiness* ;) From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 4:19 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Weekly Chats way cool. thanks, Morgan! > -----Original Message----- > From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] . > connect to the chat and bring you into the discussion right away. > > You can download this here: > http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 4:32 pm Subject: VitN boot update question Hello Michael, I was wondering if you will be including track titles and times? As you probably know I've compiled quite a list of these, but they cover primarily CD and CDR, with very little Vinyl info. However, with so much transfer from LP to CDR going on, it might be nice to have this info so that people can discover what the source of that unnamed track on their last trade disc is. James > -----Original Message----- > From: michael_berling [mailto:webmaster@v...] > Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 1:18 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: THE Canyon Dreams > > But (with kind support by > Klaus Beschorner) I'm currently working on an extension of the web > based 'Voices In The Net' that will include all vinyl and > CD bootlegs > (but no CD-R). Due to lack of time it will be at least some weeks > until the bootleg section will go online. > > For official releases please check 'Voices In The Net' at > http://www.voices-in-the-net.de Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33270 Re: VitN boot update question Owens, James Mon 4/8/2002 2 KB 33272 Re: VitN boot update question michael_berling Mon 4/8/2002 3 KB 33273 Re: VitN boot update question Joe Shoults Mon 4/8/2002 2 KB 33274 Re: VitN boot update question Joe Shoults Mon 4/8/2002 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 4:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] VitN boot update question OOOOOPSSS Hit send too quick. Sorry. From: 'maggior' Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 4:45 pm Subject: Artwork for DreamWatcher's Tales I Hi, I have searched all over the place but cannot find the artwork for the first DreamWatcher's Tales set. The images from the list's homepage (tadream.net) doesn't have the images for the jewel case inserts. If somebody could direct me to where I can find the printable jewel case artwork for these CDs, I'd appreciate it. Thanks! Rich Maggio BTW, these Tangerine Tree discs are AWESOME. Kudos to all of those involved in making this project happen. I look forward to the 2nd installment (I saw a mention of Tangerine Tree #2 in a recent message - it made somebody's head explode as I recall ;-). Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33277 Re: Artwork for DreamWatcher's Tales I Joe Shoults Mon 4/8/2002 3 KB From: 'michael_berling' Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 5:22 pm Subject: Re: VitN boot update question --- In tadream@y..., 'Owens, James' wrote: > Hello Michael, > > I was wondering if you will be including track titles and times? As you > probably know I've compiled quite a list of these, but they cover primarily > CD and CDR, with very little Vinyl info. However, with so much transfer > from LP to CDR going on, it might be nice to have this info so that people > can discover what the source of that unnamed track on their last trade disc > is. > > James > Hi James, yes, VitN will include the same information for bootlegs as for official releases, i.e. cover photos, track lists (incl. the official name of the composition and the alleged fantasy title, if any) with running times, and some background notes. In fact, I'm already using your list (as provided on Klaus' web site) as an additional (and very valuable) source for my 'investigations'. Anyway, VitN will be limited to vinyl and CD bootlegs (with maybe the exception of one or another collectible MC or CD-R release like 'White Cloths' for example), because editing a catalog of all boot CD-Rs in this extensive form would be a sisyphus work (as we say in Germany). I think it's rather impossible to keep track of all those releases on recordable media that have emerged from TD fans' and collectors' vaults in the recent years... On the other hand it is obvious that those 'official' bootlegs listed in VitN in many cases are no longer the best sources for live material, e.g. Tangerine Tree made Me-Rad obsolete, and who knows what Tangerine Tree II will bring? ;-) So the bootleg section of VitN will rather be a kind of 'historical' overview about collectible items than a current list of available music material. Regards Michael From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 5:49 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] VitN boot update question it owuld also be neat to know what is on the tapes from the old tape trees, and have that info in a permanent locatoin such as this. > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > from LP to CDR going on, it might be nice to have this info > so that people > can discover what the source of that unnamed track on their > last trade disc is. > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: michael_berling [mailto:webmaster@v...] > > But (with kind support by > > Klaus Beschorner) I'm currently working on an extension of the web > > based 'Voices In The Net' that will include all vinyl and > > CD bootlegs > From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 5:52 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: VitN boot update question > -----Original Message----- > From: michael_berling [mailto:webmaster@v...] > On the other hand it is obvious that those 'official' bootlegs listed > in VitN in many cases are no longer the best sources for live It would be nice to have them (the old boots) listed anyway, if only for historical reference. Even though TT made Me-Rad obsolete, there are plenty of people out there with it I would imagine. > material, e.g. Tangerine Tree made Me-Rad obsolete, and who knows > what Tangerine Tree II will bring? ;-) ;-) good things. we'll keep you informed! From: 'convention24' Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 7:05 pm Subject: Off Topic (Acoustic LSD). Hello Yesterday i went to a car boot sale about 15 mile form where i live,while scouring through the many stalls of the usual array of gear,i approached a guy whom had a small box of cds on his table,while scurrying through this box i came across a find that had my heart racing,i looked at the spaced out cover and saw Tangerine dream (Acoustic LSD) 'The emerald beyond' not a copy but an original boot cat no CA 26893,i had a copy on CDR but not the original,trying not to look to excited i asked the guy HOW MUCH,he said give us a pound mate,i was having an orgasm on the spot.The CD is in ex condition without a mark on it and with only 500 worldwide i was tremendously chuffed to come across this item,some of Edgars wildest guitar riffs on this beauty,the CD states Live in Seattle,but im sure its Detroit(the heavy metal city) of the same year 1977,so next time youre out there in the car boot sale chaps,keep your eyes peeled for the unexpected. Best regards Colin South Wales UK. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33276 Re: Off Topic (Acoustic LSD). Joe Shoults Mon 4/8/2002 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 7:46 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Off Topic (Acoustic LSD). I always do. I know that if I find a copy of the legendary 'The Keep' LP that I'll be able to sell it to Steve Feldman for his life savings and wages for the next 40 years or so. ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: convention24 [mailto:convention24@y...] ... > youre out there in the car boot sale chaps,keep your eyes peeled for > the unexpected. > From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 7:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Artwork for DreamWatcher's Tales I the only artwork I had is on the tadream.net site at the Dreamwatchers Tales I page: http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/covbackcopier.jpg 260kb http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/covbak-sm.jpg 12k http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/cover1-sm.jpg 35k http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/ http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/ http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/ http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/ http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/ http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/ http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/ http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/ if anyone has other, please let me know and I'll add it to the page. > -----Original Message----- > From: maggior [mailto:maggior@m...] > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:46 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Artwork for DreamWatcher's Tales I > > > Hi, > > I have searched all over the place but cannot find the artwork for > the first DreamWatcher's Tales set. The images from the list's > homepage (tadream.net) doesn't have the images for the jewel case > inserts. > > If somebody could direct me to where I can find the printable jewel > case artwork for these CDs, I'd appreciate it. > > Thanks! > Rich Maggio > > BTW, these Tangerine Tree discs are AWESOME. Kudos to all of those > involved in making this project happen. I look forward to the 2nd > installment (I saw a mention of Tangerine Tree #2 in a recent > message - it made somebody's head explode as I recall ;-). > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 8:01 pm Subject: FW: [tadream] Artwork for DreamWatcher's Tales I oops! I wasn't done with that one! -----Original Message----- From: Joe Shoults Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 3:59 PM To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [tadream] Artwork for DreamWatcher's Tales I the only artwork I had is on the tadream.net site at the Dreamwatchers Tales I page: http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/covbackcopier.jpg 260kb http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/covbak-sm.jpg 12k http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/cover1-sm.jpg 35k http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/cover01copier.jpg 759k http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/covercopier.jpg 395k http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/preview.jpg 450k http://tadream.net/musos/dwassets/serifcopier.jpg 193k if anyone has other, please let me know and I'll add it to the page. > -----Original Message----- > From: maggior [mailto:maggior@m...] > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:46 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Artwork for DreamWatcher's Tales I > > > Hi, > > I have searched all over the place but cannot find the artwork for > the first DreamWatcher's Tales set. The images from the list's > homepage (tadream.net) doesn't have the images for the jewel case > inserts. From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 11:38 pm Subject: update www.tadream.de this info was added today April 8th...on www.tadream.de --TD perform 'Inferno' in Berlin! On June 15th, Tangerine Dream will perform 'Inferno', the first part of their trilogy based on Dante Alighieri's 'La Divina Commedia', in another scenic location - the 'Museumsinsel' (museum island) in Berlin's old city center. The stage will be set over the magnificent backdrop of the old National Gallery, right in the middle of a site that is considered one of the architectural highlights of Germany's capital. Combined with an extravagant set design and dazzling lights and visuals, this concert will most likely be one of the most spectacular open-air-events of the year and a once-in-lifetime experience. Share the magic and join the band in one of the most incredible musical journeys. Tickets can be ordered at: www.ticketonline.de. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From: 'Admin' Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 4:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT Stephen Kay My wife did a bit of research today and found out Stephen Kay's dad had his name changed so Kay isn't the real last name. Still the jury is out but the coincidence is just that. Just a likeness and some common ground in music. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 1:26 AM Subject: [tadream] OT Stephen Kay > Stephen Kay is the guy who came up with the software that runs the Triton > engine inside the Karma. There was an interview with him in Keyboard I think > about a year ago. I think he worked on the concept for about seven years. > > I think he's from your area. > > > In a message dated 4/6/2002 1:53:31 AM Central Standard Time, > tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > > > > Message: 17 > > Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:01:03 -0800 > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' > > Subject: Re: synths > > > > I got my KARMA tape from Korg yesterday. Had a chance to watch in in the > > conference room at my day job today. The guy who the K or Karma came from is > > named Stephen Kay. Does anybody know who he is? Why am I interested? Same > > last name as mine and this guy almost looks close enough to be a relative. > > Just scary. > > Back to the tape, I think Korg might have made it a bit longer than 11 > > minutes but it was enough to get to think about adding this to my torture > > room. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: scfeldman@j... Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 5:55 am Subject: Offtopic: Molasar's Acid Flashback On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:46:25 -0400 Joe Shoults writes: >I always do. I know that if I find a copy of the legendary >'The Keep' LP that I'll be able to sell it to Steve Feldman >for his life savings and wages for the next 40 years or so. >;-) Well, hardy har har. Considering that the TDI KEEP CDs are going for $400+ a whack these days, and that the Blue Moon discs even get up to the $200 mark sometimes, I shudder to think what the LP would go for. X-0 Steven sometimes, Stephanie sometimes -- always Me http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TransRomance listowner http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 7:45 am Subject: Test Just checkin' if my #*!'#°$%&!! email system is working again. From: 'Grant M Somerville' Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 9:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Test Seems to be #*!'#°$%&!! fine ; ) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Heiko Heerssen' To: Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 8:45 AM Subject: [tadream] Test > Just checkin' if my #*!'#°$%&!! email system is working again. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33284 Re: Test mars103nl Tue 4/9/2002 2 KB From: 'mars103nl' Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 9:41 am Subject: Re: Test Well not exactly. One word is not coming through... Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... --- In tadream@y..., 'Grant M Somerville' wrote: > Seems to be #*!'#°$%&!! fine ; ) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Heiko Heerssen' > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 8:45 AM > Subject: [tadream] Test > > > > Just checkin' if my #*!'#°$%&!! email system is working again. > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'albenson' Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 10:06 am Subject: Re: Test Marcel made the acute TD diehard observation: > Well not exactly. > One word is not coming through... Oh, I *know* that word... [#*!'#°$%&!!] Heiko uses it *all* the time! ;-) Best Always, -- Al Berkeley, CA / USA ******************* My TD personal homepage: http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html ______________________________________________________ > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Grant M Somerville' > wrote: >> Seems to be #*!'#°$%&!! fine ; ) >> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: 'Heiko Heerssen' >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 8:45 AM >>> Subject: [tadream] Test >>> >>> >>> Just checkin' if my #*!'#°$%&!! email system is working again. From: 'gmroger' Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 2:01 pm Subject: Artwork for Dreamwatchers' Tales 2? Just received the discs in the post today (thank you!). Does anyone know where I can get hold of the artwork for the sleeve, liner notes, discs, etc? Was any produced? Regards Roger Hartopp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33287 Artwork for Dreamwatchers' Tales 2? gmroger Tue 4/9/2002 2 KB 33289 Re: Artwork for Dreamwatchers' Tales 2? maggior Tue 4/9/2002 2 KB From: 'gmroger' Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 2:02 pm Subject: Artwork for Dreamwatchers' Tales 2? Just received the discs in the post today (thank you!). Does anyone know where I can get hold of the artwork for the sleeve, liner notes, discs, etc? Was any produced? Regards Roger Hartopp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33289 Re: Artwork for Dreamwatchers' Tales 2? maggior Tue 4/9/2002 2 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 3:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Test I think I see a typo. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'albenson' To: 'Tadream' Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 3:06 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Test > > Marcel made the acute TD diehard observation: > > > Well not exactly. > > One word is not coming through... > > Oh, I *know* that word... > [#*!'#°$%&!!] > Heiko uses it *all* the time! ;-) > > Best Always, > -- Al > Berkeley, CA / USA > ******************* > > My TD personal homepage: > http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html > ______________________________________________________ > > Marcel > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > > mengels@w... > > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'Grant M Somerville' > > wrote: > >> Seems to be #*!'#°$%&!! fine ; ) > >> > >> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: 'Heiko Heerssen' > >>> To: > >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 8:45 AM > >>> Subject: [tadream] Test > >>> > >>> > >>> Just checkin' if my #*!'#°$%&!! email system is working again. > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'maggior' Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 7:46 pm Subject: Re: Artwork for Dreamwatchers' Tales 2? Roger, You can find them here... http://perso.wanadoo.fr/fred_y/dwt/index.htm I just printed them out for myself last night. The artwork is really good. Rich Maggio --- In tadream@y..., 'gmroger' wrote: > Just received the discs in the post today (thank you!). > > Does anyone know where I can get hold of the artwork for the sleeve, > liner notes, discs, etc? Was any produced? > > Regards > Roger Hartopp From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 8:36 pm Subject: 31.01.1980 Palast der Republik 31.01.1980 Palast der Republik... the mythical Afternoon show? Stay tuned. What's on White Cloths is mislabled. That's actually the 2nd set of the evening show. -Morgan n.p. 31.01.1980 Palast der Republik Afternoon Show [41:02] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33291 Re: 31.01.1980 Palast der Republik Owens, James Tue 4/9/2002 4 KB 33292 Re: 31.01.1980 Palast der Republik Matthew Sawyer Tue 4/9/2002 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 9:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 31.01.1980 Palast der Republik You're essentially correct, Morgan, except that your statement should read that what's on White Cloths (part III) is what was OFFICIALLY RELEASED as the 2nd set of the evening show. At least on my copy of White Cloths, what is labeled as 'Afternoon Show' (White Cloths part III) is identical to Quichotte I and II (Pergammon), with the split between tracks edited out. Both sets of the 'Evening Show' are present on the boot as well, labeled as 'Part I' and 'Part II', and also the encore, labeled as 'Part IV'. Part I is totally unreleased (officially) but the first half of Part II is pretty much the same as Quichotte I. The second half begins and ends the same as Quichotte II, but the main body of this section is totally different than what was released as Quichotte II. (I personally prefer the Quichotte/Pergammon version - with the stunning guitar and synth melody over that persistant sequencer - and so did Edgar, evidently...) A slightly more believable (but probably still fake) version of the 'afternoon show' exists as 'Bergama' (I think that's the spelling). It, at least sounds like parts of the actual live show (or at least what was broadcast on the radio as a live show), but it seems to be spliced together in pieces, and from what I can tell is just the same musically as parts of the evening show as presented on White Cloths. While I believe it likely that an afternoon show in 1980 would be very similar to the evening show the same day, it's unlikely they would be nearly identical. Take Warsaw '83 for an example of this, where reasonable boots of both shows exist, and they are the same playlist, but there are some definite differences in solos and such. > -----Original Message----- > From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 3:37 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] 31.01.1980 Palast der Republik > > > 31.01.1980 Palast der Republik... > > the mythical Afternoon show? > > Stay tuned. What's on White Cloths is mislabled. That's > actually the 2nd > set of the evening show. > > -Morgan > > n.p. 31.01.1980 Palast der Republik Afternoon Show [41:02] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 10:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 31.01.1980 Palast der Republik From: 'Owens, James' > You're essentially correct, Morgan, except that your statement should read > that what's on White Cloths (part III) is what was OFFICIALLY RELEASED as > the 2nd set of the evening show. At least on my copy of White Cloths, what > is labeled as 'Afternoon Show' (White Cloths part III) is identical to > Quichotte I and II (Pergammon), with the split between tracks edited out. I don't know too much about White Cloths so this may be old news, but isn't part 3 just a copy of the original Quichotte LP release, with the two parts edited together? I have always assumed that whoever compiled and released White Cloths included Quichotte because it didn't get an official worldwide release (as Pergamon) until 1986, and until that time was only available in East Germany. Maff From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 10:52 pm Subject: Eating my hat Anyone have any salt or other condiments to go with my hat? -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33294 Re: Eating my hat Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 4/9/2002 3 KB 33295 Eating my hat Morgan Feldon Wed 4/10/2002 2 KB 33296 Re: Eating my hat Admin Wed 4/10/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 11:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Eating my hat I take it then, you are providing din din in chat tonight? dale ;-) Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 3:52 PM Subject: [tadream] Eating my hat > Anyone have any salt or other condiments to go with my hat? > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed Apr 10, 2002 12:23 am Subject: Eating my hat >From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' >Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 11:36 pm >Subject: Re: [tadream] Eating my hat > >I take it then, you are providing din din in chat tonight? > >dale >;-) I still have stuff to share. Just not what I have been tricked into thinking I had. It's a conspiracy I say! -Morgan P.S. Confirm everything 3 times. Then just for good measure, confirm another 3 times. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Admin' Date: Wed Apr 10, 2002 3:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Eating my hat Is there a difference? Like if I tangatize the hat a bit, can we still eat it or will it be more? ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 5:23 PM Subject: [tadream] Eating my hat > > >From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' > >Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 11:36 pm > >Subject: Re: [tadream] Eating my hat > > > >I take it then, you are providing din din in chat tonight? > > > >dale > >;-) > > I still have stuff to share. Just not what I have been tricked into > thinking I had. It's a conspiracy I say! > > -Morgan > > P.S. Confirm everything 3 times. Then just for good measure, confirm > another 3 times. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Date: Wed Apr 10, 2002 9:30 am Subject: 2 items on auction Hi all, I have two interesting items on ebay : Christopher Franke / Skinny Dippers - Just another day in L.A. http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=856055505&r=0&t=0&showTutorial\ =0&ed=1018618557&indexURL=0&rd=1 Sampler CD: Galaxy Vol. 1 with Tangerine Dream Track (oop) http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=856055883&r=0&t=0&showTutorial\ =0&ed=1018618758&indexURL=0&rd=1 Regards heiko - Mr. Optical www.opticaldream.de see us in Berlin for another Inferno Concert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'albenson' Date: Wed Apr 10, 2002 1:14 pm Subject: Subject: RE: 31.01.1980 Palast der Republik James makes a very interesting diehard point when he wrote the following comments: > A slightly more believable (but probably still fake) version > of the 'afternoon show' exists as 'Bergama' (I think that's the > spelling). Yes, it is! It even confuses *me* sometimes... ;-) However, from the standpoint that there are more than one of them needs some further explanation. That is the point which I shall address. One is called 'Bergama' and the other is called 'Bergamo.' Note the difference -- one ends in an 'a' and the other ends with an 'o.' > It, at least sounds like parts of the actual live show (or at least > what was broadcast on the radio as a live show), but it seems > to be spliced together in pieces, and from what I can tell is just > the same musically as parts of the evening show as presented > on White Cloths. While I believe it likely that an afternoon > show in 1980 would be very similar to the evening show the > same day, it's unlikely they would be nearly identical. Take > Warsaw '83 for an example of this, where reasonable boots > of both shows exist, and they are the same playlist, but there > are some definite differences in solos and such. ___________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________ Here now are more diehard details on the two which have titles of 'Bergama' and 'Bergamo', and also the one which was never titled (three of 01.31.80 were actually made in total). A) 'Bergama' Live Jan. 31, '80 @ PDR [Afternoon] Track 1) 'Dionysus' (29m), tracks 1-4 Track 2) 'Trajan' (41m30s), tracks 5-14 On the short front cover also: Release ver. 1.1, October 1996. Source: FM radio, 3rd or 4th cassette. B) 'Bergamo' Live- Jan.31 1980 @ PDR eve. show FM radio broadcast Track 1) 'Cosme' (37m26s), tracks 1-8 Track 2) 'Demeter' (22m39s), tracks 9-11 Track 3) 'Fav. part fr. 'Cosmo & Demeter' (10m30s) (Originally intended for jukebox's random p.b.). track 12 On the full front cover also: Release ver. 2.0, Spring '97 experimental release Ver. 2 contains: Excessive bass reduction. Source: 3rd gen(?) analogue tape > this cdr. Re-Mastered on 2/22/97 by F.M.E. Indexing: High (little random pb aware); For Internal TD fans only. The third CD referred to (not titled per say & no cover artwork) is: C) Jan. 31, '80 @ PDR evening show. Track 1) 37:27 Track 2) 22:40 Track 3) 10:37 All untitled, btw. Release date: Oct. 10, 1995. The side liner notes (on the jewel box) are as follows: Left side front: 0046 TDfm-at Jan. 31, 80 @ PDR evening show Ver. 1.501 Right side front: Direct fr. Chris Horn at dub; CDR's by the Fishy Mentat Records. ________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________ Notes: I tried to be precise with the actual typing just as it occurred on the original artwork (or to be precise the colored text), and the jewel box ends (left and right). Hence, you don't get Al (the TD's pal) usual precision of which I'm seemingly capable of doing sometimes... :-) The evening show (Direct fr. Chris Horn from dub) was supplied to Spect by Bob and myself... The gen number of the tape source (CH) is truly unknown. All that I do know is that it was one the best till 'White Clothes' rolled into TD diehard Berzerkeley town... ~lol~ At some point, I plan to give all the juicy details on my TD website (in the 'Master *Analogue* Section'), and include scans of all the artwork as well and the jewel case left & right interior notes. You can also find a section titled: 'Addendum A (Special CDRs).' Here is where I give an accounting of all the special fan CDs that were produced by Spect (I've mentioned this once before in my post re: 'Danger Live'). I've also just recently added a 'Special TD Links' section which includes the TD websites that specialize in info about the ~live~ concerts (Yep, James your website: 'TD Bootleg Track Listings' is there too! ;-) http://marspolaris.tripod.com/analogue.html And, while I'm here would like to plug two things: One is the web- site 'The Unheard Tangerine Dream Discography' and it's picking up full diehard steam with Heiko (Heerssen), Maff and myself all aboard as well as a few other TD diehards. Morgan set it all up and he did a wonderful job of it. Several interesting threads of discussion to choose from and one heck of a complete lists of TD ~live~ concerts dates & shows. Check it out! http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/ Lastly, the mIRC (referred too in several Tadream posts recently) is a neat interface where TD diehards and fans from all over the world can join in the fun... I'll try to be there this coming Friday & Saturday for a brief spell as well. That's a TD diehard promise! As, they are always the very best kind... :-) Best Always, -- Al Berkeley, CA / USA ******************* My TD personal homepage: http://marspolaris.tripod.com/index.html PS: Morgan -- OK you can take off the *hat* now! :-) PPS: Heiko -- Welcome back! ___________________________________________________________ From: 'vic rek' Date: Wed Apr 10, 2002 2:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Poland 2CD Can you tell me more about the POLAND Teldec CD release? I heard that this was a rumour and if it is available then I can make a very generous offer for it. Can anyone on this list supply this CD? I have rare items for trade at http://akorn.net/~tangerinedream/td_trade.htm BTW, I'm back in town from the FANTASTIC LIQUID SOUND music festival in Bad Sulza Germany and now I'm catching up on the e-mails and preparing for the Ricochet Gathering at Okefenokee Swamp starting April 19th! I have received a few more requests for reservations and I'll process those tonight and it looks like we will be completely booked. Thanks, Vic ----- Original Message ----- From: michael_berling To: Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 7:28 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Poland 2CD > --- In tadream@y..., GCall10692@a... wrote: > > Hi........... well it looks like there might be another version of > a 2 disc > > Poland > > my copy is a US version on Relativity from 1984 ..........Disc1 > has 2 > > songs Poland 22:29 and song 2 Tangent 19:59.........Disc 2 song 1 > Barbakane > > 18:00 and song 2 Horizon 21:07. I bought this disc new in 1984 it > too is a > > double jewel box with the 4 page insert and has a blue and white > cover... > > hope this adds to the confusion factor(ha ha) later on .......Gary > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Hi, > > in fact there are four well-known 2 CD releases of 'Poland', one from > Germany (Teldec) and three (slightly different) from USA > (Relativity). The one you mention is already featured in 'Voices In > The Net', though it is listed under 1988, not 1984. But, as you say, > you bought your copy back in 1984, this might be an error > in 'Voices'. I'll fix this. > > Those four releases feature the complete music (as on the vinyl > releases), but the previously unknown version includes some duplicate > music while there is some other part missing... Thus I consider it a > pirate version... > > You can check the currently known versions under 'Voices In The Net' > (http://www.voices-in-the-net.de), just to avoid confusion... ;-) > > Regards > Michael > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Apr 10, 2002 11:01 pm Subject: OT: Pop-ups killed FOREVER Hi folks, this sounds like an ad, but I just have to share this with you: I think I've found the ultimate pop-up killer, and it's freeware! I was just delighted when I used it; it's called Stop the Pop. It opens a DOS window, which you can minimize. It will always close a new window when it's opened, simply not allowing new windows; even if you click 'open in a new window'. Now, if you do want that, you can simply press SHIFT or CTRL while clicking a link or using 'open in a new window'. The DOS window keeps printing the status, like 'CTRL or SHIFT pressed. Now allowing 5 windows'; that means, the program stops functioning while you press CTRL or SHIFT. It's great! Go to www.bysoft.se/sureshot/stopthepop to download it. it's only some 200 kbytes and you only have to unzip and run the executable file. regards, Gustavo Jobim np. Shibolet (Audion, Synergy) gustavojobim@n... From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed Apr 10, 2002 4:59 pm Subject: Another Pop-up Stopper Thanks Gustavo for the pop-up stopping program. A slightly different program, which runs as a system tray icon, works the same way, with Ctrl and Shift to bypass the window stopping. But you can right-click on 'Open Link in New Window' without having to press Ctrl or Shift. That's an important difference to me. http://www.panicware.com/ 'Pop-up Stopper' -Morgan From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 6:13 am Subject: What to do if you get an uncertain recording labeled 31.01.1980! What to do if you get an uncertain recording labeled 31.01.1980! #1 Don't assume you have something new until you have repeatedly compared it to Lifted Curtain/White Cloths and Pergamon!! #2 Remember, Pergamon starts with a piano solo, but soon deviates from how the 2nd set of the evening concert actually went. It's a studio reperformance, plain and simple. How can you tell Pergamon and the actual 2nd set apart if you are stranded on an island and only have the two? Well, the track time for the 2nd set (correct speed- Lifted Curtain) is 45:30. The track time for Pergamon is 45:54. But that sounds like cheating. :) Ok, audio cues... Johannes' finger slips on the piano solo in these places: 2:42 white cloths track 4 2:51 lifted curtain evening set 2 0:05 41 minute excerpt* On Pergamon, bells are added to the piano solo from 2:17-3:23. Pergamon is a reperformance of most of the 2nd set of the evening concert with numerous differences. Edgar's guitar playing lasts from 30:38 to 37:15 on the actual 2nd set (Lifted Curtain** timing) and much more 77ish. Edgar's guitar playing lasts from 30:52 to 39:24 on Pergamon and is much more subdued. *The 41 minute excerpt mentioned above was on a CD I got recently. If I didn't know any better, I'd say the it could be an audience recording (the sound qualities of the guitar leads me to believe this, it is incredibly forward in the mix). Although I have never seen anyone claim to have an audience tape, so it is probably a botched remastering of an 8th generation tape. And for anyone wondering what White Cloths and Lifted Curtain are, and how they relate to Staatsgrenze West, see my entry which I have made for this: ********************************************************************************\ * 31.01.1980 Berlin Palast der Republik 'Lifted Curtain' --------- Live at Berlin Palast der Republik FM Recording of 8PM Evening Concert Edgar Froese, Chris Franke, Johannes Schmoelling 01 - Radio Intro 4'02 02 - Set 1 36'39 03 - Set 2 45'30 04 - Encore 13'12 Many tapes have been passed around of the 01.31.1980 Palast der Republik show, an incredible event which saw the introduction of Johannes Schmoelling as TD once again became a trio. And now, the quest for the best possible recording of this evening show is over. 'Lifted Curtain' replaces all prior versions of the evening show of this concert. This includes Staatsgrenze West, White Cloths, as well as all appearances of the encore for this show (the turbo version on Real Dream Encores and the one on Sea of Dreams). This is the entire evening show, all at correct speed and incredible quality, even surpassing White Cloths. Quality and speed are also perfect on the encore. Important Note: The artwork on the back of 'White Cloths' erroneously states that track 3 [45:54] is from a 4PM Afternoon show that day. This is in fact, a dub of the entire Pergamon release, which is a studio creation. Thus far, no recording of the Afternoon show (many have said there WAS no Afternoon show) has surfaced in the community at large. Until I hear something which differs, musically, from what I've heard so far, I shall not make the same mistake any time soon. :) The value of the White Cloths cassettes (besides the cool box it came in), is the 30 minute interview (in German) with the band after(?) the concert. ********************************************************************************\ * -Morgan 'Hoping to gain some reputation back as junior identifier of TD concert differences' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33436 Re: What to do if you get an uncertain recording richter_arne Thu 4/18/2002 3 KB 33438 Re: What to do if you get an uncertain recording Heiko Heerssen Thu 4/18/2002 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 2:02 pm Subject: [tree] branch relief I have a branch ready to take on some new descendants in an effort to speed up distribution of the tree. If you are chomping at the bit for your disks, and are willing and in a position to cancel your current trade in order to get the disks more quickly, let me know. I'll reassign you on a first-come, first-served basis, with preference to BRANCHES first. * Both formats - Redbook and SHN - are available. * Branch prefers USA trades only, please. * B&P or 1:1 trades are OK. Thanks, Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'convention24' Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 7:25 pm Subject: Poland-2CD I am very sorry to keep rambling on,but this surely must be amongst their GREATEST of all time! A freezing night at an ice stadium in Warsaw,Only the Wonderful Tangerine Dream could do it.Tangerine Dream, Probably the GREATEST of all time. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33306 Re: Poland-2CD Mark Filipak Thu 4/11/2002 2 KB 33309 Re: Poland-2CD Admin Fri 4/12/2002 3 KB 33321 Re: Poland-2CD fozziebear Fri 4/12/2002 2 KB 33322 Re: Poland-2CD Szatmari Pal Fri 4/12/2002 2 KB 33327 Re: Poland-2CD Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 4/12/2002 3 KB 33332 Re: Poland-2CD atye@a... Fri 4/12/2002 2 KB 33335 Re: Poland-2CD convention24 Fri 4/12/2002 2 KB From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 7:30 pm Subject: Darwin's Motel Hi All! I was curious while sitting here listening to Goblin's Club (A great cd by the way) if anyone knew what the lady is saying on Darwin's Motel. Thanks! Rick Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33307 Re: Darwin's Motel Joe Shoults Thu 4/11/2002 2 KB 33334 Re: Darwin's Motel Gustavo Jobim Fri 4/12/2002 2 KB 33323 Re: Darwin's Motel Szatmari Pal Fri 4/12/2002 2 KB 33360 Re: Darwin's Motel Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Sun 4/14/2002 2 KB 33337 Re: Darwin's Motel Adele Outland Fri 4/12/2002 2 KB 33342 Re: Darwin's Motel Adele Outland Fri 4/12/2002 2 KB 33361 Re: Darwin's Motel Dave Brewer Sun 4/14/2002 2 KB 33363 Re: Darwin's Motel John Vertical Sun 4/14/2002 2 KB 33369 Re: Darwin's Motel Armin Theissen Mon 4/15/2002 3 KB From: Mark Filipak Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 8:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland-2CD convention24 wrote: > > I am very sorry to keep rambling on,but this surely must be amongst > their GREATEST of all time! A freezing night at an ice stadium in > Warsaw,Only the Wonderful Tangerine Dream could do it.Tangerine Dream, > Probably the GREATEST of all time. Yo! According to the folks who were there, it was not freezing, Ed, Chris, and Johannes were not wearing gloves, and there were no power failures. But I guess all those claims may not be lies because those may have been the conditions where TD made the recording because according to people who were there and who have boots, what you hear on 'Poland' and what was performed in the Torwar Ice Stadium were two different things. Ciao -- Mark -- See my Music Trade Pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/ Last updated on: 6 April 2002 From: Joe Shoults Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 8:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Darwin's Motel yeah. 'Mark Shreeve, Mark Shreeve' > -----Original Message----- > From: rbrown4856@a... [mailto:rbrown4856@a...] > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 3:31 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Darwin's Motel > > > Hi All! > > I was curious while sitting here listening to Goblin's > Club (A great cd > by the way) if anyone knew what the lady is saying on Darwin's Motel. > > Thanks! > Rick > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33334 Re: Darwin's Motel Gustavo Jobim Fri 4/12/2002 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 10:31 pm Subject: Poland 2CD The Poland 2CD was probably the closest TD ever got to releasing actual concert music without touchups until Valentine Wheels. I would imagine that some decisions were made about reperforming the first part of Poland to get it to fit on vinyl. The Logos Coda ending was probably deleted since we'd already heard it. The 2 other encores we'd heard. Rarebird was shortened, again probably to fit on a 24 minute vinyl side. And the 6 minutes of Sphinx Lightning and Kiew Mission words being spoken aloud were replaced with a studio creation, Barbakane part 1. I am still boggled as to why they did not release the original performance of Warsaw in the Sun, which I lovingly call Warsaw in the Snow due to its mellower sound and less 'army march' composition. I don't feel bad about playing the Poland 80 min CD in my car instead of the actual dub of the concert because the differences are not massive. One of these days, I might get around to replacing the Warsaw in the Sun segment on my 80 min version. :) -Morgan P.S. Anyone who's been hoping for Definitive Dominion, I've put the project on hold until I can investigate the possibility of a better source of some of the music. Might bring a few of what I have so far to Okefenokee though... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33311 Re: Poland 2CD Dennis Nigbur Fri 4/12/2002 2 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 12:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland-2CD Maybe there was a dimensional rift. What those who where present saw was something totally different from the view on stage. Being both on and off the stage myself, I could see if this happen if certain conditions existed. dale ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mark Filipak' To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland-2CD > convention24 wrote: > > > > I am very sorry to keep rambling on,but this surely must be amongst > > their GREATEST of all time! A freezing night at an ice stadium in > > Warsaw,Only the Wonderful Tangerine Dream could do it.Tangerine Dream, > > Probably the GREATEST of all time. > > Yo! According to the folks who were there, it was not freezing, Ed, Chris, and Johannes were not wearing gloves, and there were no power failures. But I guess all those claims may not be lies because those may have been the conditions where TD made the recording because according to people who were there and who have boots, what you hear on 'Poland' and what was performed in the Torwar Ice Stadium were two different things. > > Ciao -- Mark > -- > See my Music Trade Pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/ > Last updated on: 6 April 2002 > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 2:29 am Subject: Poland Every time I mention Poland, some lucky duck pops up and gives us the juicy details of how the concert went. I guess Heiko will have to release the entire evening show, plus 30 minutes of the afternoon show including the power outage on the tree. :) -Morgan From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 9:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland 2CD On 11 Apr 2002 at 17:31, Morgan Feldon wrote: > am still boggled as to why they did not release the original > performance of Warsaw in the Sun, which I lovingly call Warsaw in the > Snow due to its mellower sound and less 'army march' composition. Sounds wonderful. Has this ever made it onto any compliations? Dennis From: 'John Marchington' Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 10:22 am Subject: 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg I've just been listening to the above CD bootleg, taken I believe from a 1980 show in the Guild Hall, Preston, on 5th November although the CD states that it took place in Detroit. Did they even go to Detroit that year? It sounds like a tremendous show to me, wherever it was, but the recorded sound is pretty dreadful and I'm wondering whether there is a better recording available that might become part of a future 'Tangerine Tree' project? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33313 Re: 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg Heiko Heerssen Fri 4/12/2002 3 KB 33341 changing name from 'The Tangerine Tree' to 'Marm gkopuy Fri 4/12/2002 2 KB 33346 no, not marmalade,please ... Re: [tadream] 'Sound Gustavo Jobim Sat 4/13/2002 3 KB 33319 Re: 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg Owens, James Fri 4/12/2002 3 KB 33328 Re: 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg chris towers Fri 4/12/2002 4 KB 33320 Re: 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg Joe Shoults Fri 4/12/2002 2 KB 33324 Re: 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg Joe Shoults Fri 4/12/2002 3 KB 33373 Re: 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Mon 4/15/2002 2 KB 33333 Re: 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg quarlie@a... Fri 4/12/2002 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 11:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg > I've just been listening to the above CD bootleg, taken I believe from a > 1980 show in the Guild Hall, Preston, on 5th November although the CD states > that it took place in Detroit. Preston 5th November 1980 is indeed the correct date :-) > Did they even go to Detroit that year? No, only to San Francisco and Santa Monica. > It sounds like a tremendous show to me, wherever it was, but the recorded > sound > is pretty dreadful and I'm wondering whether there is a better recording > available that might become part of a future 'Tangerine Tree' project? There is a better recording available from that tour, however for the next 'Tree' CDRs I can choose between the already remastered audience recordings Paris Bataclan 02 Feb. 1981 (1st gen.), and Berlin ICC 26 Jan. 1981 (unknown gen, but must be pretty close to the master tape) As most of you will know the music which was played throughout the January/February 1981 European tour slightly differed from that of the October/November 1980 tour (for exhaustive tracklist information go to Zebbyworld's 'The Tangerine Dream Concert Tracklist 1980-2001' which you can find at: 'http://www.zebbyworld.demon.co.uk/TDmother.html' ) I guess that in about 2-3 weeks from now I will have the definite versions of the concerts which will make up the next batch (Volumes 9-15), and once everyone has received their first 10 CDRs I'll wait for the 'go and burn!' sign :-) If I'm not mistaken the title will then change from 'The Tangerine Tree' to 'Marmalade skies' (right, Joe?) Regards Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33341 changing name from 'The Tangerine Tree' to 'Marm gkopuy Fri 4/12/2002 2 KB 33346 no, not marmalade,please ... Re: [tadream] 'Sound Gustavo Jobim Sat 4/13/2002 3 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 1:06 pm Subject: Euro DVDs I noticed a few DVDs worth mentioning: - Legend - French issue Region 2 with Goldsmith strk. - Le Blob - French issue Region 2 with M. Hoenig strk. - The Calling - Germany issue Region 2 with C. Franke strk. From: 'vic rek' Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 1:13 pm Subject: Star Sounds Orchestra at Ricochet Gathering (Okefenokee 2002) Star Sounds Orchestra will be performing at the Okefenokee Gathering starting next week. SSO is Steve Schroyder and Jens Zygar. Steve performed on the Tangerine Dream album 'Alpha Centauri' and guest appeared on 'Zeit'. Free System Projekt had to back out in the last minute this year (Marcel will be missed). We are Sold Out, but anyone still wishing to join us must contact me ASAP. VicRek Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33345 Re: Star Sounds Orchestra at Ricochet Gathering ( Gustavo Jobim Sat 4/13/2002 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 2:15 pm Subject: OT [tree] (sort of ) Audio CDRs vs. 'regular' CDRs In a tree trade, I got some Audio CDRs from my leaf. i've never touched one of these that I know of and I didn't know the difference, so I looked it up. I don't want to spark a protracted techiethread, and this is not an invitation for a reply. But since so many people are sending CDRs to each other right now, some of you may be interested in this info. I learned a lot. Making your Own CD-R's: A Primer http://www.digitalexperience.com/cdrprimer.html Audio CD FAQ http://www.cdrinfo.com/audiocd/audio_faq.shtml Andy McFadden's CD-Recordable FAQ http://burks.bton.ac.uk/burks/pcinfo/hardware/cdrfaq.htm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33317 Re: OT [tree] (sort of ) Audio CDRs vs. 'regular' Heiko Heerssen Fri 4/12/2002 2 KB 33318 Re: OT [tree] (sort of ) Audio CDRs vs. 'regular' Joe Shoults Fri 4/12/2002 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 2:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT [tree] (sort of ) Audio CDRs vs. 'regular' CDRs > > I don't want to spark a protracted techiethread, and this is not an > invitation for a reply. Guess my mailbox will collapse as soon as I start to open it on next Monday ~lol~ From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 2:45 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT [tree] (sort of ) Audio CDRs vs. 'regular' CDRs ;-P > -----Original Message----- > From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:14 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] OT [tree] (sort of ) Audio CDRs vs. 'regular' > CDRs > > > > > > I don't want to spark a protracted techiethread, and this is not an > > invitation for a reply. > > Guess my mailbox will collapse as soon as I start to open it > on next Monday > ~lol~ > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 4:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg It turns out that there was no concert in Detroit in 1980, though TD did get at least 2 shows in on the US West Coast during November 1980. One of those is recorded in its entirety (or nearly so - I can't recall if all the encores are complete), with the taper(s) announcing the show date and venue at the beginning of the tape (probably so they - and now we - could keep it straight years later). To the best of my knowledge, Soundtrack for Fantasy is from Preston UK. The version of the bootleg tracklist at Steve Jenkins' web page has not been upsdated for some time, so it still says 'November 5, 1980 Preston Guild Hall, Detroit, MI, USA'... (This has been corrected in later versions). (See Morgan - We ALL get to taste felt from time to time... Anyone know where I can get a chocolate hat?) > -----Original Message----- > I've just been listening to the above CD bootleg, taken I > believe from a > 1980 show in the Guild Hall, Preston, on 5th November > although the CD states > that it took place in Detroit. Did they even go to Detroit > that year? It > sounds like a tremendous show to me, wherever it was, but the > recorded sound > is pretty dreadful and I'm wondering whether there is a > better recording > available that might become part of a future 'Tangerine Tree' project? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33328 Re: 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg chris towers Fri 4/12/2002 4 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 4:55 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg Santa Monica 1980.. 'hehe.. KILLER!' > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] ... > encores are complete), with the taper(s) announcing the show > date and venue > at the beginning of the tape (probably so they - and now we - > could keep it straight years later). From: 'fozziebear' Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 5:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland-2CD Dale said : > Maybe there was a dimensional rift. What those who where present saw was > something totally different from the view on stage. Being both on and off > the stage myself, I could see if this happen if certain conditions existed. > Do you mean like those that have seen The Keep on Vinyl on the record shelves and those that didn't see it? Parallel universes and all that. David From: Szatmari Pal Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 4:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland-2CD >Yo! According to the folks who were there, it was not freezing, Ed, Chris, > and Johannes were not wearing gloves, and there were no power failures. >Ciao -- Mark I remember a Polish guy giving an account of the concerts here on the list. He said that it had not been freezing but there had been no heating. And there was one power failure. Pal From: Szatmari Pal Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 4:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Darwin's Motel >Hi All! > > I was curious while sitting here listening to Goblin's Club (A great cd >by the way) if anyone knew what the lady is saying on Darwin's Motel. > >Thanks! >Rick All I know it is Polish and it is quite strange. Pal Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33360 Re: Darwin's Motel Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Sun 4/14/2002 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 6:10 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg I don't know. The name 'Tangerine Tree' could refer to the overall project on an ongoing basis, and names like 'Marmalade Skies' could refer to specific edition/volume releases (with this last original issue just having the singular name of 'Tangerine Tree'). I like 'Tangerine Tree' as a metaphorical refernce, as a tree continues to grow and bear fruit even after you have picked the first batch, even to the 'tree' distribution model it uses. Indeed, we have picked the currently ripe fruit, and other fruit that wasn't ready to be picked at first is 'ripening' now for the next batch. So 'Marmalade Skies' is fine by me. The oft-debated myth of TD obtaining their name from Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds is a tongue-in-cheek reference here, obviously. I've also suggested that following editions be named 'Dancer Quite Slowly' and/or 'Kaleidoscope Eyes', both of which would have a double-related reference, as 'DQS' is the Td mastering system, and a group called 'Kaleidoscope' had an album named 'Tangerine Dream' around the same time of Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and the formation of TD. any other thoughts on this, folks? Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Heiko Heerssen [mailto:heiko.heerssen@h...] > If I'm not mistaken the title will then change > from 'The Tangerine Tree' to > 'Marmalade skies' (right, Joe?) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33373 Re: 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Mon 4/15/2002 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 6:26 pm Subject: [tree] communication breakdown seems that some tree progress is being hampered by non-responsive descendants. If you are having communication problems with your branchline, lemme know off-list. We've done a small flurry of reassignments recently, and I'll do more where warranted. You will have to contact me, as it would be inappropriate for me to interrupt a trade that already begun. Thanks, Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 6:33 pm Subject: Tangerine Tree II >Heiko H. said: >I can choose between the already remastered audience recordings >Paris Bataclan 02 Feb. 1981 (1st gen.), and Berlin ICC 26 Jan. 1981 Although Berlin might be clearer (incredible recording), I've gotta go with Paris Bataclan musically. -Morgan From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 6:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland-2CD Yes I am sure it was a similar experience. ;-) Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'fozziebear' To: Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland-2CD > Dale said : > > > > Maybe there was a dimensional rift. What those who where present saw was > > something totally different from the view on stage. Being both on and off > > the stage myself, I could see if this happen if certain conditions > existed. > > > > Do you mean like those that have seen The Keep on Vinyl on the record > shelves and those that didn't see it? > > Parallel universes and all that. > > David > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: chris towers Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 6:40 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg I can say that the sountrack for fantasy bootleg is in Preston UK 1980. I have this on Vinyl. I also have the S for F on CD but has been a while since i listened to them. Thinking back though im sure there are differences.. Chris Towers --- 'Owens, James' wrote: > It turns out that there was no concert in Detroit in > 1980, though TD did get > at least 2 shows in on the US West Coast during > November 1980. One of those > is recorded in its entirety (or nearly so - I can't > recall if all the > encores are complete), with the taper(s) announcing > the show date and venue > at the beginning of the tape (probably so they - and > now we - could keep it > straight years later). > > To the best of my knowledge, Soundtrack for Fantasy > is from Preston UK. The > version of the bootleg tracklist at Steve Jenkins' > web page has not been > upsdated for some time, so it still says 'November > 5, 1980 Preston Guild > Hall, Detroit, MI, USA'... (This has been corrected > in later versions). > > (See Morgan - We ALL get to taste felt from time to > time... Anyone know > where I can get a chocolate hat?) > > > -----Original Message----- > > I've just been listening to the above CD bootleg, > taken I > > believe from a > > 1980 show in the Guild Hall, Preston, on 5th > November > > although the CD states > > that it took place in Detroit. Did they even go to > Detroit > > that year? It > > sounds like a tremendous show to me, wherever it > was, but the > > recorded sound > > is pretty dreadful and I'm wondering whether there > is a > > better recording > > available that might become part of a future > 'Tangerine Tree' project? > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From: scfeldman@j... Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 6:37 pm Subject: THE KEEP re Poland-2CD On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:44:06 +0100 'fozziebear' writes: >>Maybe there was a dimensional rift. What those who where >>present saw was something totally different from the view >>on stage. [. . .] > >Do you mean like those that have seen The Keep on Vinyl on >the record shelves and those that didn't see it? > >Parallel universes and all that. Hoo boy. Two KEEP jokes in one weak. Oh, dearie me; was that a typo? ;) >David -- Steven Feldman + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | | 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence' -- Me | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33347 Re: THE KEEP re Poland-2CD fozziebear Sat 4/13/2002 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 7:18 pm Subject: Weekly Chats Once again, everyone is welcome, and encouraged, to join us in the weekly Tangerine Dream chat tonight from approx 6pm to 1am. This large window is provided so those in Europe can chime in in the early morning. Several of us chat on an IRC (Internet Relay Chat) server typically on Friday and Saturday afternoons through evenings. It can be difficult to catch one of us due to the gaps between when the European chatters come and go, and when the American chatters come and go. Last night we had 6 people, and we've had as many as 10 people before. The chat is very free-form and we try to keep it friendly. The chat is now helmed by Flemming (AirWave), although he is only in the chat at times reasonable to Europe times. Getting into the chat can be a bit complicated, so I have prepared a downloadable copy of the chat program which has already been set up to connect to the chat and bring you into the discussion right away. Windows users, you can get this here: http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe Download it and run it. It will want to save itself to a new folder on your hard drive 'tadreamChat'. You may save the chat program somewhere else if you like, as long as it's convenient. Now that you've done that, open it up and double-click on the file named 'mIRC'. In about 30 seconds, it should bring you into the chat. If not, e-mail me and we'll do everything we can to help you get into the chat. Mac users, Download version 3.0.4 of IRCLE or another IRC client. Ircle can be found here: http://www.ircle.com/download.shtml Bring up a Status or console-type window in IRCLE, then type these three exact instructions: /nick tadreamfan2 /server irc.sorcery.net 9000 /join #tadream You may need to wait 30 seconds after typing the /server command. If typing /join #tadream doesn't work, just wait a few seconds and try it again. Mac/Windows: On the right side of the screen, you should see a 'Nick list' window pop up. If you see more than one name (I'm logged in as feldon26), then there are people there to chat! Please say Hi and give us a chance to respond. We might be spinning up a CD or grabbing a bite to eat. Hope to see you in the chat! -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 8:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Weekly Chats If you have not tried this, you should. It can be very informative sometimes as well as good fun. Everytime I been there, I have come away with some interesting facts to add to my collection as well as learn some new things. Everyone there is very friendly. I like to join you tonight but its the Shakespeare Festival again and I will be covering plays for the next three nights. Tonight, if I am not wrong, it is music and instruments from the period. Tomorrow 'As you like it' or Julius Caesar', then the next day the other. I lead other life's in case you are wondering. I write for one of the local newspapers too, normally the funds I get for that I use to buy more synths and stuff. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:18 PM Subject: [tadream] Weekly Chats > Once again, everyone is welcome, and encouraged, to join us in the weekly > Tangerine Dream chat tonight from approx 6pm to 1am. This large window is > provided so those in Europe can chime in in the early morning. > > Several of us chat on an IRC (Internet Relay Chat) server typically on > Friday and Saturday afternoons through evenings. It can be difficult to > catch one of us due to the gaps between when the European chatters come and > go, and when the American chatters come and go. Last night we had 6 people, > and we've had as many as 10 people before. The chat is very free-form and > we try to keep it friendly. The chat is now helmed by Flemming (AirWave), > although he is only in the chat at times reasonable to Europe times. > > Getting into the chat can be a bit complicated, so I have prepared a > downloadable copy of the chat program which has already been set up to > connect to the chat and bring you into the discussion right away. > > Windows users, you can get this here: > http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe > > Download it and run it. It will want to save itself to a new folder on your > hard drive 'tadreamChat'. You may save the chat program somewhere else if > you like, as long as it's convenient. Now that you've done that, open it up > and double-click on the file named 'mIRC'. In about 30 seconds, it should > bring you into the chat. If not, e-mail me and we'll do everything we can > to help you get into the chat. > > Mac users, > > Download version 3.0.4 of IRCLE or another IRC client. Ircle can be found here: > http://www.ircle.com/download.shtml > > Bring up a Status or console-type window in IRCLE, then type these three > exact instructions: > > /nick tadreamfan2 > /server irc.sorcery.net 9000 > /join #tadream > > You may need to wait 30 seconds after typing the /server command. If typing > /join #tadream doesn't work, just wait a few seconds and try it again. > > Mac/Windows: > > On the right side of the screen, you should see a 'Nick list' window pop > up. If you see more than one name (I'm logged in as feldon26), then there > are people there to chat! Please say Hi and give us a chance to respond. We > might be spinning up a CD or grabbing a bite to eat. > > > Hope to see you in the chat! > > -Morgan > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: atye@a... Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 8:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Poland-2CD >Yo! According to the folks who were there, it was not freezing, Ed, Chris, and Johannes were not wearing gloves, and there were no power failures. >Ciao -- Mark >I remember a Polish guy giving an account of the concerts >here on the list. >He said that it had not been freezing but there had been no >heating. And >there was one power failure. >Pal Pardon the netiquette breach by copying previous posts..... I believe that the first comment was a joke about the conditions in the studio when the Poland CD was ACTUALLY recorded, not at the concert itself...... ATYE (the TD guy) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33335 Re: Poland-2CD convention24 Fri 4/12/2002 2 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 8:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg In a message dated 4/12/02 2:27:07 PM, jshoults@f... writes: >I've also suggested that following editions be named >'Dancer Quite Slowly' and/or 'Kaleidoscope Eyes', both of which would have >a double-related reference, as 'DQS' is the Td mastering system, and a group >called 'Kaleidoscope' had an album named 'Tangerine Dream' around the same >time of Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and the formation of TD. Actually TD's mastering system is called DQC. (Now, if only we could know what it actually is/does.) --Daniel NP: Castlevania: Symphony of the Night soundtrack From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 2:14 am Subject: Re: Darwin's Motel HAH! Had a good laugh in this terrible friday (lotsa work, tons of stuff to study). thanks a lot. > yeah. 'Mark Shreeve, Mark Shreeve' From: 'convention24' Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 8:57 pm Subject: Re: Poland-2CD --- In tadream@y..., atye@a... wrote: > >Yo! According to the folks who were there, it was not freezing, Ed, Chris, and Johannes were not wearing gloves, and there were no power failures. > >Ciao -- Mark > > >I remember a Polish guy giving an account of the concerts >here on the list. > >He said that it had not been freezing but there had been no >heating. And > >there was one power failure. > > >Pal > > Pardon the netiquette breach by copying previous posts..... > I believe that the first comment was a joke about the conditions in the studio when the Poland CD was ACTUALLY recorded, not at the concert itself...... > > ATYE (the TD guy) Freezing or not, ITS an absolute CLASSIC. From: 'convention24' Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 8:15 pm Subject: The Wonderful POLAND. Whatever one says,this will always remain a classic in my heart,totally awesome stuff,Edgar froese is the KING,the man is a GENIUS. From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 9:58 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Darwin's Motel I can't resist. To me it sounds like she says, Look at me, look at me, check your BVD's. LOL! 8-) Dell All IMO of course. >From: rbrown4856@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Darwin's Motel >Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:30:39 EDT > >Hi All! > > I was curious while sitting here listening to Goblin's Club (A great >cd >by the way) if anyone knew what the lady is saying on Darwin's Motel. > >Thanks! >Rick As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 9:31 pm Subject: re: SSO >Star Sounds Orchestra will be performing at the Okefenokee Gathering starting next week. SSO is Steve Schroyder and Jens Zygar. Steve performed on the Tangerine Dream album 'Alpha Centauri' and guest appeared on 'Zeit'.< WOW now really wish I was going! --T (hmm, gonna see steve roach + atoi thursday at ambient journeys in oakland instead...) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 10:49 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg ah. DQC. oops. well I didn't like that one very much anyway. besides, who dances to TD? especially slowly? i like Kaleidoscope Eyes thoug > -----Original Message----- > From: quarlie@a... [mailto:quarlie@a...] > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 4:19 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg > > > In a message dated 4/12/02 2:27:07 PM, jshoults@f... writes: > > >I've also suggested that following editions be named > >'Dancer Quite Slowly' and/or 'Kaleidoscope Eyes', both of > which would have > >a double-related reference, as 'DQS' is the Td mastering > system, and a group > >called 'Kaleidoscope' had an album named 'Tangerine Dream' > around the same > >time of Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and the formation of TD. > > Actually TD's mastering system is called DQC. (Now, if only > we could know > what it actually is/does.) > > --Daniel > NP: Castlevania: Symphony of the Night soundtrack > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 10:36 pm Subject: [tree] SHN FTP down over weekend due to hardware upgrades, the SHN FTP server will be down intermittently over the weekend, and possibly into next week. Please be patient; it will be back up. thanks, joe no: Mark Shreeve (Redshift) - Ether [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'gkopuy' Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 10:34 pm Subject: changing name from 'The Tangerine Tree' to 'Marmalade skies' I'm just curious why not to stick to the Tangerine Tree name instead of Marmalade Skies? Personally I find it a better name and also, íf the cover artwork is more or less the same, you get a one uniform appearance in the CD storage tower. (Yes these are the first CDR's which found their way into my living room and are placed very visible to the people in the room!). Everybody who is browsing in my CD collection asks what this Tangerine Tree is. Roger PS: I give a copy of the Tangerine Tree to the editor of the dutch magazine KLEMblad. He was very impressed with the sound quality and cover art.. From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Fri Apr 12, 2002 11:02 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Darwin's Motel Oops, darn, I meant 'watch me, watch me etc.' sorry, duh, 8-) Dell All IMO of course. >From: Joe Shoults >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: ''tadream@yahoogroups.com'' >Subject: RE: [tadream] Darwin's Motel >Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:33:25 -0400 > >yeah. 'Mark Shreeve, Mark Shreeve' As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 12:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg Thanks, Heiko. Maybe something from that 1980 UK tour can be incorporated in the third project? Thanks to James Owens as well. It seems that those organising the artwork for the bootleg got confused about the Guild Halls -- perhaps understandably with the one in Detroit being called Preston Guild Hall!. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Heiko Heerssen' To: Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg > > > > I've just been listening to the above CD bootleg, taken I believe from a > > 1980 show in the Guild Hall, Preston, on 5th November although the CD states > > that it took place in Detroit. > > Preston 5th November 1980 is indeed the correct date :-) > > > Did they even go to Detroit that year? > > No, only to San Francisco and Santa Monica. > > > It sounds like a tremendous show to me, wherever it was, but the recorded > > sound > > is pretty dreadful and I'm wondering whether there is a better recording > > available that might become part of a future 'Tangerine Tree' project? > > There is a better recording available from that tour, however for the next > 'Tree' CDRs I can choose between the already remastered audience recordings > Paris Bataclan 02 Feb. 1981 (1st gen.), and Berlin ICC 26 Jan. 1981 (unknown > gen, but must be pretty close to the master tape) > As most of you will know the music which was played throughout the > January/February 1981 European tour slightly differed from that of the > October/November 1980 tour (for exhaustive tracklist information go to > Zebbyworld's 'The Tangerine Dream Concert Tracklist 1980-2001' which you can > find at: 'http://www.zebbyworld.demon.co.uk/TDmother.html' ) > > I guess that in about 2-3 weeks from now I will have the definite versions of > the concerts which will make up the next batch (Volumes 9-15), and once everyone > has received their first 10 CDRs I'll wait for the 'go and burn!' sign :-) If > I'm not mistaken the title will then change from 'The Tangerine Tree' to > 'Marmalade skies' (right, Joe?) > > Regards > Heiko > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Are you on the tree yet? Go to > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 2:58 am Subject: Unheard TD Forum If you are one of the few who didn't scoff at the idea of a multi-threaded discussion forum with easy-to-trace discussions going back many weeks, maybe this will be the discussion that gets you interested in joining. This does not replace the tadream list! This is only in addition to the list, to discuss issues that are handled better in a threaded discussion, and discussions that might be a bit off-topic. I'm talking about the minutiae involved in the 31.01.1980 Palast der Republik show in Berlin! Was there or wasn't there a show performed that afternoon? (I'll be expecting Feldman along any moment to start a forum topic about The Keep (and he is welcome to!)) And most importantly, general comments about this show, and what's involved in getting the best recording of it! You are invited to check out the UnheardTD Forum here: http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/forums/index.php You don't have to register to read it, or to reply to a topic, only to start new topics. Click on 'Diehard Area' and then click on 'Build it and the diehards will discuss! 'PDR 1980.01.31' The orum is unofficial, and so has more relaxed rules. -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 4:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Star Sounds Orchestra at Ricochet Gathering (Okefenokee 2002) unnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng! and there go my head fragments again. that must be so interestimg to see. oh well. GJ np. Epsilon in Malaysian Pale @ #tadream chat @Sorcery.Net, almost simultaneously with the people. very very nice as always. >Star Sounds Orchestra will be performing at the Okefenokee Gathering >starting next week. SSO is _STEVE SCHROYDER_ and Jens Zygar. Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 4:33 am Subject: no, not marmalade,please ... Re: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg oh no, no, no, make it Tangerine Tree all the way, Volumes x-y.... much better, simpler, more uniform. if there were names for each batch, I have the impression that , with time, the impact would be lost, i mean, it would be like many different trees, while it's one only big project just divided in parts... make it Tangerine Tree all the way, make it a 20-30-40+ Volumes work, it's surely already a remarkable event in the TD fandom history and it will only get bigger! well, that's enough rambling for now. np. Maroubra Bay simultaneously with the folks at the Chat. you're all invited! >I'm not mistaken the title will then change from 'The Tangerine Tree' to >'Marmalade skies' (right, Joe?) >Regards, Heiko Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'fozziebear' Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 6:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] THE KEEP re Poland-2CD Steven Feldman said > Hoo boy. Two KEEP jokes in one weak. Oh, dearie me; > was that a typo? ;) > I thought the typo was on the Lp cover when the Keep was first translated into English. Wasn't it originally The Hype? David From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 10:14 am Subject: Re: no, not marmalade,please ... Re: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg >oh no, no, no, make it Tangerine Tree all the way, Volumes x-y.... much >better, simpler, more uniform. if there were names for each batch, I have >the impression that , with time, the impact would be lost, i mean, it would >be like many different trees, while it's one only big project just divided >in parts... make it Tangerine Tree all the way, make it a 20-30-40+ Volumes >work, it's surely already a remarkable event in the TD fandom history and >it will only get bigger! >well, that's enough rambling for now. > >np. Maroubra Bay simultaneously with the folks at the Chat. you're all >invited! I agree, we already had one big fight over the name; why do we need to do that again? John Vertical PS: I'm apparently not coming to the chats; it'll be too hard for me to wake up at 7o'clock on weekends... and Monday mornings will have their own business. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33355 Re: no, not marmalade,please ... Re: [tadream] 'S Admin Sat 4/13/2002 2 KB From: Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 12:22 pm Subject: NEWSLETTER started !!! Hi all, I started an ASHRA NEWSLETTER on yahoo, if you are interested in this NEWSLETTER (you have first all NEWS about ASHRA and their band members) then join this NEWSLETTER: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter or subcribe directly: ashranewsletter-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Thank you. Heiko Neumann 'Owner of this NEWSLETTER' www.tribute-to-ashra.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33356 Re: NEWSLETTER started !!! Admin Sat 4/13/2002 3 KB 33358 semi-OT ASHRA Re: [tadream] NEWSLETTER started !! Gustavo Jobim Sun 4/14/2002 4 KB From: atye@a... Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 12:48 pm Subject: Re: no, not marmalade,please ... I agree......Tangerine Tree for ALL new volumes. This will keep it uniform and consistent IMO. ATYE (the TD guy) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33357 Re: no, not marmalade,please ... Jonathan Holt Sun 4/14/2002 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 1:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: no, not marmalade,please ... atye@a... wrote: > > I agree......Tangerine Tree for ALL new volumes. This will keep it uniform > and consistent IMO. I agree too. Antonio np: Network 388 (a relic from the old tadream list :-)) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33352 Re: no, not marmalade,please ... Synthhtnys@a... Sat 4/13/2002 2 KB 33377 Re: no, not marmalade,please ... Joe Shoults Mon 4/15/2002 2 KB 33386 Re: no, not marmalade,please ... Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Mon 4/15/2002 3 KB 33380 Re: no, not marmalade,please ... Mark Filipak Mon 4/15/2002 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 1:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: no, not marmalade,please ... In a message dated 4/13/2002 8:02:26 AM Central Daylight Time, np97fa@m... writes: > > I agree......Tangerine Tree for ALL new volumes. This will keep it uniform > > and consistent IMO. > I agree too. > Antonio I'll put in my vote for Tangerine Tree too... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 1:57 pm Subject: The German TELDEC 'Poland'-2-CD mystery Hi Vic, hi Michael Berling, hello everyone, some new investigations make me believe that the follwing entry in the 'Voices in the dunes' book and also in the www.voices-in-the-net.de Homepage results from an error or misunderstanding: > From: 'vic rek' > > Can you tell me more about the POLAND Teldec CD release? > I heard that this was a rumour and if it is available then I can make a very > generous offer for it... I tried to research where the wrong entry came from: Teldec's German 2-page promo flyer for 'Poland' (1984) refers to the 6.28638 2-LP and to the 4.28638 music cassette, but not to any CD. Teldec started to use numbers with 8. ... later on for CD releases; this would allow the conclusion that a 'Poland' 2-CD-release would get the number 8.28638 - but in fact, this number does not appear anywhere in my Teldec files. The first (as far as known) German CD version is a 1-CD with the catalog number Jive/Teldec 8.26099 ZP, has the year 1984 on the cover but was obviously released some time after the LP (1985?) - otherwise it could have been mentioned on the promo flyer and could have had the subsequent number with the 8 as mentioned above. The following entry appeard in the first tow data collections of Rolf Sonnemann and me for the 'Voices' book project, dated in 'sping 1988' and again Nov., 21st, 1988: 'Poland Jive 828638 UK 1985 2CD.' This is obviously wrong, as the UK releases had 'Jive HIP...'-numbers for the LPs and 'Jive CHIP...'-numbers for the CDs, and this line did not make its way into the 'Voices' book. It might has been a transcription error that this number then has been filed as German release for the book, believing that it exists and with a number that fits into the German Jive/Teldec number scheme. I could not find out where this (wrong) UK entry 14 years ago came from, but we, the 'Voices' book editors, later regarded the alleged German item as doubtful, even if I do not remember what reason for. In my reference copy of the book, used for corrections after the book has been printed, the Teldec-2-CD entry (Germany, 1984, #8.28638) is marked red with an '?'. It was definitely my error to let this entry pass for the voices-in-the-net release without new investigation. Siggi Lindhorst, owner of probably the biggest collection in Germany and also contributor to voices-in-the-net, shares my opinion. We both remember that after the Relativity release in the USA, many collectors in Germany, including us, tried to get these 2-CDs in holiday or by mail order, as only they contain the complete music material. In case anybody out there has a German Teldec 8.28638 2-CD-set, please drop a line (even if you are not willing to trade it) so that we definitely can end up with that mystery. Greetings Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33354 Re: The German TELDEC 'Poland'-2-CD mystery Wade Gordon Sat 4/13/2002 5 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 2:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The German TELDEC 'Poland'-2-CD mystery I do have the single and double Teldec, but I am only willing to part with the single one. The double one on disc two has one song that has a different running time as compared to the superior sounding Sequel release. Yes, the Sequel is by far superior but has one song edited to fit both origional c.d.'s on one disc. Wade p.s. contact me privately on this matter. --- peter.stoeferle@t... wrote: > Hi Vic, hi Michael Berling, hello everyone, > > some new investigations make me believe that the > follwing entry in the 'Voices > in the dunes' book and also in the > www.voices-in-the-net.de Homepage results > from an error or misunderstanding: > > > From: 'vic rek' > > > > Can you tell me more about the POLAND Teldec CD > release? > > I heard that this was a rumour and if it is > available then I can make a very > > generous offer for it... > > I tried to research where the wrong entry came from: > > Teldec's German 2-page promo flyer for 'Poland' > (1984) refers to the 6.28638 > 2-LP and to the 4.28638 music cassette, but not to > any CD. Teldec started to use > numbers with 8. ... later on for CD releases; this > would allow the conclusion > that a 'Poland' 2-CD-release would get the number > 8.28638 - but in fact, this > number does not appear anywhere in my Teldec files. > > The first (as far as known) German CD version is a > 1-CD with the catalog number > Jive/Teldec 8.26099 ZP, has the year 1984 on the > cover but was obviously > released some time after the LP (1985?) - otherwise > it could have been mentioned > on the promo flyer and could have had the subsequent > number with the 8 as > mentioned above. > > The following entry appeard in the first tow data > collections of Rolf Sonnemann > and me for the 'Voices' book project, dated in > 'sping 1988' and again Nov., > 21st, 1988: 'Poland Jive 828638 UK 1985 2CD.' > This is obviously wrong, as the > UK releases had 'Jive HIP...'-numbers for the LPs > and 'Jive CHIP...'-numbers for > the CDs, and this line did not make its way into the > 'Voices' book. It might has > been a transcription error that this number then has > been filed as German > release for the book, believing that it exists and > with a number that fits into > the German Jive/Teldec number scheme. I could not > find out where this (wrong) UK > entry 14 years ago came from, but we, the 'Voices' > book editors, later regarded > the alleged German item as doubtful, even if I do > not remember what reason for. > In my reference copy of the book, used for > corrections after the book has been > printed, the Teldec-2-CD entry (Germany, 1984, > #8.28638) is marked red with an > '?'. It was definitely my error to let this entry > pass for the voices-in-the-net > release without new investigation. > > Siggi Lindhorst, owner of probably the biggest > collection in Germany and also > contributor to voices-in-the-net, shares my opinion. > We both remember that after > the Relativity release in the USA, many collectors > in Germany, including us, > tried to get these 2-CDs in holiday or by mail > order, as only they contain the > complete music material. > > In case anybody out there has a German Teldec > 8.28638 2-CD-set, please drop a > line (even if you are not willing to trade it) so > that we definitely can end up > with that mystery. > > Greetings > Peter > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 9:03 pm Subject: Re: no, not marmalade,please ... Re: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg > I agree, we already had one big fight over the name; why do we need to do > that again? > John Vertical > PS: I'm apparently not coming to the chats; it'll be too hard for me to wake > up at 7o'clock on weekends... and Monday mornings will have their own > business. The fight is fun? Interesting to see what others think. The chat is the 'in' thing right now. Shame you are missing it. Shame we are missing you. Dale From: 'Admin' Date: Sat Apr 13, 2002 9:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] NEWSLETTER started !!! Took the plunge last night. You should find me on your list. I have not heard any Ashra, so I look forward to hear some to see what the rave is. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 5:22 AM Subject: [tadream] NEWSLETTER started !!! > Hi all, > > I started an ASHRA NEWSLETTER on yahoo, if you are interested in this NEWSLETTER (you have first all NEWS about ASHRA and their band members) then join this NEWSLETTER: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter > > or > subcribe directly: > ashranewsletter-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Thank you. > > Heiko Neumann > 'Owner of this NEWSLETTER' > www.tribute-to-ashra.de > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33358 semi-OT ASHRA Re: [tadream] NEWSLETTER started !! Gustavo Jobim Sun 4/14/2002 4 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 12:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: no, not marmalade,please ... As a lurker, I must speak up for once and say 'Tangerine Tree' all the way. I'll crawl back under my groovyelectronicrock now. ______________________________________________________________________ Find, Connect Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 1:47 am Subject: semi-OT ASHRA Re: [tadream] NEWSLETTER started !!! I say 'semi-OT' because they're all, umm, from the same primordial ooze... I have only a few albums by Manuel Göttsching, not any actual Ashra Tempel, but hey, MG is Ashra. I have E2-E4, Inventions for Electric Guitar and Early Water, which Manuel made with Michael Hoenig. They're all fascinating albums, three different styles: E2-E4, I think I could say is proto-techno, relentless beat, recorded at one go, MG's guitars included. It's almost 60 minutes long, made in 1981, discovered by Manuel's friend K.Schulze and released on KS's label IC ni 1984 (please correct me if I'm wrong). The first half of the album has a very subtle development, while the second half has MG's trademark guitar, making the music more interesting. But still, the development is overall slow. Inventions for Electric Guitar is just what the name says. It's a smooth electronic album full of filtered and processed guitar sounds. I love Early Water (made in 1976), although I heard it only once or twice. It's one of those classic pulsating albums, a bit like Rubycon, a bit like Timewind maybe... classic 'Berlin school' sound. Those three albums I find just excellent, but it's different from what you might expect from TD. The closest thing could be Rubycon, maybe, with its repetitiveness. I have also heard a bit of Ash Ra Tempel's first album, with KS on the drums (KS founded the band with Manuel after leaving TD). Lots of drumming and organ, something you would expect from a 1971 (or 1970?) album with KS. Ash Ra Tempel's Join Inn must be very good too. I'm not sure if I heard it, but it features KS again as guest musician. I've heard a bit of Seven Up, I think, but the crazy singing drove me away, if I remember correctly. Ashra/Ash Ra Tempel/Göttsching is still something I want to know more about. >Took the plunge last night. >You should find me on your list. >I have not heard any Ashra, so I look forward to hear some to see what the >rave is. >Dale Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim@n... From: 'Phil White' Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 11:42 am Subject: Lifted Cloth ? Hi all, Re: 'Lifted Cloth (?) ' Could someone please enlighten me further to the origin of this title and IS it the recording to obtain of the concert? Thanks Phil NP Fassbinder Concert [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33375 Re: Lifted Cloth ? braddito Mon 4/15/2002 2 KB 33379 Re: Lifted Cloth ? goozergrafx Mon 4/15/2002 2 KB From: 'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz' Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 1:53 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Darwin's Motel >Rick > > All I know it is Polish and it is quite strange. > > Pal I don't think so. I'm Polish and I can't understand those words... cheers Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jerry@t... Visit my website at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 2:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Darwin's Motel Hi Everyone. Not that I know the language, but it sounds like Thai to me. I can easily be wrong with that, of course. But of course, it also sounds like she's saying things like 'Tada!', 'Wash me!', 'Dressing's never enough!', 'Check BVD's' :-) Dave B. -----Original Message----- From: Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, April 14, 2002 6:53 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] Darwin's Motel >>Rick >> >> All I know it is Polish and it is quite strange. >> >> Pal > >I don't think so. I'm Polish and I can't understand those words... > >cheers > >Jarek 'Jerry' >mailto:jerry@t... >Visit my website at: >http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ > > From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 2:51 pm Subject: White Cloths >Hi all, > >Re: 'Lifted Cloth (?) ' > >Could someone please enlighten me further to the origin >of this title and IS it the recording to obtain of the concert? > >Thanks Phil White As for the title, a photograph of the actual concert sheds light on that: http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/whitecloths.jpg It's a very nice recording of the entire Evening 31.01.1980 Palast der Republik concert, plus the radio announcement before hand and an interview after. However, the absolute clearest recording of this concert is titled 'Lifted Curtain'. No doubt it will be on a future Tangerine Tree. Lifted Curtain replaces Staatsgrenze West, White Cloths and all other recordings of the Evening show. -Morgan From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 3:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Darwin's Motel >Not that I know the language, but it sounds like Thai to me. I can easily >be wrong with that, of course. But of course, it also sounds like she's >saying things like 'Tada!', 'Wash me!', 'Dressing's never enough!', 'Check >BVD's' :-) I suspect they're just nonsense words... 'so hat jedaa' 'tadaa' 'precen never denaa' 'patrice' 'shet baby hee' Yep, they can be interpreped as something meaningful, but I don't think there's any more sense than in Wahn, or Michael Hoening's Voices of Where... The 'ungawora ough ouu ungoee' in Towards The Evening Star counts quite probably in this category too. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From: 'fozziebear' Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 5:48 pm Subject: 31 1 80 Did anyone on this list go to that concert? Can they describe how the cloths were used. Looks like a lot of them on the pictures that I have seen. Were lasers shone on them? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 6:26 pm Subject: White Cloths >fozziebear asked: >Did anyone on this list go to that concert? Can they describe how the cloths >were used. Looks like a lot of them on the pictures that I have seen. Were >lasers shone on them? > >David If we could find someone who was at the evening show, we could get some confirmation about the afternoon show. *sigh* -Morgan From: ampmusic Date: Sun Apr 14, 2002 9:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1308 > > Message: 10 > Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:35:22 +0300 > From: 'John Vertical' > Subject: Re: Darwin's Motel > Yep, they can be interpreped as something meaningful, but I don't think > there's any more sense than in Wahn, or Michael Hoening's Voices of Where... > The 'ungawora ough ouu ungoee' in Towards The Evening Star counts quite > probably in this category too. > > John Vertical 'Voices of Where' makes lots more sense if you play it backwards. And understand German. And are maybe a Buddhist, or have read the Kama Sutra :-) From: Morgan Feldon Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 4:39 am Subject: Montreal 77 CHOM-FM Anyone familiar with this? Anyone know the lineage of the tape used? Or who remastered it? I've got some comments, but I'll save them so I don't go down the same road I did last week. :) :) Thanks in advance! ******************************** Tangerine Dream Escape From Earth Montreal - Place Des Arts 9.04.1977 CHOM-FM Recording Disc 1 1. Art Line 18:28 (radio announce chopped off) 2. Monolight 23:53 3. Retrosphere 23:57 Disc 2 1. Revenge of Mr. F 23:47 2. Return From Hotwater Canyon 11:02 3. Unknown Direct Bonus Track 12:00 4. Silver Scale (live 1980) 24:58 Remastered Edition 3Nutki2001 CD3N042 From: Armin Theissen Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 8:27 am Subject: The Pentestarch of Cosmogony Hi, got the following email. Anybody knows of a TD album (probably bootleg) called 'The Pentestarch of Cosmogony' ? armin ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- Delivered-To: ath@s... From: 'Leo Hancock' To: Subject: Tangerine Dream stuff Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 23:20:13 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Hi, Managed to get a copy of a TD somg from some guy on out network, andi've remembered an album I used to have of theirs that I can't find refererence to anywhere on either the official site or any of the offshoots. it's called 'the pentastarch of cosmogony' I believe. Have you ever heard of it? Thanks, Darker Rage ------------- End Forwarded Message ------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33371 Re: The Pentestarch of Cosmogony Phil White Mon 4/15/2002 3 KB 33376 Re: The Pentestarch of Cosmogony hyperboreauk Mon 4/15/2002 2 KB 33382 Re: The Pentestarch of Cosmogony RJF Mon 4/15/2002 3 KB 33372 Re: The Pentestarch of Cosmogony Nick Adams Mon 4/15/2002 2 KB 33444 Re: The Pentestarch of Cosmogony GCall10692@a... Fri 4/19/2002 2 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 8:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Darwin's Motel Hi, I remember that somebody here mentioned (at the time Goblin's Club was released) that this voice is sampled from an album by 'Enigma'... armin > > >Not that I know the language, but it sounds like Thai to me. I can easily > >be wrong with that, of course. But of course, it also sounds like she's > >saying things like 'Tada!', 'Wash me!', 'Dressing's never enough!', 'Check > >BVD's' :-) > > > I suspect they're just nonsense words... > 'so hat jedaa' > 'tadaa' > 'precen never denaa' > 'patrice' > 'shet baby hee' > Yep, they can be interpreped as something meaningful, but I don't think > there's any more sense than in Wahn, or Michael Hoening's Voices of Where... > The 'ungawora ough ouu ungoee' in Towards The Evening Star counts quite > probably in this category too. > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'Greg' Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 9:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Darwin's Motel I think it is more likely to be sampled off a sample collection of various cultural vocals and such. The two groups probably used the same samples. It makes me wonder what the validity of what Enigma does if their vocals are from collections like 10,000 native samples and the ilk. As far as TD goes, it seems they were trying to cash in on the New Age trend. Greg H. > > Hi, > > I remember that somebody here mentioned (at the time Goblin's Club was > released) that this voice is sampled from an album by 'Enigma'... > > armin > > > > > >Not that I know the language, but it sounds like Thai to me. I can easily > > >be wrong with that, of course. But of course, it also sounds like she's > > >saying things like 'Tada!', 'Wash me!', 'Dressing's never enough!', 'Check > > >BVD's' :-) > > > > > > I suspect they're just nonsense words... > > 'so hat jedaa' > > 'tadaa' > > 'precen never denaa' > > 'patrice' > > 'shet baby hee' > > Yep, they can be interpreped as something meaningful, but I don't think > > there's any more sense than in Wahn, or Michael Hoening's Voices of Where... > > The 'ungawora ough ouu ungoee' in Towards The Evening Star counts quite > > probably in this category too. > > > > John Vertical From: 'Phil White' Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 9:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Pentestarch of Cosmogony Hello Armin... Hope this helps..... The recording you probably refer to is 'The Pentateuch Of The Cosmogony' which was recorded by UK band Greenslade in conjunction with fantasy writer and artist Patrick Woodroffe in the mid seventies. It was a double vinyl release which cam in hardback covers and encompassed a 47 page book. I actually owned it once but the artwork was far superior to its musical content ( IMO ) and I quickly sold it to an unsuspecting 'mate' Regards Phil Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33376 Re: The Pentestarch of Cosmogony hyperboreauk Mon 4/15/2002 2 KB 33382 Re: The Pentestarch of Cosmogony RJF Mon 4/15/2002 3 KB From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 10:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] The Pentestarch of Cosmogony From: 'Armin Theissen' > got the following email. Anybody knows of a TD album (probably bootleg) > called 'The Pentestarch of Cosmogony' ? This wasn't TD, this was actually an Album by Dave Greenslade. The Double album came in a big LP size book that contains mythological drawings and stories by patrick woodroffe. Nick NP Steve Baltes / Rhythm of Life Home Nicad@n... Work Nick_Adams@L... ICQ 44174543 From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 10:37 am Subject: RE: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg I've also suggested that following editions be named >'Dancer Quite Slowly' and/or 'Kaleidoscope Eyes', both of which would have a >double-related reference, as 'DQS' is the Td mastering system, *Btw, Joe, it´s 'DQC'.... ;-) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 10:57 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Soundtrack for Fantasy' bootleg > *Btw, Joe, it´s 'DQC'.... ;-) Hello Martin, what does 'DQC' stand for?.....'deranged quadophronic cacaphony'? ;-) Regards Heiko From: 'braddito' Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 11:31 am Subject: Re: Lifted Cloth ? I had wondered if it was intended as 'Lifted Curtain' as a reference to the Iron Curtain that TD crossed to play in old East Berlin ? Toby > Re: 'Lifted Cloth (?) ' > > Could someone please enlighten me further to the origin > of this title and IS it the recording to obtain of the concert? > > Thanks Phil From: 'hyperboreauk' Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 11:34 am Subject: Re: The Pentestarch of Cosmogony --- In tadream@y..., 'Phil White' wrote: > Hello Armin... > Hope this helps..... > > The recording you probably refer to is 'The Pentateuch Of The Cosmogony' > > . I actually owned it once but the artwork was far superior to > its musical content ( IMO ) and I quickly sold it to an unsuspecting 'mate' > > Regards Phil I have to disagree Phil I discovered this around the same time I got into TD and think it is a great album so good I got it on CD as well only played it the other day still sounds great. Cheers Gary From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 3:24 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: no, not marmalade,please ... hey- i have an idea: why don't we just keep it 'Tangerine Tree'? ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Synthhtnys@a... [mailto:Synthhtnys@a...] > > In a message dated 4/13/2002 8:02:26 AM Central Daylight Time, > np97fa@m... writes: > > > > > I agree......Tangerine Tree for ALL new volumes. This > will keep it uniform > > > and consistent IMO. > > I agree too. > > Antonio > > I'll put in my vote for Tangerine Tree too... > Poly Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33386 Re: no, not marmalade,please ... Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Mon 4/15/2002 3 KB From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 4:28 pm Subject: Tangerine Tree I think Tangerine Tree is a great name and would not mind if we kept using it. From: 'goozergrafx' Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 4:42 pm Subject: Re: Lifted Cloth ? The correct title is 'Lifted Curtain'. As with 'Logotypes', I know the details in naning this one, too. It is intended to be a reference to the fact that TD was the first western band to play behind the Iron Curtain. There is art for it, but I've only ever heard of one copy that has it. --- In tadream@y..., 'Phil White' wrote: > Hi all, > > Re: 'Lifted Cloth (?) ' > > Could someone please enlighten me further to the origin > of this title and IS it the recording to obtain of the concert? > > Thanks Phil > > NP Fassbinder Concert > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Mark Filipak Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 5:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: no, not marmalade,please ... Joe Shoults wrote: > > hey- i have an idea: why don't we just keep it 'Tangerine Tree'? ;-) I still want something dignified, in German. How about 'Das Dumkaufen mit der Komputer Plunkenzee Muzik'. ARF! -- Mark -- See my resume: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/resume/ See my music trade pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~filipak/music/ Last updated: 14 April 2002 From: scfeldman@j... Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 5:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:28:11 -0700 'Whiteley, Steve' writes: >I think Tangerine Tree is a great name and would not mind >if we kept using it. Yeah, but it's a bit like the term 'post-modern.' Once it's used, what do you call the trees in its wake? ;) -- Steven Feldman + + + + + + + 'David Bowie told me Brian Eno gave him a record of I Feel Love and said 'David . . . I heard the future!'' -- Giorgio Moroder, on the UK Channel 4 television special, 'The UK's Greatest #1 Singles,' on January 6, 2001 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: RJF Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 6:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Pentestarch of Cosmogony Sorry, but I must correct the following information. It was Dave Greenslade who recorded the album, NOT his old 70's band Greenslade. They are poles apart! >Hello Armin... >Hope this helps..... > >The recording you probably refer to is 'The Pentateuch Of The Cosmogony' >which was recorded by UK band Greenslade in conjunction with fantasy writer >and artist Patrick Woodroffe in the mid seventies. >It was a double vinyl release which cam in hardback covers and encompassed a >47 page book. I actually owned it once but the artwork was far superior to >its musical content ( IMO ) and I quickly sold it to an unsuspecting 'mate' > >Regards Phil > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > -- Richard F From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 6:39 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Darwin's Motel It's evidently a publicly available sample, since Enigma used the identical bit on Enigma 3 (I forget which track). Personally, I think it fit the Enigma track much better. James > -----Original Message----- > >Hi All! > > > > I was curious while sitting here listening to Goblin's > Club (A great cd > >by the way) if anyone knew what the lady is saying on Darwin's Motel. > > > >Thanks! > >Rick > > All I know it is Polish and it is quite strange. > > Pal From: 'fozziebear' Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 7:15 pm Subject: Tangerine Tree I vote for Tangerine Tree. After all this could well become a forest. np David Bowie June 27,2000 God is an American, I'm afraid of Americans David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 7:52 pm Subject: inferno review Hi all. I've been wanting to post a review of Inferno since I got the CD but never really managed to find some time for it. If there is still someone here who hasn't heard it yet (official version or not), here is a quick review. Well first, of course it is vocal music. It has some instrumental breaks though. I have to say that the voices and the music work very well together although some tracks are a bit spoiled to me as I never liked opera voices. it takes a bit more time to get into than the dream mixes and it requires a more active listening but if you just play it as background music, it can as well be a 1 hour+ musical tapestry that sounds very homogeneous. Actually, it tends to get a bit monotonous to me towards the middle of the album. But then comes La grey de los almas perdidas and it's a real delight to listen to. Of course, I guess the lyrics are not that joyfull but well, I don't get spanish anyway. I've always been pretty much into the jerome style so I must say that I really envoy a lot tracks 16&17that wakes me up a little bit before the finale. Those pieces develop a strong atmosphere with the traditionnal jerome trademark (and they forgot crediting siouxsie for the vocals...) But this album is certainly Edgar's baby and you can recognize it from the very begining of the CD. The first tracks work very well for me. Of course, it's true that it's always more or less the same chords and the same sounds but well, they seem to sound different here. Which gets me to my usual question : why doesn't Edgar try to produce other musicians? I'm sure he could do interesting stuff. All in all, it's a really enjoyable album that deserve several listens to be fully appreciated. It is undoubtfully TD and it's different in the same time. It mixes neo-classical and usual TD style with vocals. This is certainly an ambitious work. It's quiet music with very few drumming, lots of layers (no surprise) and some classic sequences as well although they are sometimes a bit to low in the mix. To conclude, I have to say that the boys still found the way to amaze me once more. So now, what's next? thomas. ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33410 Re: inferno review Joe Shoults Tue 4/16/2002 2 KB 33415 Re: inferno review thomas.soucheleau@n... Wed 4/17/2002 2 KB 33432 Re: inferno review Joe Shoults Thu 4/18/2002 2 KB From: 'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz' Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 7:17 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: no, not marmalade,please ... > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 5:25 PM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: no, not marmalade,please ... > > > hey- i have an idea: why don't we just keep it 'Tangerine Tree'? ;-) This is the best idea I think! Please, everybody DO NOT suggest any change of the title... BTW: All the CDs are excellent!! Thanks all of you involved in the release Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jerry@t... Visit my website at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ From: Antonio Nunes Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 7:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Darwin's Motel James Owens wrote: > > It's evidently a publicly available sample, since Enigma used the identical > bit on Enigma 3 (I forget which track). Personally, I think it fit the > Enigma track much better. I've found also an artist on mp3.com who uses the same sample. Curiously the song name is 'Dark Dreams'. Personally I think the sample fits this exotic song even better than in the Enigma track. You can listen to it at http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/94/tolga_.html BTW, the Enigma 3 album liner notes says: Samples taken from (...) Lettonie - Musiques des rites solaires by Rasa Ensemble Riga Vocal and instrumental music of Mongolia. So, the sample on 'Darwin's Motel' must be one of these. Antonio np: Dreamwatchers' Tales II From: ampmusic Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 12:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1309 Message: 17 > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:33:11 +0100 > From: RJF > Subject: Re: The Pentestarch of Cosmogony > > Sorry, but I must correct the following information. It was Dave > Greenslade who recorded the album, NOT his old 70's band Greenslade. > They are poles apart! > > >Hello Armin... > >Hope this helps..... > > > >The recording you probably refer to is 'The Pentateuch Of The Cosmogony' > >which was recorded by UK band Greenslade in conjunction with fantasy writer > >and artist Patrick Woodroffe in the mid seventies. > >It was a double vinyl release which cam in hardback covers and encompassed a > >47 page book. I actually owned it once but the artwork was far superior to > >its musical content ( IMO ) and I quickly sold it to an unsuspecting 'mate' > > > >Regards Phil > > 'Pentateuch' works best in LP format with the original big artwork, though the CD release (BGO Records BGOCD170, 1994) is nice enough too. Phil Collins made a very small appearance on percussion, but the music comes otherwise from the 20 or so keyboards, synths and other instruments played by Dave Greenslade. As a taster, the closing track 'The Tiger and the Dove' was remixed for 'Music for the 3rd Millennium Vol. 2' (AMP Records AMP-CD 041, 2001) and was described as sounding like something Edgar Froese solo might have done; one of Paul Haslinger's 'Octahedron' pieces is on the same CD, along with tracks from Michael Rother (Neu!) with Dieter Moebius (Cluster), and other Berliners like Bernd Kistenmacher...check http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampcds.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33390 Re: Digest Number 1309 Robert Wear Tue 4/16/2002 2 KB From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 1:12 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Tree 'post-modern' Obsolete. I don't see new trees being made. I see one giant tree, stretching out, dwarfing all previous trees. Every rainy season we get a new tree ring. Heiko is our rain dancer and my personal hero. > Yeah, but it's a bit like the term 'post-modern.' Once >it's used, what do you call the trees in its wake? ;) > > -- Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33391 Re: Tangerine Tree 'post-modern' John Vertical Tue 4/16/2002 2 KB 33393 Re: Tangerine Tree 'post-modern' Heiko Heerssen Tue 4/16/2002 2 KB 33394 Re: Tangerine Tree 'post-modern' Admin Tue 4/16/2002 3 KB From: 'Robert Wear' Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 3:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1309 Message: 3 Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:27:07 +0100 (BST) From: Armin Theissen Subject: The Pentestarch of Cosmogony Hi, got the following email. Anybody knows of a TD album (probably bootleg) called 'The Pentestarch of Cosmogony' ? armin I have this CD but it is buy Dave Greenslade. Robert Wear From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 4:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 'post-modern' >Obsolete. I don't see new trees being made. I see one giant tree, >stretching >out, dwarfing all previous trees. Every rainy season we get a new tree >ring. >Heiko is our rain dancer and my personal hero. > > > Yeah, but it's a bit like the term 'post-modern.' Once > >it's used, what do you call the trees in its wake? ;) And even if we would seed a new tree... This name has already been used, it won't help complaining about that now. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 5:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Darwin's Motel >I've found also an artist on mp3.com who uses the same sample. Curiously >the song name is 'Dark Dreams'. Personally I think the sample fits this >exotic song even better than in the Enigma track. You can listen to it >at http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/94/tolga_.html > >BTW, the Enigma 3 album liner notes says: >Samples taken from (...) Lettonie - Musiques des rites solaires by Rasa >Ensemble Riga >Vocal and instrumental music of Mongolia. > >So, the sample on 'Darwin's Motel' must be one of these. It wasn't too dark if you ask me. In the beginning it seemed almost like a rip-off of No Man's Land... Okay, so they're Mongolian... Is anyone here from Mongolia? :-b John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 6:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 'post-modern' > Obsolete. I don't see new trees being made. I see one giant tree, stretching > out, dwarfing all previous trees. Every rainy season we get a new tree ring. > Heiko is our rain dancer and my personal hero. a 'rain dancer'....that would explain the miserable weather we have here since a couple of days! ;-) For me the real heroes are the people who taped the shows, and those who remastered them...and of course Tangerine Dream :-) Regards Heiko n.p. on my Discman: forthcoming 'Tangerine Tree' concert London Royal Albert Hall April 2,1975 (I'm in analogue heaven :-) From: 'Admin' Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 6:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 'post-modern' Well at least you are able to make post and mail now. So all that fancy dancing must have worked. Dale ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Heiko Heerssen' To: Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree 'post-modern' > > > > Obsolete. I don't see new trees being made. I see one giant tree, stretching > > out, dwarfing all previous trees. Every rainy season we get a new tree ring. > > Heiko is our rain dancer and my personal hero. > > a 'rain dancer'....that would explain the miserable weather we have here since a > couple of days! ;-) > For me the real heroes are the people who taped the shows, and those who > remastered them...and of course Tangerine Dream :-) > > Regards > Heiko > n.p. on my Discman: forthcoming 'Tangerine Tree' concert London Royal Albert > Hall April 2,1975 (I'm in analogue heaven :-) > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 7:01 am Subject: Just bought Klaus Schulze 72 x 93 The Essential Christopher Franke epic I did look for Ashra, did not find. Did find Bjorn Lynne, which on the write up he was compared to TD, Optical Race era. I did see hear some influences. Revive is the one I would have bought if found there. Here is his web site http://www.lynnemusic.com/sitemap.html . You can find midi's samples and more of stuff he is giving away. Has anyone else heard of this guy? All these things I found at Barnes & Noble... I also bought another copy of Logos. As it turns out the Version I already have from Europe (Virgin) is the same just a different cover. I saw a CD of Edgar's Aqua there so I might exchange it for it. Well there you have it, this was my wild night on the town during my birthday. Dale ;-) not happy that I am another year older. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33396 Re: Just bought Synthhtnys@a... Tue 4/16/2002 2 KB 33418 Re: Just bought Gustavo Jobim Wed 4/17/2002 2 KB 33400 Re: Just bought Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Med Tue 4/16/2002 2 KB 33402 Re: Just bought Matthew Stringer Tue 4/16/2002 4 KB 33403 Re: Just bought Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 4/16/2002 3 KB 33405 Re: Just bought Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 4/16/2002 2 KB 33407 Re: Just bought Antonio Nunes Tue 4/16/2002 2 KB 33409 Re: Just bought Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Med Tue 4/16/2002 3 KB 33413 Re: Just bought Synthhtnys@a... Tue 4/16/2002 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 7:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Just bought In a message dated 4/16/2002 2:01:48 AM Central Daylight Time, admin@k... writes: > Klaus Schulze > 72 x 93 The Essential > *I find this collection extremely odd... how can you have an 'essential' KS anthology with no Mirage representation, BUT have Weird Caravan included is beyond me... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33418 Re: Just bought Gustavo Jobim Wed 4/17/2002 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 8:13 am Subject: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' Hello Gang, I thought it might be a good idea to let you know the tracklist for the next 'tree'. I think that it will take me at least 3-4 weeks before everything is ready for distribution, but I guess there's no need to hurry right now since some of the leaves still haven't received their discs from TT1 ;-) So unless TDI doesn't send me a huge parcel full of unreleased live tapes this is what you will have to cope with: ;-) Vol.9: London Royal Albert Hall 02 April 1975 complete concert (source: digital copy of BBC IPS master tape, plus 1st generation audience tape) 2 CDRs, remastered by 'Tentbuckum' Vol.10: Newcastle City Hall 25 October 1981 (audience master tape) 2 CDRs, remastered by 'Tentbuckum' Vol.11: Birmingham Odeon Theatre 17 March 1986 (2nd generation tape...have yet to find out if it's an audience or a mixing desk recording) 2 CDRs remastered by 'Tentbuckum' Vol. 12: a 2 CDR compilation with 'lone tracks', mostly taken from the German radio shows 'Elektrobeats' and 'Schwingungen', but also includes some tracks taken from TV broadcasts. Vol. 13: Mannheim Mozartsaal 31 October 1976 (audience master tape) 2 CDRs, remastered by 'Jabberwock' (*bad luck for people like me who can only listen to CDRs: the whole Mannheim show runs for ca. 81 minutes and would almost fit onto 1 CDR, but it's impossible to shorten it. Maybe I should add the remastered 1st gen. audience tape of Saarbrücken Universität 24 January 1976 as a bonus? This concert has a length of ca. 59 minutes and since both the tapes of Mannheim & Saarbrücken were discovered last year at the same time they both have some sort of relation to each other....what do you think? Although I don't like the idea of releasing two concerts on one Volume, I think this could be an xception to the rule, and instead of 81 minutes we would have 140 minutes on two CDRs.*) Vol. 14: Paris Bataclan 02 February 1981 (audience master tape) 2 CDRs, remastered by 'Jabberwock' Vol. 15: Warsaw Mart Swietokrzyski 31 August 2001 'The most beautiful rock for peace' (Part 1) (Soundboard recording) 2 CDRs, remastered by '3N' Vol. 16: Warsaw Mart Swietokrzyski 31 August 2001 'The most beautiful rock for peace' (Part 2) (Soundboard & DAT master recording + excerpts from the Press conference) 1 CDR, remastered by '3N' and Jaroslaw 'Jerry' Wiktorowicz. Regards Tree Man Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33398 Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' braddito Tue 4/16/2002 2 KB 33399 Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' Heiko Heerssen Tue 4/16/2002 2 KB 33401 Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' John Marchington Tue 4/16/2002 3 KB 33406 Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' Jonathan Holt Tue 4/16/2002 2 KB 33408 Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz Tue 4/16/2002 2 KB 33412 Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' Chris Owen Tue 4/16/2002 3 KB 33424 Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' Jonathan Holt Thu 4/18/2002 3 KB 33416 Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' Dennis Nigbur Wed 4/17/2002 5 KB 33417 Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' Armin Theissen Wed 4/17/2002 6 KB From: 'braddito' Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 8:46 am Subject: Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' Heiko, it sounds like a good idea to maximise the use of the discs in the tree - the end recipients can always split the shows out to separate discs if a tracklist is provided. Have the same cover art guy's been contacted as I thought the art for TT1 was excellent. Regards Toby > > Vol. 13: Mannheim Mozartsaal 31 October 1976 (audience master tape) 2 > CDRs, remastered by 'Jabberwock' > (*bad luck for people like me who can only listen to CDRs: the whole > Mannheim show runs for ca. 81 minutes and would almost fit onto 1 CDR, > but it's impossible to shorten it. Maybe I should add the remastered 1st > gen. audience tape of Saarbrücken Universität 24 January 1976 as a > bonus? This concert has a length of ca. 59 minutes From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 9:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' > Have the same cover art guy's been contacted as I thought the art for > TT1 was excellent. Yes, I told them about the new tracklist yesterday, and all three of them will again be responsible for doing the cover artwork for Vol. 9-16, but for subsequent volumes there will be some changes in the 'line up' (there are two other list members who also wanted to create cover artwork for TT..I guess we will find a solution that pleases everybody :-) Heiko P.S.: can someone explain to me the difference between a mixing desk and a soundboard recording (in case there is one?) From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 9:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Just bought ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Admin' > Did find Bjorn Lynne, which on the write up he was compared to TD, Optical > Race era. I did see hear some influences. Revive is the one I would have > bought if found there. Here is his web site > http://www.lynnemusic.com/sitemap.html . You can find midi's samples and > more of stuff he is giving away. Has anyone else heard of this guy? He is from Norway, but living in England and making music for games, movies, etc as well as his own music. I have several of his CDs and have met him on a few occasions. Glenn From: 'John Marchington' Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 12:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' Sounds like some more great music, Heiko. I agree about maximising CD-R space too -- providing, of course, there is always a musically convenient place to end a disc. We don't want any fade outs in the middle of a composition, do we? Glad to hear Gustavo, Maff and Marko are back at their easels for this next instalment and my printer ink cartridge supplier will be pleased as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'braddito' To: Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 8:46 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' Heiko, it sounds like a good idea to maximise the use of the discs in the tree - the end recipients can always split the shows out to separate discs if a tracklist is provided. Have the same cover art guy's been contacted as I thought the art for TT1 was excellent. Regards Toby > > Vol. 13: Mannheim Mozartsaal 31 October 1976 (audience master tape) 2 > CDRs, remastered by 'Jabberwock' > (*bad luck for people like me who can only listen to CDRs: the whole > Mannheim show runs for ca. 81 minutes and would almost fit onto 1 CDR, > but it's impossible to shorten it. Maybe I should add the remastered 1st > gen. audience tape of Saarbrücken Universität 24 January 1976 as a > bonus? This concert has a length of ca. 59 minutes ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 2:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Just bought Bjorn Lynne made his name in the world of computer music mainly on systems like the Amiga and Atari ST. He went on to bring out studio verisions of these tracks on CD and then from there progressed to full synth albums. He's done a ton of stuff and nearly all of it is first rate. I wouldn't compare him to any one else as I think he has his own style, I once read that he'd never heard any music by TD and so he doesn't fall into the sequencer class of music. I would recommend a listen to any of his music. He's also a nice guy who has a lot of time for people interested in his work. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Admin' To: Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 8:01 AM Subject: [tadream] Just bought > Klaus Schulze > 72 x 93 The Essential > > Christopher Franke > epic > > I did look for Ashra, did not find. > > Did find Bjorn Lynne, which on the write up he was compared to TD, Optical > Race era. I did see hear some influences. Revive is the one I would have > bought if found there. Here is his web site > http://www.lynnemusic.com/sitemap.html . You can find midi's samples and > more of stuff he is giving away. Has anyone else heard of this guy? > > All these things I found at Barnes & Noble... > > I also bought another copy of Logos. As it turns out the Version I already > have from Europe (Virgin) is the same just a different cover. I saw a CD of > Edgar's Aqua there so I might exchange it for it. > > Well there you have it, this was my wild night on the town during my > birthday. > > Dale > > ;-) not happy that I am another year older. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Just bought Next time you see him tell him he might have another fan brewing. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' To: Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 2:36 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Just bought > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Admin' > > > Did find Bjorn Lynne, which on the write up he was compared to TD, Optical > > Race era. I did see hear some influences. Revive is the one I would have > > bought if found there. Here is his web site > > http://www.lynnemusic.com/sitemap.html . You can find midi's samples and > > more of stuff he is giving away. Has anyone else heard of this guy? > > He is from Norway, but living in England and making music for games, movies, > etc as well as his own music. I have several of his CDs and have met him on > a few occasions. > > Glenn > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 4:01 pm Subject: Tree II >Heiko said: >Vol. 13: Mannheim Mozartsaal 31 October 1976 (audience master tape) 2 >CDRs, remastered by 'Jabberwock' >(*bad luck for people like me who can only listen to CDRs: the whole >Mannheim show runs for ca. 81 minutes and would almost fit onto 1 CDR, >but it's impossible to shorten it. Maybe I should add the remastered 1st >gen. audience tape of Saarbrücken Universität 24 January 1976 as a >bonus? This concert has a length of ca. 59 minutes and since both the >tapes of Mannheim & Saarbrücken were discovered last year at the same >time they both have some sort of relation to each other....what do you >think? Although I don't like the idea of releasing two concerts on one >Volume, I think this could be an xception to the rule, and instead of >81 minutes we would have 140 minutes on two CDRs.*) I agree that this (and only this) should be an exception. Mannheim 76 is a cool concert. Saarbrucken is not quite as exciting, but both are first generation tapes so they fit the purpose of the tree. I'd say put all of Mannheim 76 except the 2nd encore on disc 1, then the 2nd encore and all of Saarbrucken on the second disc. That way they are almost complete segregated except for that 10 minute encore. -Morgan From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 4:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Just bought Well I have to agree with you. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Just bought > In a message dated 4/16/2002 2:01:48 AM Central Daylight Time, > admin@k... writes: > > > > Klaus Schulze > > 72 x 93 The Essential > > > > *I find this collection extremely odd... how can you have an 'essential' KS > anthology with no Mirage representation, BUT have Weird Caravan included is > beyond me... > Poly From: Jonathan Holt Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 5:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' About 10 years ago BBC Radio1 played a 35min excerpt from what I believe is vol9. I hope it was because what I heard (and taped) that night was amazing. Drooling already, Jonathan. ______________________________________________________________________ Find, Connect Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 2:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Just bought Admin wrote: > > Did find Bjorn Lynne, which on the write up he was compared to TD, Optical > Race era. I did see hear some influences. Revive is the one I would have > bought if found there. Here is his web site > http://www.lynnemusic.com/sitemap.html . You can find midi's samples and > more of stuff he is giving away. He has also 2 pages on mp3.com with many tracks available: http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/0/bjorn_lynne.html http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/17/game_music_by_bjorn_lynne.html I didn't care about game music, but after hearing the Bjorn Lynne tracks on this page, I've changed my mind. Antonio From: 'Jaroslaw Wiktorowicz' Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 8:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' > Vol. 16: Warsaw Mart Swietokrzyski 31 August 2001 'The most beautiful > rock for peace' (Part 2) > (Soundboard & DAT master recording + excerpts from the Press > conference) > 1 CDR, remastered by '3N' and Jaroslaw 'Jerry' Wiktorowicz. Heiko, it should be 'Most', not 'Mart'... cheers Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jerry@t... Visit my website at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Just bought ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Matthew Stringer' > I wouldn't compare him to any one else as I think he has his own style, I > once read that he'd never heard any music by TD and so he doesn't fall into > the sequencer class of music. Well, I wouldnt say that he doesnt fall into the sequencer class of music just because he never heard any TD music. It is quite possible to make sequencer music without ever having heard any TD music. Mainly because lots of other bands and artists also make 'sequencer music'. But I would say that Lynne doesnt belong in that category because he simply doesnt. But it has nothing to do with having heard TD or not. Glenn From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 9:30 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] inferno review > -----Original Message----- > From: thomas.soucheleau@n... > forgot crediting siouxsie for the vocals...) you mean Siouxsie from Creatures/Banshees? From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 9:22 pm Subject: Tree naming I have this recurring fantasy about buying a yacht and cruising down the Tennessee river listing to classic TD concerts in superior sound quality. I guess you could say I picture myself in a boat on a river, with Tangerine Tree (and Marmalade Skies?) James > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > > I don't know. The name 'Tangerine Tree' could refer to the > overall project > on an ongoing basis, and names like 'Marmalade Skies' could refer to > specific edition/volume releases (with this last original > issue just having > the singular name of 'Tangerine Tree'). Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33544 Re: Tree naming Adele Outland Wed 4/24/2002 2 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 3:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' I remember the BBC playing this too Jonathan. I happened to be just going through the frequencies on my radio (can't recall what I was searching for), and was amazed to stumbed upon TD! If I remember right, it was Alan Freeman's show, and you're right, it seems about 10 years ago to me too. - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Holt To: Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' > About 10 years ago BBC Radio1 played a 35min excerpt > from what I believe is vol9. I hope it was because > what I heard (and taped) that night was amazing. > > Drooling already, > Jonathan. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33424 Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' Jonathan Holt Thu 4/18/2002 3 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 9:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Just bought In a message dated 4/16/2002 3:51:53 PM Central Daylight Time, glenn@f... writes: > . Mainly because lots > of other bands and artists also make 'sequencer music'. > > But I would say that Lynne doesnt belong in that category because he simply > doesnt. But it has nothing to do with having heard TD or not. > > Glenn > * Charlie Christian was the first to use electric guitar... this doesn't mean that all who followed were influenced by him. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Robert Wear' Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 3:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1310 Did find Bjorn Lynne, which on the write up he was compared to TD, Optical Race era. I did see hear some influences. Revive is the one I would have bought if found there. Here is his web site http://www.lynnemusic.com/sitemap.html . You can find midi's samples and more of stuff he is giving away. Has anyone else heard of this guy? I have quite a few of Bjorn's CDs. They are very good. His early game music CDs were under the name of Dr. Awesome. He still does game music but his best work is his regular compositions such as Revive, The Void, and The Timura Trilogy. His recordings are very dynamic with deep bass especially The Void. Robert Wear From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 8:13 am Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] inferno review Damn it! I never have the original message when I click the reply button. I guess it was from joe shoults. About Siouxsie, it was just some kind of private joke... The singer on track 17 indeed made me think of a song I can't remember the name by siouxsie and the banshees. thomas. ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 10:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' Beautiful! Where can I sign up for the second leg of the tree? Dennis On 16 Apr 2002 at 10:13, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > Hello Gang, > I thought it might be a good idea to let you know the tracklist for > the next 'tree'. I think that it will take me at least 3-4 weeks > before everything is ready for distribution, but I guess there's no > need to hurry right now since some of the leaves still haven't > received their discs from TT1 ;-) So unless TDI doesn't send me a huge > parcel full of unreleased live tapes this is what you will have to > cope with: ;-) > > Vol.9: London Royal Albert Hall 02 April 1975 complete concert > (source: digital copy of BBC IPS master tape, plus 1st generation > audience tape) 2 CDRs, remastered by 'Tentbuckum' > > Vol.10: Newcastle City Hall 25 October 1981 (audience master tape) 2 > CDRs, remastered by 'Tentbuckum' > > Vol.11: Birmingham Odeon Theatre 17 March 1986 (2nd generation > tape...have yet to find out if it's an audience or a mixing desk > recording) 2 CDRs remastered by 'Tentbuckum' > > Vol. 12: a 2 CDR compilation with 'lone tracks', mostly taken from the > German radio shows 'Elektrobeats' and 'Schwingungen', but also > includes some tracks taken from TV broadcasts. > > Vol. 13: Mannheim Mozartsaal 31 October 1976 (audience master tape) 2 > CDRs, remastered by 'Jabberwock' (*bad luck for people like me who can > only listen to CDRs: the whole Mannheim show runs for ca. 81 minutes > and would almost fit onto 1 CDR, but it's impossible to shorten it. > Maybe I should add the remastered 1st gen. audience tape of > Saarbrücken Universität 24 January 1976 as a bonus? This concert has a > length of ca. 59 minutes and since both the tapes of Mannheim & > Saarbrücken were discovered last year at the same time they both have > some sort of relation to each other....what do you think? Although I > don't like the idea of releasing two concerts on one Volume, I think > this could be an xception to the rule, and instead of 81 minutes we > would have 140 minutes on two CDRs.*) > > Vol. 14: Paris Bataclan 02 February 1981 (audience master tape) 2 > CDRs, remastered by 'Jabberwock' > > Vol. 15: Warsaw Mart Swietokrzyski 31 August 2001 'The most beautiful > rock for peace' (Part 1) (Soundboard recording) 2 CDRs, remastered by > '3N' > > Vol. 16: Warsaw Mart Swietokrzyski 31 August 2001 'The most beautiful > rock for peace' (Part 2) (Soundboard & DAT master recording + excerpts > from the Press conference) 1 CDR, remastered by '3N' and Jaroslaw > 'Jerry' Wiktorowicz. > > Regards > Tree Man > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 12:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' yes, I wnat to be in there again as well. Though: my source, Conrad, has still not come back to me to tell me what to do in return for getting the CDs (I assume blanks but I'd love to get this confirmed...) armin > > Beautiful! Where can I sign up for the second leg of the tree? > > Dennis > > > On 16 Apr 2002 at 10:13, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > > Hello Gang, > > I thought it might be a good idea to let you know the tracklist for > > the next 'tree'. I think that it will take me at least 3-4 weeks > > before everything is ready for distribution, but I guess there's no > > need to hurry right now since some of the leaves still haven't > > received their discs from TT1 ;-) So unless TDI doesn't send me a huge > > parcel full of unreleased live tapes this is what you will have to > > cope with: ;-) > > > > Vol.9: London Royal Albert Hall 02 April 1975 complete concert > > (source: digital copy of BBC IPS master tape, plus 1st generation > > audience tape) 2 CDRs, remastered by 'Tentbuckum' > > > > Vol.10: Newcastle City Hall 25 October 1981 (audience master tape) 2 > > CDRs, remastered by 'Tentbuckum' > > > > Vol.11: Birmingham Odeon Theatre 17 March 1986 (2nd generation > > tape...have yet to find out if it's an audience or a mixing desk > > recording) 2 CDRs remastered by 'Tentbuckum' > > > > Vol. 12: a 2 CDR compilation with 'lone tracks', mostly taken from the > > German radio shows 'Elektrobeats' and 'Schwingungen', but also > > includes some tracks taken from TV broadcasts. > > > > Vol. 13: Mannheim Mozartsaal 31 October 1976 (audience master tape) 2 > > CDRs, remastered by 'Jabberwock' (*bad luck for people like me who can > > only listen to CDRs: the whole Mannheim show runs for ca. 81 minutes > > and would almost fit onto 1 CDR, but it's impossible to shorten it. > > Maybe I should add the remastered 1st gen. audience tape of > > Saarbrücken Universität 24 January 1976 as a bonus? This concert has a > > length of ca. 59 minutes and since both the tapes of Mannheim & > > Saarbrücken were discovered last year at the same time they both have > > some sort of relation to each other....what do you think? Although I > > don't like the idea of releasing two concerts on one Volume, I think > > this could be an xception to the rule, and instead of 81 minutes we > > would have 140 minutes on two CDRs.*) > > > > Vol. 14: Paris Bataclan 02 February 1981 (audience master tape) 2 > > CDRs, remastered by 'Jabberwock' > > > > Vol. 15: Warsaw Mart Swietokrzyski 31 August 2001 'The most beautiful > > rock for peace' (Part 1) (Soundboard recording) 2 CDRs, remastered by > > '3N' > > > > Vol. 16: Warsaw Mart Swietokrzyski 31 August 2001 'The most beautiful > > rock for peace' (Part 2) (Soundboard & DAT master recording + excerpts > > from the Press conference) 1 CDR, remastered by '3N' and Jaroslaw > > 'Jerry' Wiktorowicz. > > > > Regards > > Tree Man > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 7:45 pm Subject: Re: Just bought Well KS is quite impossible to put in a collection, in my opinion. Mirage would be totally impossible; it's such a tremendous work it deserves to be heard only in its complete form. When I decided to make a collection of KS tracks, I had to decide to make it an MP3 CDR, including only full tracks. A total of 17 tracks, I think, 7 hours of music, from Irrlicht to Klangart, hopefully including most of the styles he's done. Royal Fest. Hall Vol.1, complete, for example, represents the sampling phase. > *I find this collection extremely odd... how can you have an 'essential' KS > anthology with no Mirage representation, BUT have Weird Caravan included is > beyond me... > Poly From: Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 12:24 pm Subject: new sampler DSOTM Hello, an new Klaus Schulze / Pete Nnamlook Sampler is Released on Fax Records AW 023: 'The Evolution of the dark side of the moog' This sampler has 12 tracks include from all DSOTM Solo Cd`s from Parts 1 to 8. No new material , all in one mix. You can order it from: www.cue-records.de Regards heiko www.tribute-to-ashra.de Dont forget to subcribe your ASHRA NEWSLETTER on: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33445 Re: new sampler DSOTM Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chal Fri 4/19/2002 2 KB From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 3:10 pm Subject: OT: Unfinished business Hi, There is a live Dream Conspiracy demo on www.dreamconspiracy.co.uk. It was going to be our submision to DWT2 but was not finished in time (I moved house and got married!) As I got a lot of kind emails about the Dysfunction track on DWT1 I thought some might like to hear this one as it was the last thing we did as a trio. You might even find it a little familiar in places ;) Matt From: Liondream@a... Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 2:46 pm Subject: Klaus Schulze question Hey everyone, I know this question must have been debated a zillion times and I apologize for bringing it up again. I came across a bunch of KS cds for about $6 each and am not sure which ones to get. Maybe I should get them all. Picture Music Dig It Body Love Dreams Trancefer I picked up Trancefer. What do you guys suggest? THANKS!!! (I also picked up Patrick O'Hearn's Indigo on the cheap and like it very much. Besides liking the music it gave me a few good musical ideas to explore. Going to get Eldorado next maybe - also cheap, then move on to the more recent ones.) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33422 Re: Klaus Schulze question Synthhtnys@a... Wed 4/17/2002 2 KB 33423 Re: Klaus Schulze question Robert Grabowsky Wed 4/17/2002 3 KB 33428 Re: Klaus Schulze question Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chal Thu 4/18/2002 2 KB 33449 Re: Klaus Schulze question + a bit more braddito Fri 4/19/2002 2 KB 33429 Re: Klaus Schulze question Synthhtnys@a... Thu 4/18/2002 2 KB 33430 Re: Klaus Schulze question Admin Thu 4/18/2002 2 KB 33431 Re: Klaus Schulze question Synthhtnys@a... Thu 4/18/2002 2 KB 33433 R: [tadream] Klaus Schulze question Alessandro Thu 4/18/2002 4 KB 33434 Re: Klaus Schulze question Gustavo Jobim Thu 4/18/2002 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 9:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze question In a message dated 4/17/2002 3:27:38 PM Central Daylight Time, Liondream@a... writes: > Picture Music > > Body Love *These two would be top of my list... Picture music in particular has one of the greatest pieces of EM ever.... Totem. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 10:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze question BUY THEM ALL!!!!!! When I first got my copies of these they cost me around $18 each. THE HIGHLANDER At 10:46 AM 4/17/02 -0400, you wrote: >Hey everyone, I know this question must have been debated a zillion times and I apologize for bringing it up again. > >I came across a bunch of KS cds for about $6 each and am not sure which ones to get. Maybe I should get them all. > >Picture Music >Dig It >Body Love >Dreams >Trancefer > >I picked up Trancefer. > >What do you guys suggest? > >THANKS!!! > >(I also picked up Patrick O'Hearn's Indigo on the cheap and like it very much. Besides liking the music it gave me a few good musical ideas to explore. Going to get Eldorado next maybe - also cheap, then move on to the more recent ones.) > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Jonathan Holt Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 12:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' It was on during the dying days of Alan 'Fluff' Freeman's Saturday night rock show - probably sandwiched between Van Halen and Whitesnake. I was lucky to hear Alan announce it in advance so I had a tape ready on a pretty crappy music system. But the tape has survived... Alan had to apologise to someone after as TD spoiled her party mood! The first and only time I have ever heard Tangerine Dream on the radio. Was it good? 'Not 'Arf!' Jonathan. --- Chris Owen wrote: > I remember the BBC playing this too Jonathan. I > happened to be just going > through the frequencies on my radio (can't recall > what I was searching for), > and was amazed to stumbed upon TD! If I remember > right, it was Alan > Freeman's show, and you're right, it seems about 10 > years ago to me too. > > - Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jonathan Holt > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 10:15 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd > 'Tangerine Tree' > > > > About 10 years ago BBC Radio1 played a 35min > excerpt > > from what I believe is vol9. I hope it was because > > what I heard (and taped) that night was amazing. > > > > Drooling already, > > Jonathan. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Find, Connect Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 5:14 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' you just did. ;-) (Armin also) Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Nigbur [mailto:Dennis@m...] > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 6:26 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' > > > Beautiful! Where can I sign up for the second leg of the tree? > > Dennis From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 1:16 pm Subject: [tree] Tracklist: One concert, one CD / CD set Hi, fine collection of concerts. Anyway, I guess it is better not to give up the 'one concert = one CD / CD-set' principle of the first CD-R tree. > From: Heiko Heerssen > Subject: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' > > ... > Vol. 13: Mannheim Mozartsaal 31 October 1976 (audience master tape) 2 > CDRs, remastered by 'Jabberwock' > (*bad luck for people like me who can only listen to CDRs: the whole > Mannheim show runs for ca. 81 minutes and would almost fit onto 1 CDR, > but it's impossible to shorten it. Maybe I should add the remastered 1st > gen. audience tape of Saarbrücken Universität 24 January 1976 as a > bonus? Please do not compile music material from different dates on one CD-R. Not all of the tree members just put the sets in their collection like a regular CD but want to use the CD-Rs to complete their chronological collections. Therefore it is necessary to have each recording on a CD (or two CDs) free of other stuff. CD-Rs are no longer too expensive to continue with this principle. > This concert has a length of ca. 59 minutes ... ...which would make sense to make a seperate CD-R out of it of course. The Mannheim recording has to get a break in any way, thus it is will not matter whether we use 40 + 41 minutes or 70 + 11 minutes or even 79 + 2 minutes... Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33460 Re: [tree] Tracklist: One concert, one CD / CD se braddito Fri 4/19/2002 2 KB From: 'rugratsfan02 ....' Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 3:45 am Subject: setlist request? Hey all, just a curious question. I recently received a TD show from 2001 with NO setlist.. Any help here would be appreciated Tangerine Dream INferno Bernau 07/10/01 Berlin First Show Just curious does this full show REALLY fit onto a single Cd, or didn't I get the full show? I haven't checked it out, got it from a trade, so it's possible it's in SHN format? thanks, and peace anyone who can help. dan Kayleigh's Playhouse - LIVE IN 3D!!! http://www.kayleighsplayhouse.com PRIVATE Web Based CD Bootleg TRADING FORUM! AOL/Praize Messenger (winnietiggerfan), MSN Messenger!!!Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33435 Re: setlist request? Gustavo Jobim Thu 4/18/2002 2 KB From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 4:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze question > Picture Music This is classic Klaus Schulze. > Dig It This is one of my favourites ever, from his digital era. I've heard it likened to '...a soundtrack to travelling by aircraft very close to a featureless landscape'. It's actually much more interesting than that, but I can see the analogy. > Body Love Vol. 2 of this is also one of my favourites ever. 'Nowhere -- Now Here' is transcendent. If this is the other one, it's also good. > Dreams > Trancefer These two are okay, but a little bit more forgettable. If you end up liking _Trancefer_, pick up _Dreams_, too. I think _Trancefer_ is from his digital era, too, and _Dreams_...well, like I said, I don't really remember this one. Keep mistaking it for _Mirage_, which is awesome. MHO's. -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33449 Re: Klaus Schulze question + a bit more braddito Fri 4/19/2002 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 5:27 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze question In a message dated 4/17/02 9:56:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dusty@p... writes: << Dreams_...well, like I said, I don't really remember this one. Keep mistaking it for _Mirage_, which is awesome. MHO's. -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk >> *Dreams is for the most part really good.... buuuut watch out for the vocals which destroy the last track... quite possibly the worst vocals ever recorded... Poly From: 'Admin' Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 5:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze question You mentioned >quite possibly the worst vocals ever > recorded... > Poly No way.. I got that recording I made for a local band at a gig. How bad was it? The tape melted twice. Had to go straight to disk. Not to mention I had to use ear protectors designed for a Fighter Jet to stay near the system. Just not possible for this to be as bad. Just not possible. Dale ;-) From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 8:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze question In a message dated 4/18/2002 12:51:52 AM Central Daylight Time, admin@k... writes: > >quite possibly the worst vocals ever > > recorded... > > Poly > No way.. I got that recording I made for a local band at a gig. How bad was > it? The tape melted twice. Had to go straight to disk. Not to mention I had > to use ear protectors designed for a Fighter Jet to stay near the system. > Just not possible for this to be as bad. Just not possible. > > Dale *LOL!!! OK, I'll focus a little more... The worst vocals in an EM album... how's that! Actually I recorded a friend's song once that had to be just as bad.... we were crying in the control room... I mean rolling on the floor with tears coming out of our eyes... Unbelievable... when he stepped out of the isolation booth and saw us laughing he started up... it wouldn't stop because I kept hitting replay.... I probably damaged some internal organs from this... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 4:03 pm Subject: RE: RE: [tadream] inferno review haha- i'm so gullible. Joe P.S. unless you're using some quirky archaic e-mail program, you can change your e-mail settings to include the original content. e.g. for outlook: Tools->Options->E-mail Options->When Replying to a Message > -----Original Message----- > From: thomas.soucheleau@n... > > Damn it! I never have the original message when I click the > reply button. > I guess it was from joe shoults. About Siouxsie, it was just > some kind of private joke... > The singer on track 17 indeed made me think of a song I can't > remember the name by siouxsie and the banshees. > > thomas. > From: 'Alessandro' Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 10:05 pm Subject: R: [tadream] Klaus Schulze question I suggest you Body Love . For me is the best, it's my opinion! -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...] Inviato: mercoledì 17 aprile 2002 16.46 A: tadream@yahoogroups.com Oggetto: [tadream] Klaus Schulze question Hey everyone, I know this question must have been debated a zillion times and I apologize for bringing it up again. I came across a bunch of KS cds for about $6 each and am not sure which ones to get. Maybe I should get them all. Picture Music Dig It Body Love Dreams Trancefer I picked up Trancefer. What do you guys suggest? THANKS!!! (I also picked up Patrick O'Hearn's Indigo on the cheap and like it very much. Besides liking the music it gave me a few good musical ideas to explore. Going to get Eldorado next maybe - also cheap, then move on to the more recent ones.) ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 6:11 pm Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze question You definitely should get them all for that price. My favourites there are the first three; I never heard Dreams, and Trancefer is quite good, but unfortunately way too short for a KS album (some 36 minutes!) Picture Music is a classic, with the excellent Totem (and side B, Mental Door, is also great). If I had to pick one, it would be Picture Music. But get them all, definitely. -GJ with Body Love on today's menu (I always bring to work 3-4 albums to listen to during the day. The others are Tyger and Mapa, by Uakti, a Brazilian ensemble which builds their own instruments from metal, wood, glass, plastic, bamboo etc, very original work) > I came across a bunch of KS cds for about $6 each and am not sure which ones to get. Maybe I should get them all. > > Picture Music > Dig It > Body Love > Dreams > Trancefer From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 6:18 pm Subject: Re: setlist request? Yeah, 80 minutes. You can find the tracklist at the TDI page; the music played in the concert is the same as the music released in the album (please correct me if necessary, folks.). This has been released as part of the Tangerine Tree; I believe you'll find a better sound quality in the Tree version. GJ > Tangerine Dream > INferno Bernau > Just curious does this full show REALLY fit onto a single Cd, or didn't I get the full show? I haven't checked it out, got it from a trade, so it's possible it's in SHN format? From: 'richter_arne' Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 11:33 am Subject: Re: What to do if you get an uncertain recording labeled 31.01.1980! --- In tadream@y..., Morgan Feldon wrote: > The artwork on the back of 'White Cloths' erroneously states that track 3 > [45:54] is from a 4PM Afternoon show that day. This is in fact, a dub of > the entire Pergamon release, which is a studio creation. Thus far, no > recording of the Afternoon show (many have said there WAS no Afternoon show) For the record, there definitely were two shows. I have checked this with Olaf Zimmermann himself. He now runs the weekly ELECTROBEATS show on Radio Eins, but was working for DT64 before, the GDR station that broadcast the event. Olaf joined DT64 only in 1981 so he has no behind-the-scenes information from the 1980 event, however he confirmed to me in an e-mail that he personally attended the afternoon show (in the audience). Personally, I find it very unlikely that we will ever see a recording of the afternoon show. DT64 surely only recorded the concert they broadcast (the evening show). And somebody doing an audience recording in 1980 in East Germany??? For East-Germans, the equipment simply wasn't available and the risk was probably too high anyway. At any rate, I have just fired off an email to the 'German Radio Archive' who claim to have 100.000 hours of radio material from the GDR in their archives. Let's see if this brings to light any more information. Who knows, maybe there is a chance to make a copy from the DT64 master tapes (yeah, keep on DREAMING) ;-) Arne From: Olav Neander Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 8:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze question Liondream@a... wrote: >I came across a bunch of KS cds for about $6 each and am not sure which ones to get. Maybe I should get them all. > Yes :-) >Picture Music >Dig It >Body Love >Dreams >Trancefer > >I picked up Trancefer. > >What do you guys suggest? > Body Love 1&2 and Timewind! Olav -- Electronic Dreamscapes from Norway - http://www.mp3.com/autopoiesis - ICQ# 9622825 From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 12:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: What to do if you get an uncertain recording labeled 31.01.1980! > At any rate, I have just fired off an email to the 'German Radio > Archive' who claim to have 100.000 hours of radio material from the > GDR in their archives. Let's see if this brings to light any more > information. Who knows, maybe there is a chance to make a copy from > the DT64 master tapes (yeah, keep on DREAMING) ;-) Guess I will quit my job and start working for the German Radio Archive Heiko From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 2:07 pm Subject: Name Suggestion I remember that it was asked a while ago if anyone could name any yet-unnamed tracks on the Tree. We came up with names for Vol.8 and the main sets of Vol.1 - but no name for the encore. I've now though up a rather good (IMHO of course) name: Indolent Annihilation. It has sort of a swing in it... How about? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: 'Bruce A. Crichton' Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 6:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1311 Message: 14 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:46:08 -0400 From: Liondream@a... Subject: Klaus Schulze question Hey everyone, I know this question must have been debated a zillion times and I apologize for bringing it up again. I came across a bunch of KS cds for about $6 each and am not sure which ones to get. Maybe I should get them all. Picture Music Dig It Body Love Dreams Trancefer I picked up Trancefer. What do you guys suggest? THANKS!!! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] I've got both Body Love and Picture Music and they are excellent Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33441 Re: Digest Number 1311 Wade Gordon Thu 4/18/2002 3 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 11:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1311 You want picture music and only the body love that has the nubile women on the cover. Wade --- 'Bruce A. Crichton' wrote: > > Message: 14 > Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 10:46:08 -0400 > From: Liondream@a... > Subject: Klaus Schulze question > > Hey everyone, I know this question must have been > debated a zillion times > and I apologize for bringing it up again. > > I came across a bunch of KS cds for about $6 each > and am not sure which ones > to get. Maybe I should get them all. > > Picture Music > Dig It > Body Love > Dreams > Trancefer > > I picked up Trancefer. > > What do you guys suggest? > > THANKS!!! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > I've got both Body Love and Picture Music and they > are excellent > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From: Szatmari Pal Date: Thu Apr 18, 2002 1:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze question >Picture Music I can recommend that: classic dream music >Dig It I have got that one as well. A bit more 'jazzy'. >Body Love Perfect! >Dreams I don't particularly like it. >Trancefer One of my favourites! >I picked up Trancefer. Good first choice ;-) From: 'civance' Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 2:05 am Subject: IRC chat Friday and Saturday night!! Please come join us for the regularly scheduled TD chats on Friday and Saturday nights! We had a couple newcomers last week! It was nice to meet Dave B and Mike Jean there! :o) EVERYONE please feel free to join us! I'll be in chat starting at 7pm [MDT] for a few hours. Someone show up so I don't have to talk to myself again. My therapist recommends against it. ;o) Morgan has made this simple IRC download that will connect you to the chat room with NO effort on your part! It couldn't be easier! http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe Please come join us! I look forward to meeting you all! See ya, Chad Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33461 Re: IRC chat Friday and Saturday night!! Paul Fellows Fri 4/19/2002 3 KB 33462 Re: IRC chat Friday and Saturday night!! Administrator for kay-net.com Fri 4/19/2002 4 KB 33495 Re: IRC chat Friday and Saturday night!! Liquid Universe Mon 4/22/2002 4 KB From: GCall10692@a... Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 2:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The Pentestarch of Cosmogony Hi all I still have this album and play it one in a great while just to dust off the turntable, the artwork and story line is kinda neat to check out. I actually saw it in book form minus the vinyl a couple of yrs. back (is this worth anything as a collectable item??) later ....Gary [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 5:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] new sampler DSOTM A little bit more information, plus an alternate source (EAR/Rational is the US distributor for Fax). http://www.ear-rational.com/AW023.pdf -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 4:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' >yes, I wnat to be in there again as well. Though: my source, Conrad, >has still not come back to me to tell me what to do in return for >getting the CDs (I assume blanks but I'd love to get this confirmed...) > >armin > > > > > Beautiful! Where can I sign up for the second leg of the tree? > > > > Dennis What? We need to sign up again for the next volumes? I though we just are in unless we tell we don't want any concerts anymore... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33447 Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' TheInfection Fri 4/19/2002 2 KB 33448 Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' braddito Fri 4/19/2002 2 KB From: TheInfection Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' --- John Vertical wrote: > What? We need to sign up again for the next volumes? > I though we just are in > unless we tell we don't want any concerts anymore... > > John Vertical That's what I tought too!! Regards, TheInfection ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33448 Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' braddito Fri 4/19/2002 2 KB From: 'braddito' Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:48 am Subject: Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' Don't forget that we may have new joiners to this group who missed the first one. Just as there is no other band like TD, there is no other fan site that I've come across that has people from so many nations working together for each others benefit like this one. Keep on Dreaming Toby > > What? We need to sign up again for the next volumes? > > I though we just are in > > unless we tell we don't want any concerts anymore... > > > > John Vertical > > That's what I tought too!! > > Regards, > TheInfection > > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From: 'braddito' Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:55 am Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze question + a bit more If I remember correctly, my LP cover had a note indicating it was the first ever digital recording. I love it. > > Dig It > This is one of my favourites ever, from his digital era. I have a good quality radio recording of KS live in Brussels in 1980 on tape. If it isn't already around on CDR, I'd be happy to pass the tape on to a UK based person for remastering etc. If someone has it on CDR, I'd love to swap for something from my collection. I also have a tape of a KS concert at the London Planetarium - does anyone know the date and is that on CDR ? Regards Toby From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 11:20 am Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze question + a bit more I also have a tape of a KS concert at the London Planetarium - does anyone know the date and is that on CDR ? Regards Toby It could be from 1977. KS performed at the London Planetarium on April 13 and 14 of that year. 76 minutes of these gigs wound up on Jubilee Edition. Another KS album that might be of interest is '...live...' This is a double CD released several years ago om Manikin. It was originally a double LP released in 1980 and was out-of-print for many years. For the CD release, 20 minutes of music were added. We have a few copies for sale via our Web site at www.hmnetwork.com. Sincerely, Dave Kaufman Horizon Music, Inc. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33451 Re: Klaus Schulze question + a bit more Armin Theissen Fri 4/19/2002 4 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 11:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Klaus Schulze question + a bit more Hi, ...and I can really and warmly recommend KS's ...live... also featuring Harald Grosskopf on drums and Arthur Brown's vocals on one track (i.e. on 25% of the album). Its an absolutely stunning album for everybody who loves 70s electronic music - whether you love the rhythm sections or the more meditative stuff. And: its absolutely live - no enhancements, edits, changes..... armin > > > I also have a tape of a KS concert at the London Planetarium - does > anyone know the date and is that on CDR ? > > Regards > Toby > > > It could be from 1977. KS performed at the London Planetarium on April 13 > and 14 of that year. 76 minutes of these gigs wound up on Jubilee Edition. > > Another KS album that might be of interest is '...live...' This is a double > CD released several years ago om Manikin. It was originally a double LP > released in 1980 and was out-of-print for many years. For the CD release, 20 > minutes of music were added. We have a few copies for sale via our Web site > at www.hmnetwork.com. > > Sincerely, > > Dave Kaufman > Horizon Music, Inc. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 1:11 pm Subject: apoligies... Hi, I'm afraid that in a recent email I created the entirely wrong impression that my TD Tree CD provider - Conrad - was 'unreliable' - what I said was that I was still waiting for a message from him telling me what to do in return for the delivery of CDs. That went more or less by accident to this list instead privately to him. Let me put this straight: He is *very* reliable, I was one of the first having the CDs. What was no problem neither for me nor for him was that some time passed until I knew whether I should send him blank CDs or money or chocolate or whatever. This, btw, due to the fact that he moved house. So he is not even pushing for his (non-profit) exchange return. So apologies to Conrad. Buy you a pint when we meet again somewhere for TD in London or Joe Satriani in Dublin or Cliff Richard in... (damn, that shouldn't go here either.... ;-) ) or wherever for whatever reason... cheers armin ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33456 Re: apoligies... Paul Fellows Fri 4/19/2002 4 KB 33465 Re: apoligies... Chris Owen Sat 4/20/2002 4 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 2:31 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' The reason that everyone is having to 'opt in' for TT2 all over again is: Without everybody having completed their trades, how would I know that everybody on the TT1 list is even still with us? Some people have dropped out of TT1. They are welcome to return, but there may be people who just don't want to be in TT2 for whatever reasons. In short, I'd be making a big assumption. e.g. what if you happen to not like 1990's TD, and an upcoming tree is mostly 1990's stuff? I'm sending out an 'official' TT2 participation invitation shortly. You can reply to that, and inside it I'll include a link to reply if you are a PERMANENT TREE PARTICIPANT, or JUST FOR TT2 PARTICIPANT, and I'll track it. How's that? once you're permanent, you'll have to let us know to remove you from that status. I don't want to overcomplicate it, but this will save a lot of effort in the future for each new tree project. It's only one more e-mail for you, but a lot more work for me personally to do it this way, but it will pay off starting with TT3. With TT1, we learned a few things, and we're not trying to pretend we are experts at executing this tree process yet. It's not rocket science, but involves attention to details, and we're trying to iron out the 'best practices' to handle them. It is an ongoing thing, so your feedback is welcome and appreciated. The TT2 invitation will probably clarify the rest of your questions regarding TT2, so I'll stop this missive here, and finish that one. OH- and one more thing: we used the '[tree]' subject marker pretty well during discussions of the tree. Please try to remember to use '[TT2]' to refer to this second edition of the tree. It's not a huge deal, but it makes sense from a future data use standpoint. (searchability, reindexing, etc.) Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: braddito [mailto:toby.braddick@u...] > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 6:48 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' > > > Don't forget that we may have new joiners to this group who missed > the first one. Just as there is no other band like TD, there is no > other fan site that I've come across that has people from so many > nations working together for each others benefit like this one. > > Keep on Dreaming > Toby > > > > What? We need to sign up again for the next volumes? > > > I though we just are in > > > unless we tell we don't want any concerts anymore... > > > > > > John Vertical > > > > That's what I tought too!! > > > > Regards, > > TheInfection Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33467 Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' convention24 Sat 4/20/2002 4 KB From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 3:16 pm Subject: RE: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' ME! ME! ME! Put me on the list too! Roger Hartopp Message: 2 Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:14:55 -0400 From: Joe Shoults Subject: RE: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' you just did. ;-) (Armin also) Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Dennis Nigbur [mailto:Dennis@m...] > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 6:26 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' > > > Beautiful! Where can I sign up for the second leg of the tree? > > Dennis -- Tego nie znajdziesz w zadnym sklepie! [ http://oferty.onet.pl ] From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 3:32 pm Subject: invitation to Tangerine Tree 2 (TT2) ~ If you are on the tadream list AND TT1, you will receive this message twice. ~ I would LIKE to automatically include everybody from TT1 in TT2, but it is necessary for you to officially 'opt in' to TT2 by simply sending an e-mail to the following address with your participation details: IF YOU ARE OPTING-IN TO TT2 *ONLY* AT THIS TIME: mailto:tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com?subject=TT2-ONLY_OPT-IN IF YOU WISH TO BE A PERMANENT TREE PARTICIPANT ONGOING: mailto:tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com?subject=PERMANENT_TREE_OPT-IN I set up my e-mail filters to automatically route incoming messages with 'TT-ONLY' and 'PERMANENT_TREE' appropriately. Please include the following details: *subject line must include 'TT2-yes' (so it gets properly filtered) * full name * country * e-mail address * format preference: SHN or Redbook * if SHN, can download SHNs online (fast internet connection): yes or no * Leaf or Branch * if Branch, how many leaves will you support? (please carefully consider your ability to branch, see #4 below) -------------------------------------------- There are a couple of points about TT2 that you should know as a participant: 1) we are changing the way we structure the tree to optimize speed of distribution. - instead of spreading branching duties to as many people as possible, more duty will be concentrated on branches with fast turnaround capacity. - Heiko is still 'Level 0' of the tree - more US and non-EU branches will be on Level 1 this time - SHN files will be available for download ASAP, probably before official Level 1 release date. 2) better branch support - online step-by-step tutorials for burning procedures - template for tracking trades 3) branch line/trade partners - it is highly unlikely that you will have the same assigned branch line/trading partners for TT2. (For TT3 you may be able to pick your own branches, BTW) - your trade status for TT1 is completely irrelevant to TT2. consider this a whole new process. If you have uncompleted trades, this is none of our business and does not impact TT2 in any way. 4) TT2 will contain 15 Redbook CDRs. TT1 contained 10. Please consider this when indicating how many leaves you will support. thanks to all! Joe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33458 Re: invitation to Tangerine Tree 2 (TT2) Antonio Nunes Fri 4/19/2002 2 KB 33464 Re: invitation to Tangerine Tree 2 (TT2) Joe Shoults Sat 4/20/2002 2 KB From: Paul Fellows Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 5:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] apoligies... Conrad is my Tree provider too, I have had the same delay for the same reason, and I would just like to second Armin's comments, as well as to say that Conrad is a 'stand-up guy'! Paul le 19/04/02 15:11, Armin Theissen à Armin.Theissen@s... a écrit : > > Hi, > > I'm afraid that in a recent email I created the entirely wrong > impression that my TD Tree CD provider - Conrad - was 'unreliable' - > what I said was that I was still waiting for a message from him > telling me what to do in return for the delivery of CDs. That went > more or less by accident to this list instead privately to him. > > Let me put this straight: He is *very* reliable, I was one of the > first having the CDs. What was no problem neither for me nor for > him was that some time passed until I knew whether I should send > him blank CDs or money or chocolate or whatever. This, btw, due > to the fact that he moved house. So he is not even pushing for his > (non-profit) exchange return. > > So apologies to Conrad. Buy you a pint when we meet again somewhere > for TD in London or Joe Satriani in Dublin or Cliff Richard in... > (damn, that shouldn't go here either.... ;-) ) or wherever for > whatever reason... > > cheers > > armin > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 > SUN Microsystems Ireland > > 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' > - Woody Allen > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 6:09 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' permanent or TT2-only? > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Hartopp [mailto:gmroger@p...] > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:16 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] RE: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' > > > ME! ME! ME! Put me on the list too! > > Roger Hartopp > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 13:14:55 -0400 > From: Joe Shoults > Subject: RE: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' > > you just did. ;-) (Armin also) > > > > Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dennis Nigbur [mailto:Dennis@m...] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 6:26 AM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' > > > > > > Beautiful! Where can I sign up for the second leg of the tree? > > > > Dennis > > > > > > > -- > > Tego nie znajdziesz w zadnym sklepie! > [ http://oferty.onet.pl ] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 6:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] invitation to Tangerine Tree 2 (TT2) Joe Shoults wrote: > 4) TT2 will contain 15 Redbook CDRs. And how many SHN CDRs? I might try SHN this time if the number of CDRs is significantly lower. Antonio np: Okefenokee Dreams 2001 - I love those 'wildlife sounds' in the beginning of track #1 :-) From: 'goozergrafx' Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 6:56 pm Subject: OT: Jan Hammer Complete Miami Vice is out! For those who care.... Go to www.janhammer.com/giftshop to order the Miami Vice Complete Collection-2 CDs of mid-80s synth goodness! CD1 contains all of the previously released tunes, though some have never been on CD. CD2 contains completely unreleased material! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33473 Re: OT: Jan Hammer Complete Miami Vice is out! Wade Gordon Sat 4/20/2002 3 KB 33480 Re: OT: Jan Hammer Complete Miami Vice is out! goozergrafx Sat 4/20/2002 3 KB 33484 Re: OT: Jan Hammer Complete Miami Vice is out! Wade Gordon Sun 4/21/2002 4 KB 33504 Re: OT: Jan Hammer Complete Miami Vice is out! goozergrafx Mon 4/22/2002 4 KB From: 'braddito' Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 4:08 pm Subject: Re: [tree] Tracklist: One concert, one CD / CD set Peter, it's easy enough to split the Saarbrucken concert off the disc when you run your own 'personal listening' version off. Just keep the original joined version in your safe file. Toby --- In tadream@y..., peter.stoeferle@t... wrote: > Hi, > > fine collection of concerts. Anyway, I guess it is better not to give up the > 'one concert = one CD / CD-set' principle of the first CD-R tree. From: Paul Fellows Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 5:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] IRC chat Friday and Saturday night!! I'm there at the moment, it's Friday evening here in cold and rainy (at the moment) France, there's nothing on telly & I've got a bit of time on my hands... Damn this time difference, there's no-one there! > Please come join us for the regularly scheduled TD chats on Friday > and Saturday nights! We had a couple newcomers last week! It was > nice to meet Dave B and Mike Jean there! :o) EVERYONE please feel > free to join us! I'll be in chat starting at 7pm [MDT] for a few > hours. Someone show up so I don't have to talk to myself again. My > therapist recommends against it. ;o) > > Morgan has made this simple IRC download that will connect you to the > chat room with NO effort on your part! It couldn't be easier! > > http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe > > Please come join us! I look forward to meeting you all! > > See ya, > Chad From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] IRC chat Friday and Saturday night!! 3 pm my time here in Southern Ca. I am still at work, IRC a no no here. Yea the time zone thing is a pain but if we all lived in the same time zone, I fear we might not be so friendly. The overcrowding would be a bother. Dale ;-) Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Fellows' To: Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] IRC chat Friday and Saturday night!! > I'm there at the moment, it's Friday evening here in cold and rainy (at the > moment) France, there's nothing on telly & I've got a bit of time on my > hands... > > Damn this time difference, there's no-one there! > > > Please come join us for the regularly scheduled TD chats on Friday > > and Saturday nights! We had a couple newcomers last week! It was > > nice to meet Dave B and Mike Jean there! :o) EVERYONE please feel > > free to join us! I'll be in chat starting at 7pm [MDT] for a few > > hours. Someone show up so I don't have to talk to myself again. My > > therapist recommends against it. ;o) > > > > Morgan has made this simple IRC download that will connect you to the > > chat room with NO effort on your part! It couldn't be easier! > > > > http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe > > > > Please come join us! I look forward to meeting you all! > > > > See ya, > > Chad > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'convention24' Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:27 pm Subject: (off topic) Maroubra bay) After listening to years of the GREAT man,i cant help but feel this track is one of his AWESOME best compositions,is this man the finest musician on earth? Sit back,listen and enjoy, this is Edgar(the king) Froese,probably the GREATEST of all time. Signed Don van Vliet.(THE OTHER KING). Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33466 Re: (off topic) Maroubra bay) Synthhtnys@a... Sat 4/20/2002 2 KB 33469 Re: (off topic) Maroubra bay) Janet Wojtecki Sat 4/20/2002 3 KB 33478 Re: (off topic) Maroubra bay) convention24 Sat 4/20/2002 3 KB 33471 Re: (off topic) Maroubra bay) Dennis Nigbur Sat 4/20/2002 3 KB 33476 Re: (off topic) Maroubra bay) Jonathan Holt Sat 4/20/2002 3 KB 33479 Re: (off topic) Maroubra bay) Janet Wojtecki Sat 4/20/2002 4 KB 33485 Maroubra bay - Epsilon live 1975 ? braddito Mon 4/22/2002 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 7:22 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] invitation to Tangerine Tree 2 (TT2) the number of SHN disks = roughly half the number of Redbook disks, probably only 7-8 SHN disks as compared to 15 Redbooks. not 100% sure yet tho. SHN crunches a wav file down to about 1/2 size. > -----Original Message----- > From: Antonio Nunes [mailto:np97fa@m...] > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 2:50 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] invitation to Tangerine Tree 2 (TT2) > > > > Joe Shoults wrote: > > > 4) TT2 will contain 15 Redbook CDRs. > > And how many SHN CDRs? I might try SHN this time if the number of CDRs > is significantly lower. > > Antonio > > np: Okefenokee Dreams 2001 - I love those 'wildlife sounds' in the > beginning of track #1 :-) > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 3:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] apoligies... As one of his leaves, I too can vouch for Conrad's reliability in doing the tree CDRs quickly, and for keeping me in touch during every step of the process. I have known him since the 1990 UK tour, and there aren't many people I would prefer to have 'above' me in the tree. Thanks Conrad! - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Armin Theissen To: Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 6:11 AM Subject: [tadream] apoligies... > > Hi, > > I'm afraid that in a recent email I created the entirely wrong > impression that my TD Tree CD provider - Conrad - was 'unreliable' - > what I said was that I was still waiting for a message from him > telling me what to do in return for the delivery of CDs. That went > more or less by accident to this list instead privately to him. > > Let me put this straight: He is *very* reliable, I was one of the > first having the CDs. What was no problem neither for me nor for > him was that some time passed until I knew whether I should send > him blank CDs or money or chocolate or whatever. This, btw, due > to the fact that he moved house. So he is not even pushing for his > (non-profit) exchange return. > > So apologies to Conrad. Buy you a pint when we meet again somewhere > for TD in London or Joe Satriani in Dublin or Cliff Richard in... > (damn, that shouldn't go here either.... ;-) ) or wherever for > whatever reason... > > cheers > > armin > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 > SUN Microsystems Ireland > > 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' > - Woody Allen > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 1:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] (off topic) Maroubra bay) In a message dated 4/19/02 4:15:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, convention24@y... writes: << After listening to years of the GREAT man,i cant help but feel this track is one of his AWESOME best compositions,is this man the finest musician on earth? Sit back,listen and enjoy, this is Edgar(the king) Froese,probably the GREATEST of all time. Signed Don van Vliet.(THE OTHER KING). >> *I consider Epsilon one of the finest moments of the TD camp... Kind of an anomaly though nothing else comes close (Except Mysterious strands of Phaedra) I wish more albums were made in this style..... Poly From: 'convention24' Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:13 pm Subject: Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' --- In tadream@y..., Joe Shoults wrote: > The reason that everyone is having to 'opt in' for TT2 all over again is: > > Without everybody having completed their trades, how would I know that > everybody on the TT1 list is even still with us? Some people have dropped > out of TT1. They are welcome to return, but there may be people who just > don't want to be in TT2 for whatever reasons. > > In short, I'd be making a big assumption. e.g. what if you happen to not > like 1990's TD, and an upcoming tree is mostly 1990's stuff? > > I'm sending out an 'official' TT2 participation invitation shortly. You > can reply to that, and inside it I'll include a link to reply if you are a I must echo the sentiments of Toby,thjere is no other band like Tangerine Dream,PROBABLY the GREATEST of all time. Best regards CJ > PERMANENT TREE PARTICIPANT, or JUST FOR TT2 PARTICIPANT, and I'll track it. > How's that? once you're permanent, you'll have to let us know to remove you > from that status. I don't want to overcomplicate it, but this will save a > lot of effort in the future for each new tree project. It's only one more > e-mail for you, but a lot more work for me personally to do it this way, but > it will pay off starting with TT3. > > With TT1, we learned a few things, and we're not trying to pretend we are > experts at executing this tree process yet. It's not rocket science, but > involves attention to details, and we're trying to iron out the 'best > practices' to handle them. It is an ongoing thing, so your feedback is > welcome and appreciated. > > The TT2 invitation will probably clarify the rest of your questions > regarding TT2, so I'll stop this missive here, and finish that one. > > OH- and one more thing: we used the '[tree]' subject marker pretty well > during discussions of the tree. Please try to remember to use '[TT2]' to > refer to this second edition of the tree. It's not a huge deal, but it > makes sense from a future data use standpoint. (searchability, reindexing, > etc.) > > Joe > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: braddito [mailto:toby.braddick@u...] > > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 6:48 AM > > To: tadream@y... > > Subject: [tadream] Re: Tracklist for the 2nd 'Tangerine Tree' > > > > > > Don't forget that we may have new joiners to this group who missed > > the first one. Just as there is no other band like TD, there is no > > other fan site that I've come across that has people from so many > > nations working together for each others benefit like this one. > > > > Keep on Dreaming > > Toby > > > > > > What? We need to sign up again for the next volumes? > > > > I though we just are in > > > > unless we tell we don't want any concerts anymore... > > > > > > > > John Vertical > > > > > > That's what I tought too!! > > > > > > Regards, > > > TheInfection From: 'Vincent Goudreault' Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 5:12 am Subject: Conrad is a great guy! Hey, I have to go with the general feeling here. Conrad did put all his efforts into producing top quality copies, and not insisting on getting anything back yet (which worried me at first, I was afraid that he would go bankrupt having to supply all those CD-R's and stuff) but I was lucky enough to be capable of printing the smashing (kudos to Maff, marko and Jobim by the way) artwork for him, and thus found a way to at least partially live up to my end of the deal. C.B.Vincent Goudreault > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 19:06:16 +0200 > From: Paul Fellows > Subject: Re: apoligies... > > Conrad is my Tree provider too, I have had the same delay for the same > reason, and I would just like to second Armin's comments, as well as to say > that Conrad is a 'stand-up guy'! > > Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33475 Re: Conrad is a great guy! PERGAMON Sat 4/20/2002 3 KB 33486 Re: Conrad is a great guy! Gibbons, Conrad Mon 4/22/2002 4 KB 33487 Re: Conrad is a great guy! coldwatercanyon Mon 4/22/2002 5 KB From: 'Janet Wojtecki' Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 7:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] (off topic) Maroubra bay) Do I detect a CB diehard as well as TD? Like minded ,Chris (fast'n bulbous) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'convention24' To: Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:27 PM Subject: [tadream] (off topic) Maroubra bay) > After listening to years of the GREAT man,i cant help but feel this > track is one of his AWESOME best compositions,is this man the finest > musician on earth? Sit back,listen and enjoy, this is Edgar(the king) > Froese,probably the GREATEST of all time. > Signed Don van Vliet.(THE OTHER KING). > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33478 Re: (off topic) Maroubra bay) convention24 Sat 4/20/2002 3 KB From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 8:57 am Subject: OT : Jan Hammer and Colleagues Now, the release of the complete Miami Vice soundtrack is the kind of good news I've been waiting for many years. I checked out his web site and well, I knew he'd been working with Jeff Beck but I had never heard about David Gilmour, Eddie Van Halen or even Ringo Starr! Man, this guy worked with just about any name in the business or what? thomas. ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) From: 'Dennis Nigbur' Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] (off topic) Maroubra bay) I like this track too, but I prefer the title track. Aqua is lovely too. These records have a texture and subtlety that few others come close to. Dennis On 19 Apr 2002 at 22:27, convention24 wrote: > After listening to years of the GREAT man,i cant help but feel this > track is one of his AWESOME best compositions,is this man the finest > musician on earth? Sit back,listen and enjoy, this is Edgar(the king) > Froese,probably the GREATEST of all time. > Signed Don van Vliet.(THE OTHER KING). > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33476 Re: (off topic) Maroubra bay) Jonathan Holt Sat 4/20/2002 3 KB From: 'Robert Wear' Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 3:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1314 Signed Don van Vliet.(THE OTHER KING). Gee, I thought you were a captain? RWear From: Wade Gordon Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 2:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Jan Hammer Complete Miami Vice is out! This c.d. was originally Japanese import that disappeared very fast from the shelves. It totally blows away the previous MCA single disc releases. And by the way no pop music. Horray!!! Wade --- goozergrafx wrote: > For those who care.... > > Go to www.janhammer.com/giftshop to order the Miami > Vice Complete > Collection-2 CDs of mid-80s synth goodness! CD1 > contains all of the > previously released tunes, though some have never > been on CD. CD2 > contains completely unreleased material! > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33480 Re: OT: Jan Hammer Complete Miami Vice is out! goozergrafx Sat 4/20/2002 3 KB 33484 Re: OT: Jan Hammer Complete Miami Vice is out! Wade Gordon Sun 4/21/2002 4 KB 33504 Re: OT: Jan Hammer Complete Miami Vice is out! goozergrafx Mon 4/22/2002 4 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 3:21 pm Subject: [TT2] tree database update I expected a spike in tree database updates, so i've held off updating it for a few days. i'm going to give it another day for the majority of responses to come in then i'll update the database with the TT@ participants' info. keep 'em coming! FYI the yahoogorups database is no more. reference the one at http://www.tadream.net/tree Joe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'PERGAMON' Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 3:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Conrad is a great guy! I FEEL THE NEED......................... THE NEED FOR A GROUP-HUG.............................. =O) hehe...........sorry!!!!, couldn't resist...............(no harm was intended) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Vincent Goudreault' To: Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 7:12 AM Subject: [tadream] Conrad is a great guy! > Hey, I have to go with the general feeling here. Conrad did put all > his efforts into producing top quality copies, and not insisting on > getting anything back yet (which worried me at first, I was afraid that > he would go bankrupt having to supply all those CD-R's and stuff) > but I was lucky enough to be capable of printing the smashing > (kudos to Maff, marko and Jobim by the way) artwork for him, and > thus found a way to at least partially live up to my end of the deal. > > > C.B.Vincent Goudreault > > > > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 19:06:16 +0200 > > From: Paul Fellows > > Subject: Re: apoligies... > > > > Conrad is my Tree provider too, I have had the same delay for the same > > reason, and I would just like to second Armin's comments, as well as to > say > > that Conrad is a 'stand-up guy'! > > > > Paul > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Jonathan Holt Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 3:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] (off topic) Maroubra bay) On Thursday night I just laid back on the couch (after watching Survivor..of course) and listened to Aqua all the way through. It is a tremendous album - very beautiful and never dull. --- Dennis Nigbur wrote: > I like this track too, but I prefer the title track. > Aqua is lovely too. These > records have a texture and subtlety that few others > come close to. > > Dennis > > > On 19 Apr 2002 at 22:27, convention24 wrote: > > > After listening to years of the GREAT man,i cant > help but feel this > > track is one of his AWESOME best compositions,is > this man the finest > > musician on earth? Sit back,listen and enjoy, this > is Edgar(the king) > > Froese,probably the GREATEST of all time. > > Signed Don van Vliet.(THE OTHER > KING). > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Find, Connect Date! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Olav Neander Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 3:54 pm Subject: Franke in Norwegian commercial I just found that Christopher Franke's 'Silence Of The Eclipse' is the music in the TV commercial for the Norwegian mineral water 'Farris'! :-) Olav -- Electronic Dreamscapes from Norway - http://www.mp3.com/autopoiesis - ICQ# 9622825 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33545 Re: Franke in Norwegian commercial Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Med Wed 4/24/2002 2 KB 33554 Re: Franke in Norwegian commercial Olav Neander Thu 4/25/2002 2 KB From: 'convention24' Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 5:42 pm Subject: Re: (off topic) Maroubra bay) --- In tadream@y..., 'Janet Wojtecki' wrote: > Do I detect a CB diehard as well as TD? > > Like minded ,Chris (fast'n bulbous) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'convention24' > To: > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:27 PM > Subject: [tadream] (off topic) Maroubra bay) > > > > After listening to years of the GREAT man,i cant help but feel this > > track is one of his AWESOME best compositions,is this man the finest > > musician on earth? Sit back,listen and enjoy, this is Edgar(the king) > > Froese,probably the GREATEST of all time. > > Signed Don van Vliet.(THE OTHER KING). > >Hello Janet Certainly do love the Great Captain,just been to visit(the sheriff of hong kong)while (making love to a vampire with a monkey on my knee). Only the DON could do it. Best regards CJ. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > From: 'Janet Wojtecki' Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 7:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: (off topic) Maroubra bay) Enough of this Ella Guru, I'll contact you off list Regards Chis ----- Original Message ----- From: 'convention24' To: Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 6:42 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: (off topic) Maroubra bay) > --- In tadream@y..., 'Janet Wojtecki' wrote: > > Do I detect a CB diehard as well as TD? > > > > Like minded ,Chris (fast'n bulbous) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'convention24' > > To: > > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:27 PM > > Subject: [tadream] (off topic) Maroubra bay) > > > > > > > After listening to years of the GREAT man,i cant help but feel > this > > > track is one of his AWESOME best compositions,is this man the > finest > > > musician on earth? Sit back,listen and enjoy, this is Edgar(the > king) > > > Froese,probably the GREATEST of all time. > > > Signed Don van Vliet.(THE OTHER KING). > > >Hello Janet > Certainly do love the Great Captain,just been to visit(the sheriff of > hong kong)while (making love to a vampire with a monkey on my knee). > Only the DON could do it. Best regards CJ. > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'goozergrafx' Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 11:32 pm Subject: Re: OT: Jan Hammer Complete Miami Vice is out! ??? Uhhhh...no, I don't think so. This is an entirely new release, as there could not have been a 'Japanese Import' of tracks that weren't recorded and mastered until now. According to Jan, he didn't finish the recording and mastering of the stuff on CD2 until the beginning of this year. There *have* been 2 'best of' compilations from Europe that came out over a decade ago, but both contained previously released score music and pop tunes. I've never seen, let alone heard of, a Japanese compilation. And I've been collecting Jan Hammer longer than I've been collecting TD (22+ years.) Are you related to Mr. Feldman? ;) --- In tadream@y..., Wade Gordon wrote: > This c.d. was originally Japanese import that > disappeared very fast from the shelves. It totally > blows away the previous MCA single disc releases. And > by the way no pop music. Horray!!! > > Wade > --- goozergrafx wrote: > > For those who care.... > > > > Go to www.janhammer.com/giftshop to order the Miami > > Vice Complete > > Collection-2 CDs of mid-80s synth goodness! CD1 > > contains all of the > > previously released tunes, though some have never > > been on CD. CD2 > > contains completely unreleased material! > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > http://games.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33484 Re: OT: Jan Hammer Complete Miami Vice is out! Wade Gordon Sun 4/21/2002 4 KB 33504 Re: OT: Jan Hammer Complete Miami Vice is out! goozergrafx Mon 4/22/2002 4 KB From: Date: Sun Apr 21, 2002 10:11 am Subject: Rising runner 7' promo on ebay Hello, I have on ebay following Tangerine Dream item on auction: Rising runner missed by endless sender / Bend cold sidewalk Promo Release Spain 1978 on Virgin 0087(white labels) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=861523701 Starting price: US $ 1 Regards heiko www.opticaldream.de (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) www.tribute-to-ashra.de (Ashra Fan Homepage) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter (Ashra Newsletter) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33483 Re: Rising runner 7' promo on ebay DAVKAUFMAN@a... Sun 4/21/2002 2 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Sun Apr 21, 2002 5:58 pm Subject: [TT2] tree database updated as of this moment http://www.tadream.net/tree all TT2 and permanent requests and TT1 'received' notices posted as of right now. JOe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33494 Re: [TT2] tree database updated as of this moment Joe Shoults Mon 4/22/2002 4 KB From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Sun Apr 21, 2002 7:23 pm Subject: Re: Rising runner 7' promo on ebay Hello, We have the lyrics to Rising runner and Bent Cold Sidewalk on our Web site at www.hmnetwork.com under the Steve Jolliffe bio. Sincerely, Dave Kaufman Horizon Music, Inc. > > Hello, > > I have on ebay following Tangerine Dream item on auction: > > Rising runner missed by endless sender / Bend cold sidewalk > Promo Release Spain 1978 on Virgin 0087(white labels) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=861523701 > > Starting price: US $ 1 > > Regards > heiko > www.opticaldream.de > (Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage) > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Wade Gordon Date: Sun Apr 21, 2002 7:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: OT: Jan Hammer Complete Miami Vice is out! This is the exact same two disc set that came out in Japan about two years ago. It even has the same cover. I just did not want to pay 43 bucks for it at Best Buy. Wade --- goozergrafx wrote: > ??? Uhhhh...no, I don't think so. This is an > entirely new release, as > there could not have been a 'Japanese Import' of > tracks that weren't > recorded and mastered until now. According to Jan, > he didn't finish > the recording and mastering of the stuff on CD2 > until the beginning of > this year. > > There *have* been 2 'best of' compilations from > Europe that came out > over a decade ago, but both contained previously > released score music > and pop tunes. I've never seen, let alone heard of, > a Japanese > compilation. And I've been collecting Jan Hammer > longer than I've been > collecting TD (22+ years.) > > Are you related to Mr. Feldman? ;) > > --- In tadream@y..., Wade Gordon > wrote: > > This c.d. was originally Japanese import that > > disappeared very fast from the shelves. It > totally > > blows away the previous MCA single disc releases. > And > > by the way no pop music. Horray!!! > > > > Wade > > --- goozergrafx wrote: > > > For those who care.... > > > > > > Go to www.janhammer.com/giftshop to order the > Miami > > > Vice Complete > > > Collection-2 CDs of mid-80s synth goodness! CD1 > > > contains all of the > > > previously released tunes, though some have > never > > > been on CD. CD2 > > > contains completely unreleased material! > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: > > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@y... > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and > more > > http://games.yahoo.com/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33504 Re: OT: Jan Hammer Complete Miami Vice is out! goozergrafx Mon 4/22/2002 4 KB From: 'braddito' Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 8:02 am Subject: Maroubra bay - Epsilon live 1975 ? I was listening to the Glasgow 1975 recording recently and I'm sure that track 2 includes a chunk of Epsilon. Am I imagining it or can someone else confirm it as it seems a strange piece for the three of them to be performing. Toby PS I'm still looking for Epsilon on CD as it seems to be long deleted - strange as it's possibly one of the most beautiful albums ever released. If anyone can guide me to a copy I'd be very grateful. --- In tadream@y..., 'convention24' wrote: > After listening to years of the GREAT man,i cant help but feel this > track is one of his AWESOME best compositions,is this man the finest > musician on earth? Sit back,listen and enjoy, this is Edgar(the king) > Froese,probably the GREATEST of all time. > Signed Don van Vliet.(THE OTHER KING). From: 'Gibbons, Conrad' Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 8:51 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Conrad is a great guy! Hi folks, Thanks for the kind words everyone and sorry for my lack of e-mails. Having just completed my 2nd house move in 18 months I'm sure many of you know what that can be like, and how other things take a back seat for a while. Anyway, those cdrs for Dreamwatchers' Tales Fable II will be winging their way to you guys this week I hope. TD Snippet: While examining recent TD T-shirts I noticed that they seem to be made here in Ireland - a mere 30 minutes from where I live! (In Buncrana, Co. Donegal, Ireland). OK, back to work for me! Adios, Conrad -----Original Message----- From: Vincent Goudreault [mailto:vgoudreault@v...] Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 6:13 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Conrad is a great guy! Hey, I have to go with the general feeling here. Conrad did put all his efforts into producing top quality copies, and not insisting on getting anything back yet (which worried me at first, I was afraid that he would go bankrupt having to supply all those CD-R's and stuff) but I was lucky enough to be capable of printing the smashing (kudos to Maff, marko and Jobim by the way) artwork for him, and thus found a way to at least partially live up to my end of the deal. C.B.Vincent Goudreault > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 19:06:16 +0200 > From: Paul Fellows > Subject: Re: apoligies... > > Conrad is my Tree provider too, I have had the same delay for the same > reason, and I would just like to second Armin's comments, as well as to say > that Conrad is a 'stand-up guy'! > > Paul ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33487 Re: Conrad is a great guy! coldwatercanyon Mon 4/22/2002 5 KB From: coldwatercanyon Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 10:00 am Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] Conrad is a great guy! Hi Conrad, Glad to hear from you again. I hope all is well with your house-moving. As you mentioned the country of origin of the TD T-shirt, that reminds me that the little Tyranny Of Beauty promo mirror from Miramar (white case and little mirror with yellow lettering) was in fact manufactured from Hong Kong ;-) I remembered the words were on the back of the mirror somewhere... Jeffrey -----Original Message----- From: 'Gibbons, Conrad' To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [tadream] Conrad is a great guy! Date: Mon Apr 22 16:51:05 HKT 2002 Hi folks, Thanks for the kind words everyone and sorry for my lack of e-mails. Having just completed my 2nd house move in 18 months I'm sure many of you know what that can be like, and how other things take a back seat for a while. Anyway, those cdrs for Dreamwatchers' Tales Fable II will be winging their way to you guys this week I hope. TD Snippet: While examining recent TD T-shirts I noticed that they seem to be made here in Ireland - a mere 30 minutes from where I live! (In Buncrana, Co. Donegal, Ireland). OK, back to work for me! Adios, Conrad -----Original Message----- From: Vincent Goudreault [mailto:vgoudreault@v...] Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 6:13 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Conrad is a great guy! Hey, I have to go with the general feeling here. Conrad did put all his efforts into producing top quality copies, and not insisting on getting anything back yet (which worried me at first, I was afraid that he would go bankrupt having to supply all those CD-R's and stuff) but I was lucky enough to be capable of printing the smashing (kudos to Maff, marko and Jobim by the way) artwork for him, and thus found a way to at least partially live up to my end of the deal. C.B.Vincent Goudreault > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 19:06:16 +0200 > From: Paul Fellows > Subject: Re: apoligies... > > Conrad is my Tree provider too, I have had the same delay for the same > reason, and I would just like to second Armin's comments, as well as to say > that Conrad is a 'stand-up guy'! > > Paul ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ -------------------- This email service is provided by So-net HK. Apply Now to be our members. From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 12:14 pm Subject: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? During dinner time I visited a so-called 'Megastore' in Hamburg named SATURN which has a huge selection of CDs. I was looking for TD & Schulze stuff and they had lots of titles to offer in the 'Rock/Pop' section. But I just couldn't find any CDs by Johannes Schmoelling and Ashra. I gave up and was already walking towards the exit when suddenly I noticed a tiny 'New age' section near the escalator, and among such 'classics' like 'Feng Shui: music for relaxation Vol.2' I found two Johannes Schmoelling CDs, and also the first two albums by 'Ash Ra Tempel' (can someone please tell me what's so new age-y about tracks like 'Amboss' or 'Flowers must die' ?! ;-) Those people who were responsible for categorizing the music should be punished by listening to the German Top 10 charts five times in a row!! Somehow I find this very disillusioning, I know that J.Schmoelling or Ashra isn't music for the masses, but they deserve much more attention and care (guess I will visit the store again tomorrow and will put them to the 'Rock/Pop' section, hehe..;-) Regards Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33489 Re: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? Dan Downey Mon 4/22/2002 4 KB 33493 Re: Where to file TD Poll Utch Entel Mon 4/22/2002 2 KB 33490 Re: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? Armin Theissen Mon 4/22/2002 7 KB 33491 Re: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? Antonio Nunes Mon 4/22/2002 2 KB 33492 Re: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? Antonio Nunes Mon 4/22/2002 2 KB 33496 Re: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Mon 4/22/2002 5 KB 33498 Re: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? John Vertical Mon 4/22/2002 3 KB 33499 Re: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? John McIntyre Mon 4/22/2002 2 KB 33500 Re: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? fozziebear Mon 4/22/2002 2 KB From: Dan Downey Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 1:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? As the New Age fad came on it eventually supplanted the EM sections entirely and unfortunately the lesser knows (promoted) EM started to disappear. TD was one of the few that had the staying power but it annoyed me to see them in New Age, they are closer to rock than New Age (imho). I had several debates with shop owners on this and finally gave up. The other day I went into and HMV and I thought I was over it but there, filed right behind Tangerine Dream, was John Tesh. Another inclusion in New Age that boggled my mind was Jarre's Zoolook (a personal favorite). There were plenty more like this as well. Maybe I can become an EM terrorist and surreptitiously relocate their discs to a more appropriate section. A lot of stores now have 'Electroncica' sections which are quite huge and divided up into a myriad of sub-genres - maybe they can consider a slice of that section for more traditional EM. Though what's traditional? Maybe this would be an interesting poll for the group. If you ran a record store, where would you file TD? -rock -new age -electronic -experimental The same question could be asked on where you most frequently find them filed. -DanD --- Heiko Heerssen wrote: > During dinner time I visited a so-called 'Megastore' > in Hamburg named > SATURN which has a huge selection of CDs. I was > looking for TD & Schulze > stuff and they had lots of titles to offer in the > 'Rock/Pop' section. > But I just couldn't find any CDs by Johannes > Schmoelling and Ashra. > I gave up and was already walking towards the exit > when suddenly I > noticed a tiny 'New age' section near the escalator, > and among such > 'classics' like 'Feng Shui: music for relaxation > Vol.2' I found two > Johannes Schmoelling CDs, and also the first two > albums by 'Ash Ra > Tempel' (can someone please tell me what's so new > age-y about tracks > like 'Amboss' or 'Flowers must die' ?! ;-) > > Those people who were responsible for categorizing > the music should be > punished by listening to the German Top 10 charts > five times in a row!! > Somehow I find this very disillusioning, I know that > J.Schmoelling or > Ashra isn't music for the masses, but they deserve > much more attention > and care (guess I will visit the store again > tomorrow and will put them > to the 'Rock/Pop' section, hehe..;-) > > Regards > Heiko > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.dtbits.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33493 Re: Where to file TD Poll Utch Entel Mon 4/22/2002 2 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 1:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? hi, ...and generally I think there are far too many sections in record stores today. If you're not sure where to look you may have to search four of five sections to find an artist. Joe Satriani lives a hybrid existence between Rock/Pop and Heavy. And then it also depends on the country you're in. I've seen TD under Jazz in Spain. Ireland files Philip Glass under 'classic contemporal' (A subsection of a section!) and elsewhere I found it under Jazz or Pop, too. Haven't seen any Aziza Mustafa Zadeh here recently - they might have moved it to 'World'. This World section is funny anyway. Belfast's HMV puts Eros Ramazotti under 'World Italian'. You could just as well open a 'World USA' section with Bruce Springsteen in it. A shop in Sydney I've been in had all those Bavarian beer-drinking songs under 'World German' - gosh, how do they see us germans down-under? Better put Tangerine Dream there.... One section, however, I really appreciated. That was 'Rarities' in 'Madrid Rock' in which I immediately found TD's 'live improvised'. ;-) armin > > As the New Age fad came on it eventually supplanted > the EM sections entirely and unfortunately the lesser > knows (promoted) EM started to disappear. TD was one > of the few that had the staying power but it annoyed > me to see them in New Age, they are closer to rock > than New Age (imho). I had several debates with shop > owners on this and finally gave up. > > The other day I went into and HMV and I thought I was > over it but there, filed right behind Tangerine Dream, > was John Tesh. Another inclusion in New Age that > boggled my mind was Jarre's Zoolook (a personal > favorite). There were plenty more like this as well. > > Maybe I can become an EM terrorist and surreptitiously > relocate their discs to a more appropriate section. A > lot of stores now have 'Electroncica' sections which > are quite huge and divided up into a myriad of > sub-genres - maybe they can consider a slice of that > section for more traditional EM. Though what's > traditional? > > Maybe this would be an interesting poll for the group. > If you ran a record store, where would you file TD? > > -rock > -new age > -electronic > -experimental > > The same question could be asked on where you most > frequently find them filed. > > -DanD > > --- Heiko Heerssen wrote: > > During dinner time I visited a so-called 'Megastore' > > in Hamburg named > > SATURN which has a huge selection of CDs. I was > > looking for TD & Schulze > > stuff and they had lots of titles to offer in the > > 'Rock/Pop' section. > > But I just couldn't find any CDs by Johannes > > Schmoelling and Ashra. > > I gave up and was already walking towards the exit > > when suddenly I > > noticed a tiny 'New age' section near the escalator, > > and among such > > 'classics' like 'Feng Shui: music for relaxation > > Vol.2' I found two > > Johannes Schmoelling CDs, and also the first two > > albums by 'Ash Ra > > Tempel' (can someone please tell me what's so new > > age-y about tracks > > like 'Amboss' or 'Flowers must die' ?! ;-) > > > > Those people who were responsible for categorizing > > the music should be > > punished by listening to the German Top 10 charts > > five times in a row!! > > Somehow I find this very disillusioning, I know that > > J.Schmoelling or > > Ashra isn't music for the masses, but they deserve > > much more attention > > and care (guess I will visit the store again > > tomorrow and will put them > > to the 'Rock/Pop' section, hehe..;-) > > > > Regards > > Heiko > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ===== > > DanD - aka DJAmbient > > www.dtbits.com > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > http://games.yahoo.com/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Antonio Nunes Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? Dan Downey wrote: > Maybe this would be an interesting poll for the group. > If you ran a record store, where would you file TD? It depends on the album. For example: -rock: Cyclone -new age: The Seven Letters from Tibet -electronic: Rubycon -experimental: Zeit Personally I don't have anything against the label 'New Age'. As in other genres, there is bad New Age and good New Age. And some TD albums, like 7 Letters or Inferno are good New Age (IMHO). Antonio From: Antonio Nunes Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 2:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? Armin Theissen wrote: > > This World section is funny anyway. Belfast's > HMV puts Eros Ramazotti under 'World Italian'. I've bought a few Klaus Schulze albums (Irrlicht, Picture Music, Timewind) in a Portuguese store specialized in World Music. Go figure! Antonio From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 3:06 pm Subject: Re: Where to file TD Poll Hi, Dan! >Maybe this would be an interesting poll for the group. >If you ran a record store, where would you file TD? > >-rock >-new age >-electronic >-experimental > >The same question could be asked on where you most >frequently find them filed. I would file TD under EM (even though many albums would be better classified elsewhere), but I always find them under New Age... ...Utch From: Joe Shoults Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 4:14 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] [TT2] tree database updated as of this moment Hi Herbert- Yes, this is correct. 'DOWN' means they have broadband download capabilities. The receiving format is SHN, as download instead of snail mail. So there are 3 format choices: REDBOOK = snail mail SHN = snail mail DOWN = SHN via download 'HOST' means you can host the SHN files for FTP download for others. We currently have 20 DOWN people to download files from 4 HOSTS. Of these 20 DOWNs, 12 are branches, accomodating 51 leaves! DOWN people are in a position to be among the first to receive their files, and as such are valuable resources as branches. Also note that anyone conducting a DOWN trade may not have to deal with shipping and postage; they may be able to conduct the entire trade electronically, if these are the agreed-upon terms for both parties. Some people who can DOWN can't HOST or branch. This is, of course, perfectly OK. JOe > -----Original Message----- > From: Herbert [mailto:gae@g...] > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 4:15 PM > To: 'Joe Shoults' > Subject: AW: [tadream] [TT2] tree database updated as of this moment > > > Hi Joe, > i've just checked the database. > I've seen 2 columns i could not understand at the moment: > a) B/L has a 3rd alternative 'HOST' > b) the format column includes 'DOWN' > If it's possible i would prefer to download the files (I also > accept (snail) > mail :))) ) > My major drawback is my ADSL upstream (128 kbit - the > downstream 700 and > some kbit is okay) > > Thanks > Herbert > > > > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Joe Shoults [mailto:jshoults@f...] > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. April 2002 19:59 > > An: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > > Betreff: [tadream] [TT2] tree database updated as of this moment > > > > > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > all TT2 and permanent requests and TT1 'received' notices > > posted as of right > > now. > > > > JOe > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > From: Liquid Universe Date: Sat Apr 20, 2002 12:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] IRC chat Friday and Saturday night!! > Uhhh...is that supposed to be going on right now? if it is...seems i'm the > only one in there right now. > > > > > > Please come join us for the regularly scheduled TD chats on Friday > > > and Saturday nights! We had a couple newcomers last week! It was > > > nice to meet Dave B and Mike Jean there! :o) EVERYONE please feel > > > free to join us! I'll be in chat starting at 7pm [MDT] for a few > > > hours. Someone show up so I don't have to talk to myself again. My > > > therapist recommends against it. ;o) > > > > > > Morgan has made this simple IRC download that will connect you to the > > > chat room with NO effort on your part! It couldn't be easier! > > > > > > http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/tadreamIRC.exe > > > > > > Please come join us! I look forward to meeting you all! > > > > > > See ya, > > > Chad > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 3:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? Back in the 80s...when i was a kid growing up in Florida, the local record shop (Camelot Music), also had a very bad habit of placing EM in the worng sections. The 1st time I went into one of their stores, TD was found in the Rock section........a few months later...in Jazz.......my next trip....Classical......and, finally...after several months, something hapened.....they actually put an EM section in their stores! Since i've been here i Canada for the last 2.5 yrs....I noticed HMV (lame excuse for a CD shop), has been methodically destroying my lifeline to good music...including TD (they've only had the same 2 CDs in there for the last yr)...they ditched Steve Roach all together.....while their supply of lame-ass pop crap continues to expand. U.S. imports cost 2.5 times what I would pay in the states...and that's if they decide they want to special order the stuff. ========================================================= Heiko Heerssen wrote: > During dinner time I visited a so-called 'Megastore' in Hamburg named > SATURN which has a huge selection of CDs. I was looking for TD & Schulze > stuff and they had lots of titles to offer in the 'Rock/Pop' section. > But I just couldn't find any CDs by Johannes Schmoelling and Ashra. > I gave up and was already walking towards the exit when suddenly I > noticed a tiny 'New age' section near the escalator, and among such > 'classics' like 'Feng Shui: music for relaxation Vol.2' I found two > Johannes Schmoelling CDs, and also the first two albums by 'Ash Ra > Tempel' (can someone please tell me what's so new age-y about tracks > like 'Amboss' or 'Flowers must die' ?! ;-) > > Those people who were responsible for categorizing the music should be > punished by listening to the German Top 10 charts five times in a row!! > Somehow I find this very disillusioning, I know that J.Schmoelling or > Ashra isn't music for the masses, but they deserve much more attention > and care (guess I will visit the store again tomorrow and will put them > to the 'Rock/Pop' section, hehe..;-) > > Regards > Heiko > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Liquid Universe Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:05 pm Subject: Petition to bring TD to Toronto Hey everyone......new to the list, here....big TD fan, too. Anyway, i'm starting a petition to try and bring TD to The Great White North. Any and all Canadian TD fans...or all fans for that matter, are encouraged to go to my webpage, and sign the petition: http://www.execulink.com/~liquiduniverse/ Let's show TD that the U.K. and Europe aren't the only places they want to be seen and heard. *radiowaves* Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33506 Re: Petition to bring TD to Toronto Jonathan Holt Tue 4/23/2002 3 KB 33746 Re: Petition to bring TD to Toronto Mr Staypuft Mon 5/6/2002 5 KB 33750 Petition to bring TD to USA PENFOLD Tue 5/7/2002 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 4:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? I've seen TD not under too many categories... Every shop here where I've even found any of their albums lists them under 'progressive rock' with the exception of a lone sighting of Phaedra under something like 'Cheap Stuff'. (Of course I bought it.) Prog is an OK category up to Tangram, but I'd move the latter 80s albums under Electronic, most of the 90s albums under Rock, and the most recent under New Age... I can uderstand the shopkeepers filings in most cases; but illogicalities like labeling Oxygene as Pop while still having GC under Progressive Rock is not explainable by anything other than that they first decide what genre a musican is, and then they put all of his / hers / their albums there. I guess that explains most of these - and would you rather like browsing all those 4-5 sections only once per shop, or everytime you visit the place? But one thing I just can't understand is, how can anyone label TD as Jazz? Even thought stuff like Ricochet may be improvised, it's _not_ jazz. Shouldn't jazz be non-electronic? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From: John McIntyre Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 5:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? John Vertical wrote: > Shouldn't jazz be non-electronic? That's what Downbeat said about _Bitches Brew_. (-8 John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... From: 'fozziebear' Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 5:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? Dan Downey said 'Another inclusion in New Age that > boggled my mind was Jarre's Zoolook (a personal > favorite).' Yeah I like that too. Sometimes when I try to find the Orb I have to look under all sorts of different categories to find it - like Dance. I have found TD under 'World' section too. David Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33501 Re: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? dreamstogo Mon 4/22/2002 2 KB 33502 Re: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? dreamstogo Mon 4/22/2002 2 KB From: 'dreamstogo' Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 6:45 pm Subject: Re: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? Hi all, If you go to the Paris La Defense record stores, you'll find TD under 'Relaxation' in the Virgin megastore (with its own place marker too and the same three CDs for the last X months). In the Fnac store they are under 'New Age' (again with own place marker but no CDs) which is in the Classical section! What I find is that when you ask for help, most record assistants say 'Who?!?' What reactions do others get? Hilary --- In tadream@y..., 'fozziebear' wrote: > Dan Downey said 'Another inclusion in New Age that > > boggled my mind was Jarre's Zoolook (a personal > > favorite).' > > Yeah I like that too. > > Sometimes when I try to find the Orb I have to look under all sorts of > different categories to find it - like Dance. I have found TD under > 'World' section too. > > David From: 'dreamstogo' Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 6:46 pm Subject: Re: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? Hi all, If you go to the Paris La Defense record stores, you'll find TD under 'Relaxation' in the Virgin megastore (with its own place marker too and the same three CDs for the last X months). In the Fnac store they are under 'New Age' (again with own place marker but no CDs) which is in the Classical section! What I find is that when you ask for help, most record assistants say 'Who?!?' What reactions do others get? Hilary --- In tadream@y..., 'fozziebear' wrote: > Dan Downey said 'Another inclusion in New Age that > > boggled my mind was Jarre's Zoolook (a personal > > favorite).' > > Yeah I like that too. > > Sometimes when I try to find the Orb I have to look under all sorts of > different categories to find it - like Dance. I have found TD under > 'World' section too. > > David From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 6:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? > John Vertical wrote: > > > Shouldn't jazz be non-electronic? HUH? Well then shouldn't Blues be non-electronic too? How about classical? or Barber Quartet etc? Does Electronic mean no amps? mixers? effects? or is this a keyboard/synth term? This is much fertile ground to ponder. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John McIntyre' To: Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? > John Vertical wrote: > > > Shouldn't jazz be non-electronic? > > That's what Downbeat said about _Bitches Brew_. (-8 > > John McIntyre > Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept > Michigan State University > mcintyre@p... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'goozergrafx' Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 6:36 pm Subject: Re: OT: Jan Hammer Complete Miami Vice is out! Sorry...gonna need *WAY* more proof than that. Especially since there is *NO* record of any such release in Japan, let alone anywhere else! Had such a release occured, I assure you I would've heard about it, as I regularly search(ed) not only import distributors/retailers here, but also European/Japanese retailers *and* collectors as well. Seeing as none of the hardcore Hammer collectors have ever heard of this 'release' and, again, Jan *himself* said he didn't complete the new tracks until late last year and the record company (OneWay) stated that they didn't finish the booklet until last month, I think you are mistaken about what you saw. But if you want to continue to press your claim, go right ahead. I'm done...unless and until the person who bought this item steps forward. Along with his copy of 'The Keep' LP. ;) --- In tadream@y..., Wade Gordon wrote: > This is the exact same two disc set that came out in > Japan about two years ago. It even has the same > cover. I just did not want to pay 43 bucks for it at > Best Buy. > > Wade > --- goozergrafx wrote: > > ??? Uhhhh...no, I don't think so. This is an > > entirely new release, as > > there could not have been a 'Japanese Import' of > > tracks that weren't > > recorded and mastered until now. According to Jan, > > he didn't finish > > the recording and mastering of the stuff on CD2 > > until the beginning of > > this year. > > > > There *have* been 2 'best of' compilations from > > Europe that came out > > over a decade ago, but both contained previously > > released score music > > and pop tunes. I've never seen, let alone heard of, > > a Japanese > > compilation. And I've been collecting Jan Hammer > > longer than I've been > > collecting TD (22+ years.) > > > > Are you related to Mr. Feldman? ;) > > > > --- In tadream@y..., Wade Gordon > > wrote: > > > This c.d. was originally Japanese import that > > > disappeared very fast from the shelves. It > > totally > > > blows away the previous MCA single disc releases. > > And > > > by the way no pop music. Horray!!! > > > > > > Wade > > > --- goozergrafx wrote: > > > > For those who care.... > > > > > > > > Go to www.janhammer.com/giftshop to order the > > Miami > > > > Vice Complete > > > > Collection-2 CDs of mid-80s synth goodness! CD1 > > > > contains all of the > > > > previously released tunes, though some have > > never > > > > been on CD. CD2 > > > > contains completely unreleased material! From: 'winnie tiggerfan' Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 8:34 pm Subject: Setlist, information, etc Hey all, a quick question/favor if I can ask? Anyone happen to have the setlist, venue, or any other information from the TD Digital Tape Tree volume 1-20? I received it from someone in a trade (not sure if that was allowable or not, but I got it), with NO INFORMATION at all. This really sucks, as this has happened repeatedly, and I'm no longer ever trading with people that don't provide that information. I've posted in the past about this, but it's continued. Any help would be greatly appreciated, AND at the same time, was the original source of this Mp3? I received it on two Cds, in Mp3 format? I'm not complaining, cuz I HAVE IT (I don't mind, I'm not that picky), but wanted to ask? thanks, any replies please send me off the list. dan Kayleigh's Playhouse - In 3D!!! http://www.kayleighsplayhouse.com AOL IM (winnietiggerfan), MSN Messenger (winnietiggerfan2002@h...) or Yahoo (kayleighsdaddy)Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Jonathan Holt Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 1:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Petition to bring TD to Toronto I'm in the GTA... and you're right, TD have to come to North America and especially Toronto :-) Welcome to the list! --- Liquid Universe wrote: > Hey everyone......new to the list, here....big TD > fan, too. > > Anyway, i'm starting a petition to try and bring TD > to The Great White > North. > Any and all Canadian TD fans...or all fans for that > matter, are > encouraged to > go to my webpage, and sign the petition: > http://www.execulink.com/~liquiduniverse/ > > Let's show TD that the U.K. and Europe aren't the > only places they want > to > be seen and heard. > > *radiowaves* > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Only a few days left to file! http://taxes.yahoo.ca Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33746 Re: Petition to bring TD to Toronto Mr Staypuft Mon 5/6/2002 5 KB 33750 Petition to bring TD to USA PENFOLD Tue 5/7/2002 2 KB From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 1:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? I've had a few idiots tell me they aren't popular, and they don't sell.....I proceed to tell them they're full of shit, and have no business working in a CD shop....tho not as blunt as I say it in here.....maybe I should get a bit hostile with them next time....or better yet...go postal. =================================================== dreamstogo wrote: > Hi all, > > If you go to the Paris La Defense record stores, you'll find TD > under 'Relaxation' in the Virgin megastore (with its own place marker > too and the same three CDs for the last X months). In the Fnac store > they are under 'New Age' (again with own place marker but no CDs) > which is in the Classical section! > > What I find is that when you ask for help, most record assistants > say 'Who?!?' > > What reactions do others get? > > Hilary > > --- In tadream@y..., 'fozziebear' wrote: > > Dan Downey said 'Another inclusion in New Age that > > > boggled my mind was Jarre's Zoolook (a personal > > > favorite).' > > > > Yeah I like that too. > > > > Sometimes when I try to find the Orb I have to look under all sorts > of > > different categories to find it - like Dance. I have found TD > under > > 'World' section too. > > > > David > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Admin' Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 2:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? This topic has made the rounds before. I can't help but add some pennies to this. I find him in New Age these days at B & N. At the Warehouse I find it in either Jazz, New Age, or in the used stack sorted by what ever method used during the mood. Tower records I find it arrange by Name. Best Buys I find it under New Age and Techno / Electronica. Now the kicker. Have you ever seen a record store employee making more than minimum wage? Do you think they are there for their intelligence? Would you serious consider their thoughts and opinions on music? They have a job. After that it is all optional. I seen times when my friends just went in to check out the chicks working there. Music was not even a fore thought. I check out bargains that I can't get off the net. I sort of wish they fade away. I remember a time when I could expect to see a recording artiest there signing CD, Records or tapes even books or your favorite music mag. Today these places are not where I go to find music, unless it is in the bargain area. I like the idea or sorting music out. I think the best idea is just by name. If they had a guide that showed what other albums are similar then this to me would be the best of both worlds. You will never see me in the Country / Western section or the Rap Section. I just don't believe I would ever find TD, Schmoelling or anyone else in this genre there. I do own some country, Johnny Cash type. So there you have it. As for Rap, hey I got some MC Hammer what more do I need? ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid' To: Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? > I've had a few idiots tell me they aren't popular, and they don't sell.....I > proceed to tell them they're full of shit, and have no business working in a > CD shop....tho not as blunt as I say it in here.....maybe I should get a bit > hostile with them next time....or better yet...go postal. > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33509 Record Store employees Michael A Jean Tue 4/23/2002 2 KB From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 3:34 am Subject: Record Store employees C'mon now... I worked in music stores for almost 7 years when I was younger... Sadly the thing about the wages is true in most cases, but there are other 'benefits'... ;^) MJ > Have you ever seen a record store employee making > more than > minimum wage? Do you think they are there for their intelligence? > Would you > serious consider their thoughts and opinions on music? They have a job. > After that it is all optional. > From: 'Admin' Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 4:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees Well you grew out of it didn't ya? Hope you are doing much better wage wise too. ;-) dale But you are right, some jobs are better than none however you are not paid to be smart there. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Michael A Jean' To: Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 8:34 PM Subject: [tadream] Record Store employees > C'mon now... I worked in music stores for almost 7 years when I was > younger... > > Sadly the thing about the wages is true in most cases, but there are other > 'benefits'... > > ;^) > > MJ > > > > Have you ever seen a record store employee making > > more than > > minimum wage? Do you think they are there for their intelligence? > > Would you > > serious consider their thoughts and opinions on music? They have a job. > > After that it is all optional. > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33513 Re: Record Store employees John Marchington Tue 4/23/2002 4 KB 33514 Re: Record Store employees koulos Tue 4/23/2002 3 KB 33515 Re: Record Store employees Dan Downey Tue 4/23/2002 7 KB 33520 Re: Record Store employees Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 4/23/2002 6 KB 33524 Re: Record Store employees Dan Downey Tue 4/23/2002 7 KB 33531 Re: Record Store employees John Marchington Wed 4/24/2002 10 KB 33533 Re: Record Store employees Dan Downey Wed 4/24/2002 7 KB 33673 Re: Record Store employees horrod6 Tue 4/30/2002 3 KB 33689 Re: Record Store employees Bill Fox Thu 5/2/2002 2 KB From: Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 5:54 am Subject: Newsletter Hello , if you also interested in Music from Ashra, Ash Ra Tempel or Manuel Göttsching - you can join the free ASHRA NEWSLETTER . http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter or ashranewsletter-subcribe@yahoogroups.com Regards heiko owner of the ASHRA NEWSLETTER www.tribute-to-ashra.de www.opticaldream.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 6:46 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? Conclusion of this thread: TD's music just refuses to be categorised and is a category by itself! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'John Marchington' Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 5:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees I would have thought that a GOOD record store employee would have a wide field of musical/recording knowledge and I would like to think that includes both EM and classical music, although I fear that isn't always the case with either. If I want to know whether, say, the store has Underwater Sunlight or Murray Perahia's version of the Goldberg Variations in stock, I expect more than a blank stare and a 'Who?' or 'What?' in reply. I guess it all boils down to the sort of training such people get, which consists of what? Hopefully, a little more than knowing how to open and close the till! ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Admin' To: Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees > Well you grew out of it didn't ya? > Hope you are doing much better wage wise too. > > ;-) > > dale > But you are right, some jobs are better than none however you are not paid > to be smart there. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Michael A Jean' > To: > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 8:34 PM > Subject: [tadream] Record Store employees > > > > C'mon now... I worked in music stores for almost 7 years when I was > > younger... > > > > Sadly the thing about the wages is true in most cases, but there are other > > 'benefits'... > > > > ;^) > > > > MJ > > > > > > > Have you ever seen a record store employee making > > > more than > > > minimum wage? Do you think they are there for their intelligence? > > > Would you > > > serious consider their thoughts and opinions on music? They have a job. > > > After that it is all optional. > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'koulos' Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 8:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees If I want to know whether, say, the store has Underwater Sunlight or Murray Perahia's version of the Goldberg Variations in stock, I expect more than a blank stare and a 'Who?' or 'What?' in reply. well as far as it concerns music stores in greece we have all the types of employes [those you knows nothing , those who knows of EM , those who knows where to send you, and those who owns the store and can make sujestions [small shops thought] the most often in huge shops [well the big ones] is to go to one clerk and ask him with a list in hand wrtitten the name /title of the disk then he will go to the pc connected to the database and tell you whether they have it , if the specific cd is imported in greece by their suplier and so on. as far as the gengre thing i 've seen TD under new age, or in the same floor as JAZZ ,OST , CLassic is. [never in the promotional position thought!!- that is in the places that your eyes will go when moving around a store] anyway enough from me for now all the best kostas koulos Δημόσιες και Διεθνείς σχέσεις Πολιτιστική ομάδα 'Ράδιο Γαία' mailto:koulos@s... http://radiogaia.aua.gr [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33515 Re: Record Store employees Dan Downey Tue 4/23/2002 7 KB From: Dan Downey Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 1:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees Here's a subject I can rant about with some authority but from a different angle. I'm generalizin here but I would have to agree that the super stores are very guilty of just employing warm bodies and should certainly not to be considered professionals. This is usually not true of the good independent record stores. Usually they are owner operated with knowledgable staff - maybe not an authority in all genres but they'll usually care enough to talk and investigate for you. Sadly these independents are going out of business with increasing frequency and many, no matter how good a store, will continue to close. The record stores are the unfortunate victims of CD copying (as well as other pressures). They don't set the prices yet they take all the risk in stocking the merchandise. The strong independent in my area, Newbury Comics, is the cutting edge group of record stores, always at the vangaurd but they are being forced to diversify their stock into used CDs, action figures, toys and other junk to survive. This just cuts into the space and attention they can devote to CDs and music. As a break from my mundane day job I did a stint as a lowly clerk at one of their stores this winter and I can tell you the smell of blood is in the water. What is having just as big an impact as piracy is the super stores. Walmart, Sams, Best Buy etc. are all carrying CDs in increasingly large numbers at very attractice prices but they, for the most part, will only carry the popular commercial stuff.I don't have as much of a beef with internet sales. To me that's justifiable and often the only recourse someone might have. The sales of pop music is what allows a lot of record stores to be able to carry the independent and small market CDs. Selling 100 CDs a week by Brittany Spears will let you stock hundreds of various artists that do not have that kind of turnover. This is being siphoned off by the super stores and causing a real cash flow problem for the independents. CD sales by record stores are down 6-7% the last quarter while they are up about 10% for the super stores. I worked in the book for years and it happened to them first and I see the same pattern re-occuring in the record industry. Even Tower Records is in danger at this point. While it is a multi-national chain they do run philosophically like an independent in many ways. There's a chance they will go into Chapter 11 this year and if they close the biggest repurcussion will be in Classical & Jazz music, at least half of the independent classical labels will go out of business immediatly since Tower is the only place that will stock their stuff. Sorry this is turning into a bit of a rant but I wanted to justify this point - Whenever you have the choice - Buy from an independent record store! It may cost you a buck or two more than Best Buy or Amazon but the super store's business is selling 'product' not music. When something comes along with better margin the CDs will diminish but the damage will be already done and the independents will be gone. I suppose the net is a safety net of sorts but I'm a browser and the net is fine if you know what you want. You can find new stuff on the net but, in my opinion, nothing beats going through the bins of a good independent. As for the store employees- they don't get paid a lot. Many are young and in school and the turnover is high. I'd also like to state that I don't know anyone who owns an independent book or record store who ever got rich off of it. Most of them got into it because they love what they do. Sorry for the increasingly off-topic rant. I'll gladly carry on the rant off-line if anyone is interested. This bears repeating though - Buy independent! To quote a famous song for you old hippies - 'You don't know what you've got till it's gone.' --- koulos wrote: > > If I want to know whether, say, the store has > Underwater Sunlight or Murray > Perahia's version of the Goldberg Variations in > stock, I expect more than a > blank stare and a 'Who?' or 'What?' in reply. > > > well as far as it concerns music stores in greece we > have all the types of employes [those you knows > nothing , those who knows of EM , those who knows > where to send you, and those who owns the store and > can make sujestions [small shops thought] > > the most often in huge shops [well the big ones] is > to go to one clerk and ask him with a list in hand > wrtitten the name /title of the disk > > then he will go to the pc connected to the database > and tell you whether they have it , if the specific > cd is imported in greece by their suplier and so on. > > > as far as the gengre thing i 've seen TD under new > age, or in the same floor as JAZZ ,OST , CLassic is. > [never in the promotional position thought!!- that > is in the places that your eyes will go when moving > around a store] > > anyway enough from me for now > > all the best > > kostas koulos > Δημόσιες και Διεθνείς > σχέσεις > Πολιτιστική ομάδα 'Ράδιο > Γαία' > mailto:koulos@s... > http://radiogaia.aua.gr > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.dtbits.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From: 'koulos' Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 2:00 pm Subject: tech + archives sorry for this tech question whats the best software to use in order to transfer some audio tape into a pc [wav format ] ? also since i know that we must have discussed this allready [and i know that you may not wanna resent the same info] whats the way to search into the archives? is this in the www.tadream.net site or in the yahho or somewhere else? is it easy to use ? thanxs in advance kostas [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33522 Re: tech + archives maggior Tue 4/23/2002 3 KB From: 'Phil White' Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 3:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tech + archives Hi Kostas, IMO the best program by far is 'Soundforge' ( and now in a cheaper and only slightly less powerful version but I forget its name...) Also pretty good is again in my opinion 'Audio Cleaning Lab' which is the nice 'n' cheap Magix range of software and has excellent wizard help system but obviously doesn'thave ALL the bells and whistles of SF. Obviously you also need a good soundcard to get really good results.... axiomatic really.. Regards Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: 'koulos' > whats the best software to use in order to transfer some audio tape into a pc [wav format ] ? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33518 Re: tech + archives Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Tue 4/23/2002 3 KB 33519 Re: tech + archives Matthew Stringer Tue 4/23/2002 3 KB 33523 Re: tech + archives Chris Owen Tue 4/23/2002 3 KB 33529 Re: tech + archives Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 4/23/2002 4 KB From: Liquid Universe/PlanetLiquid Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tech + archives SoundForge is my top choice....however..it does have a bit of a steep learning curve for those not familiar with such software......one of the pluses with SF, is it includes some of their top signal procesing plugins....but going from cassette....don't expect to be able to get much of an improvement in sound quality. ======================================================== Phil White wrote: > Hi Kostas, > IMO the best program by far is 'Soundforge' ( and now in a cheaper and only > slightly > less powerful version but I forget its name...) > Also pretty good is again in my opinion 'Audio Cleaning Lab' which is the > nice 'n' cheap Magix range of software and has excellent wizard help system > but obviously doesn'thave ALL the bells and whistles of SF. > Obviously you also need a good soundcard to get really good results.... > axiomatic really.. > > Regards Phil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'koulos' > > > whats the best software to use in order to transfer some audio tape into a > pc [wav format ] ? > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 4:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tech + archives You can use the audio recorder built in to Windows if you just want to make a straight transfer and not spend any money. But if you want 'the best' then you can't get much better than SoundForge. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: 'koulos' To: Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 3:00 PM Subject: [tadream] tech + archives > sorry for this tech question > > whats the best software to use in order to transfer some audio tape into a pc [wav format ] ? > > also since i know that we must have discussed this allready [and i know that you may not wanna resent the same info] whats the way to search into the archives? is this in the www.tadream.net site or in the yahho or somewhere else? is it easy to use ? > > > thanxs in advance kostas > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 5:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees Retail requires little skill other than the till. If you want knowledgeable folks, you have to be willing to pay more for them. That means the cost of the product now has a 'value added too'. How many of us will pay $1.00 for something that I could get for $1.00 less at so and so? Most to not see a value added too on any product. Same is true with perceived brands. The cost to educate a consumer isn't always the reasonability to the retailer. I could give you many examples from records to books to clothes where the person there was simply there to stock and handle the till. I wish it would be different but in this competitive world I don't see happening. I wonder if there would be enough to justify a store were the employees knew what they where selling. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Marchington' To: Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees > I would have thought that a GOOD record store employee would have a wide > field of musical/recording knowledge and I would like to think that includes > both EM and classical music, although I fear that isn't always the case with > either. > > If I want to know whether, say, the store has Underwater Sunlight or Murray > Perahia's version of the Goldberg Variations in stock, I expect more than a > blank stare and a 'Who?' or 'What?' in reply. > > I guess it all boils down to the sort of training such people get, which > consists of what? Hopefully, a little more than knowing how to open and > close the till! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Admin' > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 4:47 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees > > > > Well you grew out of it didn't ya? > > Hope you are doing much better wage wise too. > > > > ;-) > > > > dale > > But you are right, some jobs are better than none however you are not paid > > to be smart there. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Michael A Jean' > > To: > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 8:34 PM > > Subject: [tadream] Record Store employees > > > > > > > C'mon now... I worked in music stores for almost 7 years when I was > > > younger... > > > > > > Sadly the thing about the wages is true in most cases, but there are > other > > > 'benefits'... > > > > > > ;^) > > > > > > MJ > > > > > > > > > > Have you ever seen a record store employee making > > > > more than > > > > minimum wage? Do you think they are there for their intelligence? > > > > Would you > > > > serious consider their thoughts and opinions on music? They have a > job. > > > > After that it is all optional. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33524 Re: Record Store employees Dan Downey Tue 4/23/2002 7 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 5:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? yes dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Armin Theissen' To: Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Schmoelling 'New age' / TD 'Rock/Pop'? > > > Conclusion of this thread: > > TD's music just refuses to be categorised and is a category > by itself! > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 > SUN Microsystems Ireland > > 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' > - Woody Allen > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'maggior' Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 5:53 pm Subject: Re: tech + archives I haven't seen anybody mention CoolEdit 2000 yet, so I had to interject :-). I've been using this software for 2 years now and I think it is great. I transfer a lot of lps (I've probably done over 100 by now) to CD and I've found this program to be very flexible yet easy to use. I have also had a lot of success with their noise reduction plug-in for both declicking lps and reducing hiss on cassette recordings. Their tech support is great. They provide fully functional demo versions. BTW, SoundForge XP Studio 5.0 is the cheap version ($59.97) of Sound Forge. Rich Maggio --- In tadream@y..., 'koulos' wrote: > sorry for this tech question > > whats the best software to use in order to transfer some audio tape into a pc [wav format ] ? > > also since i know that we must have discussed this allready [and i know that you may not wanna resent the same info] whats the way to search into the archives? is this in the www.tadream.net site or in the yahho or somewhere else? is it easy to use ? > > > thanxs in advance kostas > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 1:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] tech + archives I've always used Steinberg's 'Wavelab 3' myself, which is what TD have used recently to master their CDs. If it's good enough for them.....! - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: koulos To: Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 7:00 AM Subject: [tadream] tech + archives > sorry for this tech question > > whats the best software to use in order to transfer some audio tape into a pc [wav format ] ? > > also since i know that we must have discussed this allready [and i know that you may not wanna resent the same info] whats the way to search into the archives? is this in the www.tadream.net site or in the yahho or somewhere else? is it easy to use ? > > > thanxs in advance kostas > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Dan Downey Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 6:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees That was part of the point I was trying to make in my earlier rant. When you find a store with knowledgable and skilled staff it's worth supporting them even if it costs you an extra buck. I've been saved from buying stuff and been tipped off on new stuff by staff I've grown to know and who know what I like. I don't look at it as a cost but rather as an investment. It's the same way I value lists like tadream. I could go putz around at MP3.com etc. and try and try and fill my need for EM or I can hunt down real deal with the folks who care. I may be spoiled though since I'm lucky enough to live in an area with some excellent indie stores. They've been able to survive (so far) going up against the likes of Tower, HMV, and Virgin because of their staff and service. --- 'Administrator for kay-net.com' wrote: > Retail requires little skill other than the till. If > you want knowledgeable > folks, you have to be willing to pay more for them. > That means the cost of > the product now has a 'value added too'. How many of > us will pay $1.00 for > something that I could get for $1.00 less at so and > so? Most to not see a > value added too on any product. Same is true with > perceived brands. > The cost to educate a consumer isn't always the > reasonability to the > retailer. > > I could give you many examples from records to books > to clothes where the > person there was simply there to stock and handle > the till. > > I wish it would be different but in this competitive > world I don't see > happening. I wonder if there would be enough to > justify a store were the > employees knew what they where selling. > > dale > > Administrator for Kay-Net.com > admin@k... > 661-723-0266 > Your best source for Computer Products, Internet > needs and Knowledge. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'John Marchington' > To: > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 10:47 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees > > > > I would have thought that a GOOD record store > employee would have a wide > > field of musical/recording knowledge and I would > like to think that > includes > > both EM and classical music, although I fear that > isn't always the case > with > > either. > > > > If I want to know whether, say, the store has > Underwater Sunlight or > Murray > > Perahia's version of the Goldberg Variations in > stock, I expect more than > a > > blank stare and a 'Who?' or 'What?' in reply. > > > > I guess it all boils down to the sort of training > such people get, which > > consists of what? Hopefully, a little more than > knowing how to open and > > close the till! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Admin' > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 4:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees > > > > > > > Well you grew out of it didn't ya? > > > Hope you are doing much better wage wise too. > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > dale > > > But you are right, some jobs are better than > none however you are not > paid > > > to be smart there. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: 'Michael A Jean' > > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 8:34 PM > > > Subject: [tadream] Record Store employees > > > > > > > > > > C'mon now... I worked in music stores for > almost 7 years when I was > > > > younger... > > > > > > > > Sadly the thing about the wages is true in > most cases, but there are > > other > > > > 'benefits'... > > > > > > > > ;^) > > > > > > > > MJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Have you ever seen a record store employee > making > > > > > more than > > > > > minimum wage? Do you think they are there > for their intelligence? > > > > > Would you > > > > > serious consider their thoughts and opinions > on music? They have a > > job. > > > > > After that it is all optional. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.dtbits.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From: Dan Downey Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 5:16 pm Subject: Haslinger bargain CD Stumbled upon a good deal at http://www.soleilmoon.com on a Paul Haslinger CD. This is a pretty interesting label/distributor. ARTIST: COMA VIRUS TITLE: Hidden LABEL: SIDE EFFECTS DESCRIPTION: New project by former Tangerine Dream member Paul Haslinger, with assistance from Thomas Dimuzio and Loren Nerell. Haslinger is also collaborating with Brian Williams on a new Lustmord album, to be released late in 1997. ITEM NUMBER: 04123 FORMAT: CD PRICE: $5.00 ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.dtbits.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33532 Re: Haslinger bargain CD John Marchington Wed 4/24/2002 3 KB From: Joe Shoults Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 7:24 pm Subject: OT: RE: [tadream] tech + archives depends which archives. We have the pre-onelist/egroups/yahoogorups archives at tadream.net under 'Archives', but the archives of messages after that are at yahoogroups. BUT, as I mentioned some time earlier, we are working on ways to extract the data from the yahoogroups message database for posterity. I'm happy to announce we were successful and so successful in fact, that we're looking at ways of marketing the tool we've made to do it to other yahoogroups listowners. what this means for the tadream community is nothing right now but security that our archives are safe in case yahoo decides 1) they want to limit storage 2) they want to delete 3) they want to charge 4) they goof up and delete accidentally I have no search ability in place for the uwp archives, but they are here: http://www.tadream.net/archives yahoogroups does not query the entire database for your answer - only a few thousand usually. you can do your own custom queries by simply inserting the message number in this URL, where xxx=your numeric message number search starting point. you might want to start with message #1, and repeat using increments of 2-3000 up to the 34,000 or so that are there. If that didn't make any sense, let me know. remember if you are searching for more than one word, ' ' is used to denote a space in a text string, as shown below: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/messagesearch/xxx?query=your search% 20term here > -----Original Message----- > From: koulos [mailto:koulos@s...] > whats the way to search into the archives? is this in the > www.tadream.net site or in the yahho or somewhere else? is it > easy to use ? From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 7:26 pm Subject: 'Hamma' Just got the May issue of Keyboard yesterday and there's an interview with Jan Hammer talking about the new album and how he recreated some of the sounds, e.g. in one instance I think he was talking about how he doubled the old Memorymoog with his Virus or something like that, etc. << Subject: Re: Re: OT: Jan Hammer Complete Miami Vice is out! This is the exact same two disc set that came out in Japan about two years ago. It even has the same cover. I just did not want to pay 43 bucks for it at Best Buy.>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33530 Re: 'Hamma' Administrator for kay-net.com Tue 4/23/2002 3 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 8:23 pm Subject: recording software Ha! That sounds basically like the gist of the latest Nuendo seminar that Steinberg has been touring with. They're playing the surround version of Night At the Opera and are talking about all of the Producers who are using it... basically saying, hey, if it's good enough for Queen, you schmucks should be happy we're even selling it to you!!! But seriously, don't drive yourself crazy spending hundreds of dollars on a DAW just to transfer a cassette. As was said, it's also going to depend on your soundcard and ultimately the quality of the original, which (being a cassette) limits you from the get-go. All of the programs mentioned (Sound Forge, Magix, Wavelab, Cool Edit) should be fine for what you want to do. The cheapest would probably be Sound Forge XP, with the added benefit of having an upgrade path to the full version if you really get into it. That said, I believe Cool Edit and Wavelab have 'lite' versions too. << Subject: Re: tech + archives I've always used Steinberg's 'Wavelab 3' myself, which is what TD have used recently to master their CDs. If it's good enough for them.....! - Chris>>> From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 9:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: tech + archives yes cool edit is fine it has always been a good program to do simple edits with. Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'maggior' To: Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:53 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: tech + archives > I haven't seen anybody mention CoolEdit 2000 yet, so I had to > interject :-). I've been using this software for 2 years now and I > think it is great. I transfer a lot of lps (I've probably done over > 100 by now) to CD and I've found this program to be very flexible yet > easy to use. I have also had a lot of success with their noise > reduction plug-in for both declicking lps and reducing hiss on > cassette recordings. Their tech support is great. They provide > fully functional demo versions. > > BTW, SoundForge XP Studio 5.0 is the cheap version ($59.97) of Sound > Forge. > > Rich Maggio > > > --- In tadream@y..., 'koulos' wrote: > > sorry for this tech question > > > > whats the best software to use in order to transfer some audio tape > into a pc [wav format ] ? > > > > also since i know that we must have discussed this allready [and i > know that you may not wanna resent the same info] whats the way to > search into the archives? is this in the www.tadream.net site or in > the yahho or somewhere else? is it easy to use ? > > > > > > thanxs in advance kostas > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Tue Apr 23, 2002 9:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Hamma' you are so lucky.. I just got the April Issue yesterday. This is what I get from buying it at B & N. I need to subscribe. then again, I am about 1 to 2 months behind reading anyway... Dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:26 PM Subject: [tadream] 'Hamma' > Just got the May issue of Keyboard yesterday and there's an interview with Jan Hammer talking about the new album and how he recreated some of the sounds, e.g. in one instance I think he was talking about how he doubled the old Memorymoog with his Virus or something like that, etc. > > << Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 12:51:03 -0700 (PDT) > From: Wade Gordon > Subject: Re: Re: OT: Jan Hammer Complete Miami Vice is out! > > This is the exact same two disc set that came out in > Japan about two years ago. It even has the same > cover. I just did not want to pay 43 bucks for it at > Best Buy.>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'John Marchington' Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 1:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees Dan, I think you're being a little harsh on Internet-based CD stores but I agree entirely with the rest of your argument. Sadly, there is only one independent left in my (not so) immediate area and that closes early on the one night I am in a position to visit it. Interestingly, though, I've never looked for TD there as it tends to specialize in classical with some lighter music in another area of the store. There is one other store that was owner operated initially, but it has been bought out by another (admittedly) musically-active organization (in the field of making recordings, not pressing them) but the current staff don't seem to have a particularly wide knowledge on anything outside of commercial pop. When the original owner left (he is a French horn player of some distinction and plays in the NZSO from time to time), almost all his vast music knowledge -- especially classical and jazz -- went with him. I do look for TD when I'm there but I never find anything new. There are of course independents on the Web, too, and I can thoroughly recommend Synth Music Direct in the UK (I hope a little plug here is OK, Joe?) having bought a lot from them, although not much TD: Free System Projekt, Paul Ellis, Klaus Schulze and Rainbow Serpent to name four artists/groups CDs bought recently. David Law, who runs SMD, is both knowledgeable and extremely helpful. Of the 'super-stores' I actually have a lot of time for Amazon.com. They do 'push' but you just have to decide what you want to buy from them and go for it. Your comments about main-stream pop being the life blood of most CD stores is undoubtedly, true and like you I do worry about the long term effect that MP3s and illegal copying generally is going to have on the record industry as a whole -- and it is surely in the field of pop that this piracy is most prevalent. Eventually, the consequences will filter through to EM, classical, jazz and probably even film soundtracks with the result that fewer and fewer recordings will be made. Talking about Tower Records reminds me that I received an e-mail message by mistake from someone associated with the American Record Guide. The news? That Tower was virtually bankrupt. That seems to back up your comments about the company. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Dan Downey' To: Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees > Here's a subject I can rant about with some authority > but from a different angle. I'm generalizin here but I > would have to agree that the super stores are very > guilty of just employing warm bodies and should > certainly not to be considered professionals. > > This is usually not true of the good independent > record stores. Usually they are owner operated with > knowledgable staff - maybe not an authority in all > genres but they'll usually care enough to talk and > investigate for you. > > Sadly these independents are going out of business > with increasing frequency and many, no matter how good > a store, will continue to close. The record stores are > the unfortunate victims of CD copying (as well as > other pressures). They don't set the prices yet they > take all the risk in stocking the merchandise. > > The strong independent in my area, Newbury Comics, is > the cutting edge group of record stores, always at the > vangaurd but they are being forced to diversify their > stock into used CDs, action figures, toys and other > junk to survive. This just cuts into the space and > attention they can devote to CDs and music. As a break > from my mundane day job I did a stint as a lowly clerk > at one of their stores this winter and I can tell you > the smell of blood is in the water. > > What is having just as big an impact as piracy is the > super stores. Walmart, Sams, Best Buy etc. are all > carrying CDs in increasingly large numbers at very > attractice prices but they, for the most part, will > only carry the popular commercial stuff.I don't have > as much of a beef with internet sales. To me that's > justifiable and often the only recourse someone might > have. > > The sales of pop music is what allows a lot of record > stores to be able to carry the independent and small > market CDs. Selling 100 CDs a week by Brittany Spears > will let you stock hundreds of various artists that do > not have that kind of turnover. This is being siphoned > off by the super stores and causing a real cash flow > problem for the independents. CD sales by record > stores are down 6-7% the last quarter while they are > up about 10% for the super stores. > > I worked in the book for years and it happened to them > first and I see the same pattern re-occuring in the > record industry. Even Tower Records is in danger at > this point. While it is a multi-national chain they do > run philosophically like an independent in many ways. > There's a chance they will go into Chapter 11 this > year and if they close the biggest repurcussion will > be in Classical & Jazz music, at least half of the > independent classical labels will go out of business > immediatly since Tower is the only place that will > stock their stuff. > > Sorry this is turning into a bit of a rant but I > wanted to justify this point - Whenever you have the > choice - Buy from an independent record store! It may > cost you a buck or two more than Best Buy or Amazon > but the super store's business is selling 'product' > not music. When something comes along with better > margin the CDs will diminish but the damage will be > already done and the independents will be gone. > > I suppose the net is a safety net of sorts but I'm a > browser and the net is fine if you know what you want. > You can find new stuff on the net but, in my opinion, > nothing beats going through the bins of a good > independent. > > As for the store employees- they don't get paid a lot. > Many are young and in school and the turnover is high. > I'd also like to state that I don't know anyone who > owns an independent book or record store who ever got > rich off of it. Most of them got into it because they > love what they do. > > Sorry for the increasingly off-topic rant. I'll gladly > carry on the rant off-line if anyone is interested. > This bears repeating though - Buy independent! To > quote a famous song for you old hippies - 'You don't > know what you've got till it's gone.' > > --- koulos wrote: > > > > If I want to know whether, say, the store has > > Underwater Sunlight or Murray > > Perahia's version of the Goldberg Variations in > > stock, I expect more than a > > blank stare and a 'Who?' or 'What?' in reply. > > > > > > well as far as it concerns music stores in greece we > > have all the types of employes [those you knows > > nothing , those who knows of EM , those who knows > > where to send you, and those who owns the store and > > can make sujestions [small shops thought] > > > > the most often in huge shops [well the big ones] is > > to go to one clerk and ask him with a list in hand > > wrtitten the name /title of the disk > > > > then he will go to the pc connected to the database > > and tell you whether they have it , if the specific > > cd is imported in greece by their suplier and so on. > > > > > > as far as the gengre thing i 've seen TD under new > > age, or in the same floor as JAZZ ,OST , CLassic is. > > [never in the promotional position thought!!- that > > is in the places that your eyes will go when moving > > around a store] > > > > anyway enough from me for now > > > > all the best > > > > kostas koulos > > Î'ημÏOÏfιεÏ, και Î'ιεθνείÏ, > > ÏfÏ?έÏfειÏ, > > ΠολιÏ'ιÏfÏ'ική ομάδα 'Ράδιο > > Î'αία' > > mailto:koulos@s... > > http://radiogaia.aua.gr > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > ===== > > DanD - aka DJAmbient > > www.dtbits.com > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > http://games.yahoo.com/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33533 Re: Record Store employees Dan Downey Wed 4/24/2002 7 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 1:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Haslinger bargain CD Lucky you. I bought it from a shop in Sydney a couple of years ago-- and paid A$34.98! It's certainly a fascinating album and vastly different from, say, 'Future Primitive'. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Dan Downey' To: Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 5:16 AM Subject: [tadream] Haslinger bargain CD > Stumbled upon a good deal at http://www.soleilmoon.com > on a Paul Haslinger CD. This is a pretty interesting > label/distributor. > > ARTIST: COMA VIRUS > TITLE: Hidden > LABEL: SIDE EFFECTS > DESCRIPTION: New project by former Tangerine Dream > member Paul Haslinger, with assistance from Thomas > Dimuzio and Loren Nerell. Haslinger is also > collaborating with Brian Williams on a new Lustmord > album, to be released late in 1997. > ITEM NUMBER: 04123 FORMAT: CD PRICE: $5.00 > > > ===== > > DanD - aka DJAmbient > > www.dtbits.com > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > http://games.yahoo.com/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Dan Downey Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 1:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees --- John Marchington wrote: > Dan, I think you're being a little harsh on > Internet-based CD stores but I > agree entirely with the rest of your argument. I'm not down on Internet-based CD stores per se, I purchase easily half my CDs on line from indie on-line companies and directly from the label. Mostly this is stuff that even the good indie stores wouldn't carry either (I always check first though). > > Talking about Tower Records reminds me that I > received an e-mail message by > mistake from someone associated with the American > Record Guide. The news? > That Tower was virtually bankrupt. That seems to > back up your comments about > the company. Tower has been sort of subsidised for the past year by various record companies to ensure they made it through the crucial Christmas period. This has been done with nice terms and delayed 365 day billing. This May is the reckoning date for them and if they don't survive it then it will have an enormous ripple effect throughout the industry. Despite their global aspirations they are the only big chain to devote significant space to classical. For a time, in their larger stores, they carried every classical release issued. That takes some comittment. If only they did the same for TD and other EM! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Dan Downey' > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:29 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Store employees > > > > Here's a subject I can rant about with some > authority > > but from a different angle. I'm generalizin here > but I > > would have to agree that the super stores are very > > guilty of just employing warm bodies and should > > certainly not to be considered professionals. > > > > This is usually not true of the good independent > > record stores. Usually they are owner operated > with > > knowledgable staff - maybe not an authority in all > > genres but they'll usually care enough to talk and > > investigate for you. > > > > Sadly these independents are going out of business > > with increasing frequency and many, no matter how > good > > a store, will continue to close. The record stores > are > > the unfortunate victims of CD copying (as well as > > other pressures). They don't set the prices yet > they > > take all the risk in stocking the merchandise. > > > > The strong independent in my area, Newbury Comics, > is > > the cutting edge group of record stores, always at > the > > vangaurd but they are being forced to diversify > their > > stock into used CDs, action figures, toys and > other > > junk to survive. This just cuts into the space and > > attention they can devote to CDs and music. As a > break > > from my mundane day job I did a stint as a lowly > clerk > > at one of their stores this winter and I can tell > you > > the smell of blood is in the water. > > > > What is having just as big an impact as piracy is > the > > super stores. Walmart, Sams, Best Buy etc. are all > > carrying CDs in increasingly large numbers at very > > attractice prices but they, for the most part, > will > > only carry the popular commercial stuff.I don't > have > > as much of a beef with internet sales. To me > that's > > justifiable and often the only recourse someone > might > > have. > > > > The sales of pop music is what allows a lot of > record > > stores to be able to carry the independent and > small > > market CDs. Selling 100 CDs a week by Brittany > Spears > > will let you stock hundreds of various artists > that do > > not have that kind of turnover. This is being > siphoned > > off by the super stores and causing a real cash > flow > > problem for the independents. CD sales by record > > stores are down 6-7% the last quarter while they > are > > up about 10% for the super stores. > > > > I worked in the book for years and it happened to > them > > first and I see the same pattern re-occuring in > the > > record industry. Even Tower Records is in danger > at > > this point. While it is a multi-national chain > they do > > run philosophically like an independent in many > ways. > > There's a chance they will go into Chapter 11 this > > year and if they close the biggest repurcussion > will > > be in Classical & Jazz music, at least half of the > > independent classical labels will go out of > business > > immediatly since Tower is the only place that will > > stock their stuff. > > > > Sorry this is turning into a bit of a rant but I > > wanted to justify this point - Whenever you have > the > > choice - Buy from an independent record store! It > may > > cost you a buck or two more than Best Buy or > Amazon > > but the super store's business is selling > 'product' > > not music. When something comes along with better > > margin the CDs will diminish but the damage will > be > > already done and the independents will be gone. > > > > I suppose the net is a safety net of sorts but I'm > a > > browser and the net is fine if you know what you > want. > > You can find new stuff on the net but, in my > opinion, > > nothing beats going through the bins of a good > > independent. > > > > As for the store employees- they don't get paid a > lot. > > Many are young and in school and the turnover is > high. > > I'd also like to state that I don't know anyone > who > > owns an independent book or record store who ever > got > > rich off of it. Most of them got into it because > they > > love what they do. > > > === message truncated === ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.dtbits.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From: 'duncan mckee' Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 8:22 am Subject: wanted hi all i have updated my wants list on my site, please have a look. if anyone can help me out with these i will be very gratefull. looking forward to the next tree. thanks Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk ICQ 41739379 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Kevin Keller Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 4:30 pm Subject: Kevin Keller Trio LIVE on KPFA 4.25.02 Dear Space Music Fans, The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing live on KPFA (94.1 FM in Berkeley/San Francisco) on Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm (Pacific Time), as a preview of their upcoming concert at Chabot Space & Science Center. They will be playing music from their new CD 'Across the Sky', and giving away a pair of tickets to one lucky listener. Tune your radio to KPFA on April 25 at 10 pm (Pacific Time), or listen to the live internet stream at http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra (Note: You need Real Player to hear this stream. Other streaming choices are available at www.kpfa.org) Tickets for the Chabot planetarium concert are selling fast, and advance tickets are strongly recommended. More info below. **** Kevin Keller Trio Live at Chabot Planetarium, Oakland, CA Friday, April 26 at 8 PM Advance tickets now on sale at http://www.kevinkeller.com From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 4:26 pm Subject: okee dokee? so anyone gonna give us an okee report? From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 5:06 pm Subject: FW: [Kevin_Keller_News] Kevin Keller Trio LIVE on KPFA 4.25.02 FYI: Dear Space Music Fans, The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing live on KPFA (94.1 FM in Berkeley/San Francisco) on Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm (Pacific Time), as a preview of their upcoming concert at Chabot Space & Science Center. They will be playing music from their new CD 'Across the Sky', and giving away a pair of tickets to one lucky listener. Tune your radio to KPFA on April 25 at 10 pm (Pacific Time), or listen to the live internet stream at http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra (Note: You need Real Player to hear this stream. Other streaming choices are available at www.kpfa.org) Tickets for the Chabot planetarium concert are selling fast, and advance tickets are strongly recommended. More info below. **** Kevin Keller Trio Live at Chabot Planetarium, Oakland, CA Friday, April 26 at 8 PM Advance tickets now on sale at http://www.kevinkeller.com From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 5:05 pm Subject: Chat >Paul Fellows said: >I'm there at the moment, it's Friday evening here in cold and rainy (at the >moment) France, there's nothing on telly & I've got a bit of time on my >hands... > >Damn this time difference, there's no-one there! It could be that a few of the principals of the chat were at a certain swamp? :) However we will be making an appearance THIS Friday. More details to come. -Morgan From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 5:22 pm Subject: Oke >From: Joe Shoults >so anyone gonna give us an okee report? Jeez man, it's only been 12 hours since I got home. Incredible time, incredible memories. 9-10 hours were played all-told, guess it will come out on a spindle! Hopefully a nice 2-3 CD of the best will come out. -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Joe Shoults Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 6:49 pm Subject: get while the gettin's good Dale's server is back up. if you already received the FTP address but haven't completed your downloads, now is a good time to jump on. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33696 Dreamwatcher's Tale II Review j.gordon Fri 5/3/2002 7 KB From: 'fozziebear' Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 7:20 pm Subject: Record Stores There are times when I've been to the Virgin Megastore in London looking for TD and other artists and they don't have that much, particlularly not their own label. HMV had more. So I am happy to use internet, ebay or Borders when in US. But buying stuff that has to be posted from US costs too much. Its a shame the postage rates aren't lower. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33546 Re: Record Stores PENFOLD Wed 4/24/2002 3 KB 33547 Re: Record Stores Admin Thu 4/25/2002 4 KB 33555 Re: Record Stores - UK interest braddito Thu 4/25/2002 2 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 8:39 pm Subject: [legend dvd] Legend DVD (thought it was due out this week--so did an amazon search and found....) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000063UR2/qid=1019680245/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2\ _1/104-4594589-1559103 Edition Details: • Region 1 encoding (US and Canada only) • Color, Closed-captioned, Widescreen, Dolby, DTS Surround Sound • Commentary by Ridley Scott • Director's cut, restored version with Jerry Goldsmith's score • Original U.S. theatrical version with Tangerine Dream score • Creating a Myth: The Making of Legend • Storyboards • The Fairy Dance, music and storyboards depicting the lost scene • Original screenplay • Isolated music score by Tangerine Dream • Music video - 'Is Your Love Strong Enough' by Bryan Ferry • Widescreen anamorphic format • Number of discs: 2 Technical Information Release Information: Studio: Umvd Theatrical Release Date: January 16, 1986 DVD Release Date: May 21, 2002 Run Time: 114 minutes Production Company: Universal Studios Package Type: Keep Case Aspect Ratio(s): Widescreen anamorphic - 2.35:1 Discographic Information: DVD Encoding: Region 1 Layers: Dual Available Audio Tracks: English (DTS), English (Dolby Digital 5.1) Collector's Edition Director's Cut • ASIN: B000063UR2 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 9:47 pm Subject: My Okefenokee Report (very long) Hi Everyone! I returned home last night, but I treated myself to one more day off from work to recuperate, and to get my report out before I forgot it. I went straight to work the next morning the last two years, and that was really hard. I must say right here that the gatherings just keep getting better every year. I wonder if there's ever a time when you just can't get any better? Anyway, here we go. Hopefully, I'll remember everything and I can write it in an interesting manner. Thursday, April 18: I get up a bit before 4 AM to catch a Super Shuttle to the airport for my 8 AM flight (allowing 2 hours at the airport). There's a ridiculously long line at the check in counter, but I think I only spent about 20 minutes before checking my luggage. There was an older fellow in line that actually fainted, and while you'd think it was because he was waiting in line too long, it was actually that he didn't have any breakfast. I had a bowl of Grapenuts before leaving, so I was okay for now. I was quite surprised that I didn't have to open any of my luggage for them, and that the trip through the security checkpoint was quite fast. I guess they've had the time to refine the process and not make it so difficult. I check the magazine store to see if they sell Animerica or something like that, but nope. So I go to a food shop and have my 2nd breakfast (in true Hobbit-fashion :-) ) of a muffin and orange juice. I get to the gate just in time to see the luggage get to the plane, and my unmistakable keyboard case on top of one of the luggage cars. I carefully watch them load my stuff, and they actually seemed to be careful about it. Soon we're on the fully-booked plane and in the air. I pop in a minidisc and sit back to read the Silmarillion (my second attempt). The flight was pretty fast and uneventful, and I had my 3rd breakfast on board. We got there about 15 minutes early (shocking!). After landing in Atlanta, I take the train to the baggage claim. I like riding in this train, I guess since we have nothing like it in Phoenix, not even for mass transit. We definitely need a good train system here. I'd rather take that to work than drive. I'm walking to the carousels and kinda looking for Morgan at the same time, as we're supposed to meet here. I must be a terrible searcher, because he manages to sneak up right beside me without me knowing it. And he's really tall too! Morgan and I go to the piazza and wait for Steve (Whiteley) who's plane is supposed to arrive in about another hour. We chat for a while and Steve shows up. We go get the rental car and get to Vic's. Unfortunately, my memory's fuzzy at this point. We had a lot of people come in and whatnot and I found it a bit overwhelming. Of course, there's some familiar faces from previous years, and some new ones, but I don't remember everyone I met then. I think Marion (Horrod) and her husband Dave were already there. I know Tom (George) was there with Deb and her husband Roger. Pete and John (from AirSculpture) got there at some point also. Carlo (Ruggiero) and Jim (Moore) came at some point as well and I think we met Bill (Fox) and Greg (Waltzer) at some point there. Oh yeah, and of course we got to meet Steve Schroyder and Jens Zygar (a.k.a. Star Sounds Orchestra) that evening. We watched some crappy boot DVD's of TD as well that night. After getting some Papa John's pizza (my favorite for quick take-out), we hung out a bit and then called it a night. Friday, April 19: I woke up in the middle of the night a couple of times to hear the cat crying to get out or (I presume) the cat jumping on me, but finally woke up when the doorbell rang. It was Patrick (Hill) at the door. We got breakfast and showers and such done fairly quickly, and were on our way. Luckily, the P.A. was rented yesterday, so we didn't have to spend time taking care of that today. We broke off into two four-car caravans, one was carrying most of the musicians (except for myself) and the gear, and the other one was to do the grocery shopping. We stopped to get alcohol and a battery charger for Dave H.'s camera (but they didn't have one) before we left Atlanta. Morgan and Steve opted to stick with me in my car. There's not much here to report, just the long drive southward. We decided to do the grocery shopping in Valdosta, and even though Tom and I had been there before, we did some serious wandering around before asking where the damn store was. We got to the Winn-Dixie store and raided the place. Steve W. was generous enough to let us put it on his check card and pay him back for it. We ended up getting more food than we needed, but I guess it wasn't as bad as last year. As we're checking out the carts of food, we see Vic and crew from the other caravan come into the store! What timing! We load all the food up and head out. We didn't wait for the other caravan though, but maybe we were supposed to?? Oh well. As usual, on the last stretch to the swamp, I plop in the minidisc with Cyclone and we jam to that coming into the park. We pull into the neighborhood of cottages, and I spot Lars Jones right away. I park the car, and we meet all the people that are already here. There was Lars and his sons, Roger (Smith), Dell, Robert, Jerry and Howard. I hope I didn't forget anyone. I park the car, and we unload stuff. We decide to cram all the musicians' equipment into Cottage #3, given its historical significance. I think we had a jam session later on, but I don't remember. Again memory is a bit fuzzy with adding even more faces and names to the group! I end up taking a bed in cottage #1, and Pete rooms with me. I guess I wasn't a bad roommate for him last year. :-) Saturday, April 20: I get up not too early or too late today. I think we had the roundhouse introductions this morning for everyone. That was really cool to hear everyone's introductions. Then, Steve W. and I take a canoe out on the water. That was a lot of fun. I actually enjoyed it more than going on the motorboats. Even though I've been here the previous 2 years, I never tried canoeing. It's great with how quiet it is, and you don't breath in gasoline fumes, and you get good exercise too! We spent about 4 hours on the water before getting back for dinner and the festivities. I had the opportunity to chat with Steve S. for a little while on the porch before dinner, and he even had me sign a copy of Okefenokee 2001 for him! That was quite a surprise for me! And I must admit I hadn't gotten around to buying any SSO CD's yet. I think this was the evening that Jens was going around and filming various people with his camera, interviewing them and whatnot. I got to be one of the subjects as well, and that was a lot of fun, with Jens walking all around me while I was talking. We had a huge grab bag for the games this year. I think they said we had exactly 100 items in there! I contributed several copies of a 3' CDR that has some TD piano pieces performed by yours truly, and three copies of my full-length CDR 'Phase Shift'. Heheh, the organizers of the games learned after last year that perhaps Jim and I are a little too good for the 'name that TD tune' contest. :-) Roger made us both sit out of the whole first round which was from studio and live albums. Then, when the soundtrack round came up, Roger made it so that we'd have to name the movie and the song title (everyone else just had to name the movie). Also, he limited us to three wins. Jim used his three wins quickly, and I used only two. Jens was one of the 'lucky' people to grab one of my Phase Shift CDR's, so hopefully, I'll hear what he thinks of it someday. I was quite surprised to find that people were trying really hard to get copies of my piano solo disc as well. I'm glad people wanted to hear it! We had another jam session that night, and afterwards, more chatting with everyone. It was really neat getting to talk with Jens and Steve, as they had much to talk about and share with us. At some point in the evening (or maybe it was last night? I don't remember :-/ ), some of us took a walk over to the canal leading from the boat dock to the open water, and we were treated with an alligator face-off. Some of us spotted one going out into the canal from the dock area, and then another one coming head-on to the first one. It was great to see them jump up and thrash briefly at their encounter of each other. Sunday, April 21: Today, we learn about what we're going to do for the musical performance tonight. It's going to be a first for most of us. We're going to make a Planetary Ambience performance, in true SSO fashion. It's very fascinating stuff, and Steve and Jens taught us all about the concept. We started by looking at the star chart for the evening, to see what the positions are of the planets in the sky, and then that will dictate the movements of the music. Each planet will have a movement, and given the data about the planetary motion, we get the information we need as to the key, tempo, keyboard tuning, length and overall feel for that movement. As each planet sets in the sky, we begin a new movement for the next planet to set. Jens and Steve showed us the book 'The Cosmic Octave' by Cousto that this comes from. I spent pretty much the entire day learning about the Planetary Ambience, and getting ready for it picking the sounds and effects I was going to use. I also took a nap in the afternoon, as I was feeling a bit fatigued. The music is to start at sundown, which is about 8 PM. Given the astronomical information for this evening, we end up performing movements for the Earth, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Saturn and Jupiter, and it lasts for nearly 5 1/2 hours! I was given the responsibility for the melodic content of the movements, and also being the driver of the Jupiter movement. I wished I hadn't drank so much water earlier, cuz I ended up having to go to the bathroom twice during the session. Given that most of us didn't have any experience with making music like this, there were some difficulties in spots, but there were some parts that worked really well IMO, especially Venus and Jupiter. For that last movement, I was playing piano, and somehow I was able to do some pretty good stuff on the piano throughout the nearly two-hour movement! It was quite a challenge, but everyone seemed to really enjoy it. After it was finished, I was exhausted, but elated. This was a wonderful new musical experience for me, and I always welcome the opportunity to expand my horizons. Actually, every Okefenokee trip has been a new musical experience for me! Well, I don't remember hanging out for too long after that before going to bed, so maybe I'll just leave it at that... Monday, April 22: I got up kinda late this morning. I think it was almost 10. And we were going to have a group meeting at 11! I get up and take a shower, and have a bowl of cereal just before the meeting. It's mostly to say some good-byes (some of us were leaving this morning), to take the group photos, buy some CD's, and to have an autograph session for anyone who didn't get all the signatures they wanted. Heh, between both of the Okefenokee CD's, and the discs I brought for the grab bag, I think I had to sign my name more times than when I bought my house! :-) Not that I didn't enjoy it, it was really my pleasure. I must admit at this point that it has taken me some time to believe that maybe I am a decent musician after all and can make music that's true to myself that other people would also enjoy. This trip has helped me to really begin to see that, and I thank everyone for it. Okay, I'm done with gushing. I took the opportunity to buy some CD's from Jens, so that I can finally check out what SSO is about. I had never heard Psychedelic Trance music before, but picked up SSO's newest called Ooz. Jens was also very generous and gave me a copy of the Spirit Zone trance compilation set, and a booklet explaining the history of the trance scene. I also bought a copy of the Liquid Sound CD, which is an ambient collection that is supposed to be good for listening to underwater, and an unreleased SSO soundtrack (those got snatched up fast!). I think I'm going to have to track down some earlier SSO CD's as well like Kosmophonon and Planets for a more ambient side to their music. I took a little walk later on with Pete through the nature trail by the boat dock. That was a nice little walk, and Pete didn't go on it last year. We got back and chilled out for a while in the porch of cottage #4 with Marion and Greg. I put the Liquid Sound disc in the player quietly and relaxed for a bit. Most of the rest of us went out on the water this afternoon to take the last opportunity to do so. As people started coming back, the first round of dinner was started. We had hamburgers, and I was very happy that there were also some turkey burgers made for me. I made sure to thank the crew for that. Next came yet another real treat. We moved Steve and Jens' gear down to the picnic area for our very own SSO psychedelic trance dance performance. It was great! Robert and I went back to the cottages to grab stuff to drink, as Jens said it was important to have a bar near the dance floor. We grabbed all non-alcoholic stuff of course. It took me a couple of songs to really start loosening up (I'm not a good dancer), but I really liked the music. I was glad to find out that a couple of my favorite tracks were on Ooz. I went to techno clubs back when I was in college, and I didn't like that music very much. I guess trance has something else to it that I seem to connect more with (or maybe I just got tired of hearing that same damn 'Staying Alive' remix a few too many times at the techno clubs!). It was great dancing in the open air location, and seeing Steve dancing behind his rig, and Jens jamming on his HandSonic. When Roger S. went over to the swings and started swinging with the music, I just about fell over! It was so surreal seeing how well the swinging seemed to go with the trance music. Other people started joining him, and at one point, Steve ran over and swung for a while. A few of us (including myself) got that on film. I think everyone should have dance parties outside, as long as the weather is good. Parks and playgrounds seem like a great place for them! It's definitely easier to hear the music outside as well, and it's not nearly as deafening. It's just too bad that the neighbors probably wouldn't care for it. :-( The music ended right around dusk (the show concluded with a great new track called 'Red Sun Tokyo' which should be on SSO's next CD). We went on evening cruises (broken into two groups) right afterwards. It was great! We got to spot lots of gators in the fading twilight using powerful flashlights. After we get back, we have the second dinner, and later on we're besieged by animals! There was a pair of foxes and a raccoon hanging around behind the cottages most of the days, and they discovered a bag of trash that someone left out. Carlo and I take care of it, and I learn first-hand that people must be feeding these animals. I crouch down and stick my hand out like I have food, and the raccoon comes running up at me! Dammit people, we can't be doing that! That harms the animals in so many ways! But I did take advantage of that in getting a picture of the 'coon. But he ran up to me so fast, that he may have been too close by the time I was able to snap the camera. We chatted a bunch more this evening, and said some good-byes as some of us had to leave very early the next morning. I'm glad I picked a later flight out this time. Tuesday, April 23: Pete and I get up at around 8 AM. Jens and Steve are gone already (with Vic and his son Patrick), as their flight leaves about 4 PM, and I think they wanted to buy some things before leaving. I was in charge of making sure that Cottage #1 was straightened up and get the key turned in. Luckily, we kept this one fairly clean, so I helped out a bit at the other cottages. I didn't get a chance to say goodbye to everyone, but I did to everyone that was left later in the morning. After all our farewells were done, Morgan, Steve W., Carlo and I pile in my car with our stuff and head back to Atlanta. Everyone except Steve has a flight out tonight around 7 and 8 PM. We listen to audience recordings that Steve made of the Planetary Ambience and Trance show with his minidisc. They sounded quite good, since he bought some decent microphones. We get to the airport and check in. I think every time I've checked in at Atlanta, I'm asked if that case has a gun in it, whereas in Phoenix, they recognize it as at least some kind of musical instrument. Go figure! Anyway, Steve was able to switch his flight to tonight, and we hang out together at the piazza for a while before we part company. After we have another round of farewells, I walk toward the train to go to my gate. I actually have a bit of heartache that hits me at this point, as it's obvious the event is over. It was another wonderful experience to add to my life memories, and I hope to meet most everyone (if not everyone) at next year's gathering. I get to my gate and the plane takes off pretty much on time. After we're airborne, I go for my minidiscs to listen to a particular one. It's not there! Waitaminute! Half of my minidiscs are missing! What the hell?! I don't know what happened. Maybe they fell out in the rental car and all managed to hide under the seat. I lost about ten of them, so I would think I'd notice one of them sticking out or something. Oh well, that's one of the reasons why I'd rather travel with minidisc copies instead of my original CD's. Hopefully, the person who finds them will enjoy them. I was still able to listen to Poland, the Paris 86 show, and most of Thief on the plane. I read the trance booklet Jens gave me, and dozed off a bit. It was hard to sleep with the way the lady sitting next to me was reacting to The Count of Monte Cristo and the episode of Frasier they were showing on the flight. But oh well... The rest of the trip is just getting back to Phoenix, getting my stuff, and having my dad pick me up and take me to my house. But I won't bother with mentioning it. Oh, actually, I guess I just did! :-) Well, that's pretty much it for me this year. I think this may be the longest Oke report I've given yet. It was wonderful getting to meet everyone again this year, and meeting the new people this year. It was also wonderful that Steve and Jens were both able to come on short notice, and that they apparently really enjoyed themselves. They are a couple of really nice guys, and I enjoyed jamming with them, and dancing to their music. I just want to thank everyone for their part of making this wonderful event so wonderful, and Vic for organizing the whole friggin thing. I don't think I'd be able to do such a thing like that. Next year, we're planning on having it out in the southwest area, which is much closer to where I live. If it is possible for me, I will bring my drumset for the next gathering, that way we can have some acoustic drums to add to the electronic instruments. And hopefully, there's some people that will be able to join us on this side of the country that couldn't before. I am looking forward to the next one, definitely! Thank you for reading this far. I hope you enjoyed my account. Sincerely, Dave B. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33586 My Okefenokee Report (very long) Deb H-J Fri 4/26/2002 3 KB From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 10:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tree naming >From: 'Owens, James' >I have this recurring fantasy about buying a yacht and cruising down the >Tennessee river listing to classic TD Well, if you're going to be listing, you would have to be in a sailboat rather than a yacht, lol. By the way, I have been down the Inland Waterway on a sailboat listening to TD music, don't remember which one, but it did seem like a very special, pleasurable moment in time. Maybe one year, the Ricochet Gathering will consider taking houseboats up/down the Tenn-Tom!! 8-) Dell All IMO of course. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From: 'Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media' Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 9:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Franke in Norwegian commercial ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Olav Neander' > I just found that Christopher Franke's 'Silence Of The Eclipse' is the > music in the TV commercial for the Norwegian mineral water 'Farris'! Olav, which Farris commercial is that? Dont they always use the same tune as before, in new versions? You know the tune I mean :-) Glenn From: PENFOLD Date: Wed Apr 24, 2002 11:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Stores I used to go to a local Independent Record Store in Uptown Whittier to get my TD.....unfortunately the only TD you'll find there now is in the Previously Listened bin I asked the owner about this and he replied that he had to stop stocking TD because it doesn't move as fast as other merchandise and he can't afford to have copies just sitting there. Although I *can* special order TD and get 10% off As for my retail TD buying (when I do go looking in the store), it's usually Tower or Best Buy The last few times I've bought TD, I've gone e-shopping at CDNOW.....what I like about CDNOW is the ability to pre-order stuph so you can snarf a copy as soon as it releases. I got DM3 delivered to my mailbox 2 days *before* it 'officially' hit the shelves! Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the $$.....Damn!!!!! 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven Feldman Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html From: 'Admin' Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 1:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Stores excellent way to do it dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'PENFOLD' To: Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Record Stores > I used to go to a local Independent Record Store in Uptown > Whittier to get my TD.....unfortunately the only TD you'll find there now > is in the Previously Listened bin > I asked the owner about this and he replied that he had to stop > stocking TD because it doesn't move as fast as other merchandise and he > can't afford to have copies just sitting there. > Although I *can* special order TD and get 10% off > > As for my retail TD buying (when I do go looking in the store), > it's usually Tower or Best Buy > The last few times I've bought TD, I've gone e-shopping at > CDNOW.....what I like about CDNOW is the ability to pre-order stuph so you > can snarf a copy as soon as it releases. I got DM3 delivered to my mailbox > 2 days *before* it 'officially' hit the shelves! > > > > Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° > mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead > http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html > Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 > 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the > $$.....Damn!!!!! > 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven > Feldman > > Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from their new CD 'Across the Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT. > Tune in to the live internet stream at > http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra > (more info at http://www.kpfa.org) > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'James Horecka, AIA' Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 2:07 am Subject: Record stores ***attn Peter Isaacson*** Peter, I note that you are near Whittier, which I assume means Whittier in Southern California. There is a place called 'Super Collector' that stocks some cool Tangerine Dream stuff. Along with a whole slew of soundtrack music, mostly TV show sound tracks and sci-fi sound tracks. It's a sci-fi / horror / anime collector shop, with lots of collectable toys, posters, museum-type stuff, you name it. Their soundtrack collection is outstanding, really. Touted as among the largest in the world. I've been there several times (it's about 90 miles away from me), and found plenty of nifty Tangerine Dream CDs. I'm sure you can find all the same on line, no doubt. But it's always fun to browse in person, eh? Anyway, if you make it out there, let me know what you think. The store is not far from 'Mile Square Park.' Try: www.supercollector.com Here is the address: Super Collector 9862 Chapman Ave. Garden Grove, CA, 92841 800-997-2434 714-636-8700 714-636-8585 Fax I personally think it's worth a trip. Weird place. Lotsa CDs. Some Tangerine Dream. By the way, I really like your CD garden page. I think I'll start a 'tree' of my own. James Horecka, AIA, Architect jhorecka@p... http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33549 Re: Record stores ***attn Peter Isaacson*** Admin Thu 4/25/2002 4 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 2:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Record stores ***attn Peter Isaacson*** affectionately called garbage grove... ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'James Horecka, AIA' To: Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 7:07 PM Subject: [tadream] Record stores ***attn Peter Isaacson*** > Peter, > > I note that you are near Whittier, which I assume means Whittier in Southern > California. > > There is a place called 'Super Collector' that stocks some cool Tangerine > Dream stuff. Along with a whole slew of soundtrack music, mostly TV show > sound tracks and sci-fi sound tracks. It's a sci-fi / horror / anime > collector shop, with lots of collectable toys, posters, museum-type stuff, > you name it. Their soundtrack collection is outstanding, really. Touted as > among the largest in the world. > > I've been there several times (it's about 90 miles away from me), and found > plenty of nifty Tangerine Dream CDs. > > I'm sure you can find all the same on line, no doubt. But it's always fun to > browse in person, eh? > > Anyway, if you make it out there, let me know what you think. > > The store is not far from 'Mile Square Park.' > > Try: www.supercollector.com > > Here is the address: > > Super Collector > 9862 Chapman Ave. > Garden Grove, CA, 92841 > > 800-997-2434 > 714-636-8700 > 714-636-8585 Fax > > I personally think it's worth a trip. Weird place. Lotsa CDs. Some Tangerine > Dream. > > By the way, I really like your CD garden page. I think I'll start a 'tree' > of my own. > > James Horecka, AIA, Architect > jhorecka@p... http://www.pe.net/~jhorecka > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from their new CD 'Across the Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT. > Tune in to the live internet stream at > http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra > (more info at http://www.kpfa.org) > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Miles MacMillan' Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 6:44 am Subject: OT: Soundcard advice etc. Hi folks, Sorry for being off-topic, but I know there are plenty of recording musicians out there who might be qualified to give me some technical advice. I am in the market for buying a new computer, with the hopes of using it to make multi-track recordings of original songs using my Yamaha DX-7 synth (which I am told limits me somewhat) and my electric bass as well as acoustic guitar. I would like to know what type of soundcard I will need, what software, what specs my computer will have to have etc. I have to budget to a certain degree, so I hope I don't need to purchase anything that is out of this world if you know what I mean. Any help offlist would be appreciated. Thank you. Miles MacMillan np Tangerine Tree Volume 5 disc 1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 4:15 am Subject: Computer for multi-track recording Well, you said off-list, but I'm sure there are a lot of people buying computers left and right and if I can save even one person from the Compaq/HP nightmare, it's worth going off-topic here. Believe it or not, sound does not require a lot of CPU power except when you are doing filters and equalization and reverb and need to 'render' the effects to the file. Then it slogs the data around and performs a lot of math performing all those operations. Otherwise, it's hard drive speed that's the kicker. Your best bet these days, except for laptops (then go Dell or Sony!!), is to build your own computer or have a store build it. The days of jumpers, dip switches, and connectors running any and everywhere are over. Modern motherboards have all the printer, USB, etc. connectors in a cluster bolted to the motherboard. The motherboards now figure out what processor and memory you have without being told. You could realistically go from the ground up on a PC for $1,100 and be thoroughly satisfied. I'm thinking a 1200 MHz AMD Athlon (forget Intel) and fan nice motherboard (Soyo, ECS) 512 MB RAM ATX case + power supply floppy 7200RPM 60GB ATA100 IBM Deskstar hard drive GeForce 2 MX400 video card keyboard mouse 17' display 12x Plextor CD Recorder/Rewriter As for the sound card, I will have to leave that up to others, but obviously steer clear of any Creative Labs like Sound Blaster, especially that PoS Audigy. Turtle Beach is about the lowest consumer-level card around, but doesn't have 5 inputs. Best of luck! Oh, and put Windows 2000. Not 95, not 98, not ME, and not XP! Stable OS with no bloat. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33552 Re: Computer for multi-track recording Admin Thu 4/25/2002 5 KB 33557 Re: Computer for multi-track recording Dan Downey Thu 4/25/2002 5 KB From: 'Admin' Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 4:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Computer for multi-track recording I steer clear of AMD... I bet we can talk about that for a decade. Toshiba laptop. Screw compaq, hp, dell. Sony isn't that bad but they have some quirks. I now do the MOTU thing for a sound card and I am very happy. Everything else looks fine, the 512 meg ram is a bit high but if you can afford it? If you really want to blaze a HD, go back to SCSI. Use the ide to store your OS and software on, use teh SCSI to record to. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:15 PM Subject: [tadream] Computer for multi-track recording > Well, you said off-list, but I'm sure there are a lot of people buying > computers left and right and if I can save even one person from the > Compaq/HP nightmare, it's worth going off-topic here. > > Believe it or not, sound does not require a lot of CPU power except when > you are doing filters and equalization and reverb and need to 'render' the > effects to the file. Then it slogs the data around and performs a lot of > math performing all those operations. Otherwise, it's hard drive speed > that's the kicker. > > > Your best bet these days, except for laptops (then go Dell or Sony!!), is > to build your own computer or have a store build it. > > The days of jumpers, dip switches, and connectors running any and > everywhere are over. > > Modern motherboards have all the printer, USB, etc. connectors in a cluster > bolted to the motherboard. The motherboards now figure out what processor > and memory you have without being told. > > > You could realistically go from the ground up on a PC for $1,100 and be > thoroughly satisfied. > > I'm thinking a > 1200 MHz AMD Athlon (forget Intel) and fan > nice motherboard (Soyo, ECS) > 512 MB RAM > ATX case + power supply > floppy > 7200RPM 60GB ATA100 IBM Deskstar hard drive > GeForce 2 MX400 video card > keyboard > mouse > 17' display > 12x Plextor CD Recorder/Rewriter > > As for the sound card, I will have to leave that up to others, but > obviously steer clear of any Creative Labs like Sound Blaster, especially > that PoS Audigy. Turtle Beach is about the lowest consumer-level card > around, but doesn't have 5 inputs. > > Best of luck! > > Oh, and put Windows 2000. Not 95, not 98, not ME, and not XP! Stable OS > with no bloat. > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from their new CD 'Across the Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT. > Tune in to the live internet stream at > http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra > (more info at http://www.kpfa.org) > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 6:09 am Subject: The Classic Chillout Album Hi All, Just thought everyone would like to know about a CD I purchased today titled The Classic Chillout Album.This is a compilation CD that has Love on a Real Train.It is the version that appears on the Tangents Box Set.There are also some other interesting artists on it including Moby,Delerium,Craig Armstrong among others. Rick From: Olav Neander Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 6:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Franke in Norwegian commercial Glenn Folkvord - Hyperion Media wrote: >Olav, which Farris commercial is that? Dont they always use the same tune as >before, in new versions? You know the tune I mean :-) > I'm not sure, maybe it's the same tune as in the 'verdens beste maskineri...' commercials, I'm not so updated... I discovered the Franke tune in the one with the guy relaxing in a cafe, with the blue bottle on the table. Olav -- Electronic Dreamscapes from Norway - http://www.mp3.com/autopoiesis - ICQ# 9622825 From: 'braddito' Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 8:21 am Subject: Re: Record Stores - UK interest The main releases are available at better prices at www.timelapse-records.co.uk Toby --- In tadream@y..., 'fozziebear' wrote: > There are times when I've been to the Virgin Megastore in London looking for TD and other artists and they don't have that much, particlularly not their own label. HMV had more. > > So I am happy to use internet, ebay or Borders when in US. But buying stuff that has to be posted from US costs too much. Its a shame the postage rates aren't lower. > > David > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'cruggiero' Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 12:02 pm Subject: Oke 2002 report Just wanted to post a quick message and say that I had a really good time at the Ricochet Gathering. This was my first time there and I didn't quite know what to expect. Sometimes you enter situations where you have a preconceived notion about a place or the people; I was completely wrong about the swamp - it was really a nice place to visit and the cabins were great! As for the people, it was nice, but very weird(!), being around other EM and TD enthusiasts - most of my friends are not into EM or they just don't get it. Big thanks go out to: - Vic for organizing it, - Peter and John of AirSculpture, Steve and Jens of Star Sounds Orchestra, Dave Brewer, and Bill Fox for the fantastic music and the terrific conversation, - All of the 'chefs' - the food was great, - All of the fans that came out - it was nice to meet you all and I hope to see you again at future gatherings. I am going to work on putting up a website where I can post my impressions and some pictures I took (that I need to have developed). When I have it ready, I will post the link here and a few other lists. Carlo From: Dan Downey Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 1:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Computer for multi-track recording I'll chuck 2 cents into this spec as well - if you're going to use some serious software (Sonar, Reason, etc.) then avoid a system board with built in sound and video. You won't want to use them and they can interfere with add in cards. You want an AGP slot for video (some software supports dual monitors which can be handy). I'd also suggest 2 hard drives - 1 for your software and OS and the second just for working and storing the sound files. I've used the Turtle Beach cards as well and found them very quiet which is nice. I also have an Aardvark card I use for recording, all the electronics on the card are shielded in an enclosed block and has an external breakout box. For laptop folk there are a number of companies who have released USB external sound cards that are a vast improvemnt over the internal ones. I also heavily agree on Win2K as the OS - it is night and day compered to Win98. I've had maybe 1 crash in 3 years and that was caused by a horrendous software bug. --- Morgan Feldon wrote: > Well, you said off-list, but I'm sure there are a > lot of people buying > computers left and right and if I can save even one > person from the > Compaq/HP nightmare, it's worth going off-topic > here. > > Believe it or not, sound does not require a lot of > CPU power except when > you are doing filters and equalization and reverb > and need to 'render' the > effects to the file. Then it slogs the data around > and performs a lot of > math performing all those operations. Otherwise, > it's hard drive speed > that's the kicker. > > > Your best bet these days, except for laptops (then > go Dell or Sony!!), is > to build your own computer or have a store build it. > > The days of jumpers, dip switches, and connectors > running any and > everywhere are over. > > Modern motherboards have all the printer, USB, etc. > connectors in a cluster > bolted to the motherboard. The motherboards now > figure out what processor > and memory you have without being told. > > > You could realistically go from the ground up on a > PC for $1,100 and be > thoroughly satisfied. > > I'm thinking a > 1200 MHz AMD Athlon (forget Intel) and fan > nice motherboard (Soyo, ECS) > 512 MB RAM > ATX case + power supply > floppy > 7200RPM 60GB ATA100 IBM Deskstar hard drive > GeForce 2 MX400 video card > keyboard > mouse > 17' display > 12x Plextor CD Recorder/Rewriter > > As for the sound card, I will have to leave that up > to others, but > obviously steer clear of any Creative Labs like > Sound Blaster, especially > that PoS Audigy. Turtle Beach is about the lowest > consumer-level card > around, but doesn't have 5 inputs. > > Best of luck! > > Oh, and put Windows 2000. Not 95, not 98, not ME, > and not XP! Stable OS > with no bloat. > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from > their new CD 'Across the Sky' live online Thursday, > April 25, at 10 pm PDT. > Tune in to the live internet stream at > http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra > (more info at http://www.kpfa.org) > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.dtbits.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 3:16 pm Subject: AMD One more off-topic... >Dale said: >I steer clear of AMD... I bet we can talk about that for a decade. If you've been dealing with AMD for a decade, then I understand your fear/caution/distaste for AMD. They made some REALLY bad chips for a long time there. But the K7 series (Athlon, Duron, Athlon XP) is rocking Intel's world and showing how Intel has totally lost its edge. Anyway, either Pentium 4 or AMD is serviceable. I just have to ask, why pay more and use soon-to-be-obsolete overpriced RAM? Let's let this continue in private. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33561 Re: AMD TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Thu 4/25/2002 4 KB 33562 Re: AMD TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Thu 4/25/2002 4 KB 33565 Re: AMD Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 4/25/2002 5 KB 33567 Re: AMD Steve Thu 4/25/2002 2 KB 33570 Re: AMD, Ath.1.4, music in computers... Gustavo Jobim Thu 4/25/2002 3 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 3:22 pm Subject: OT: Building a PC >Dan Downey said: > >I'll chuck 2 cents into this spec as well - if you're >going to use some serious software (Sonar, Reason, >etc.) then avoid a system board with built in sound >and video. You won't want to use them and they can >interfere with add in cards. You want an AGP slot for >video (some software supports dual monitors which can >be handy). It's getting hard to get a motherboard that doesn't have sound and video tacked on. Fortunately, most of the new motherboards let you completely disable these watered-down cards and use cards you add yourself. I agree with the idea of getting maybe a 20GB system drive with Windows 2000 and all your tools, and then a 40-60GB data drive, and then the burner, each on their own IDE cable. -Morgan From: Liondream@a... Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 3:16 pm Subject: Oke Report - thanks! Dave, Thanks for the fantastic Oke report. I thoroughly enjoyed reading it on this blah morning at the office. Gee, it sounds like it was a lot of fun. Maybe it's time to start saving up right now to try and make it to one of these maybe next year!!! Did you say there's talk of doing one in the Southwest next year? That would be way cool IMO!!! I went to a one-week long Bryce seminar at the Ghost Ranch outside of Abiquiu a couple years ago and that was a very cool location. The Ghost Ranch was cool because food and lodging, etc. was all right on site and part of the package. We took over a bunch of rooms and had a hall all to ourselves for all of the computer gear. We were out in the middle of nowhere, yet we were only about an hour or so away from Santa Fe. It was a beautiful location with lots of hiking and spectacular natural sites, and I'm only writing all of this because I think the Southwest (in addition to Oke) is another place that would (IMO) lend itself wonderfully to the whole atmosphere of TD and related music. The Ghost Ranch seems like it would be the absolute perfect location for such an event. At any rate, thanks for brightening up my day and reminding me that there are other cool things out there and lots of great music to look forward to!!! Wes BTW: This Ghost Ranch seminar was related to Planetary Traveller, which Paul Haslinger did the music to. So, there is a TD connection there! :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33569 Re: Oke Report - thanks! Dan Downey Thu 4/25/2002 5 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 3:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] AMD At 10:16 25.04.02 , you wrote: >One more off-topic... > >>Dale said: >>I steer clear of AMD... I bet we can talk about that for a decade. > >If you've been dealing with AMD for a decade, then I understand your >fear/caution/distaste for AMD. They made some REALLY bad chips for a long >time there. But the K7 series (Athlon, Duron, Athlon XP) is rocking Intel's >world and showing how Intel has totally lost its edge. > >Anyway, either Pentium 4 or AMD is serviceable. I just have to ask, why pay >more and use soon-to-be-obsolete overpriced RAM? > >Let's let this continue in private. > >-Morgan > Hi Folks, just for your info: Steinberg´s software is now officially optimized for the AMD Athlon processor´s , which means they have pretty much given up on Intel. A Steinberg technician told me that Intel has integrated some features into the Pentium 4 that make it far inferior to the Athlon in regard to audio-performance. If you plan to do multitrack-recording with maximum HD-performance - I would opt for getting a mainboard with a built-in RAID-controller. Then you can take two identical harddiscs and build a RAID 0-array for your audio recording - your computer will then recognize the two discs as one big disc, thus doubling the data-transfer-rate. This will outdo any SCSI-unit and will most probably also cost a lot less (SCSI discs are very expensive). Oh yes, for IDE/ATA-harddiscs - make sure that you go for Ultra ATA 100-discs with 7200 rpm as this will also increase performance. Hope this helped. I can run around 60 audio tracks plus plugins plus 4 softsynths on an Athlon 1500 XP with a RAID 0 array on an ASUS A7V Mainboard. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 3:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] AMD At 10:16 25.04.02 , you wrote: >One more off-topic... > >>Dale said: >>I steer clear of AMD... I bet we can talk about that for a decade. > >If you've been dealing with AMD for a decade, then I understand your >fear/caution/distaste for AMD. They made some REALLY bad chips for a long >time there. But the K7 series (Athlon, Duron, Athlon XP) is rocking Intel's >world and showing how Intel has totally lost its edge. > >Anyway, either Pentium 4 or AMD is serviceable. I just have to ask, why pay >more and use soon-to-be-obsolete overpriced RAM? > >Let's let this continue in private. > >-Morgan > Hi Folks, just for your info: Steinberg´s software is now officially optimized for the AMD Athlon processor´s , which means they have pretty much given up on Intel. A Steinberg technician told me that Intel has integrated some features into the Pentium 4 that make it far inferior to the Athlon in regard to audio-performance. If you plan to do multitrack-recording with maximum HD-performance - I would opt for getting a mainboard with a built-in RAID-controller. Then you can take two identical harddiscs and build a RAID 0-array for your audio recording - your computer will then recognize the two discs as one big disc, thus doubling the data-transfer-rate. This will outdo any SCSI-unit and will most probably also cost a lot less (SCSI discs are very expensive). Oh yes, for IDE/ATA-harddiscs - make sure that you go for Ultra ATA 100-discs with 7200 rpm as this will also increase performance. Hope this helped. I can run around 60 audio tracks plus plugins plus 4 softsynths on an Athlon 1500 XP with a RAID 0 array on an ASUS A7V Mainboard. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 4:15 pm Subject: Wollo Is anyone planning on attending this weekend Erik Wollo concert in Philly? Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33585 Re: Wollo Bill Fox Fri 4/26/2002 2 KB From: 'dreamsector' Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 4:28 pm Subject: OT sound card I would steer clear of Turtle Bitch, IMO, having had a couple. They are nice, but really nothing more than a glorified Sound Blaster contender and problematic in my experience. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33566 Re: OT sound card Administrator for kay-net.com Thu 4/25/2002 3 KB From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 4:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] AMD This is starting to sound so much like the PC / MAC view that I refuse to comment any further. Just use what works for you. If you are not in the business of making computers then keep it to yourself. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak' To: Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] AMD At 10:16 25.04.02 , you wrote: >One more off-topic... > >>Dale said: >>I steer clear of AMD... I bet we can talk about that for a decade. > >If you've been dealing with AMD for a decade, then I understand your >fear/caution/distaste for AMD. They made some REALLY bad chips for a long >time there. But the K7 series (Athlon, Duron, Athlon XP) is rocking Intel's >world and showing how Intel has totally lost its edge. > >Anyway, either Pentium 4 or AMD is serviceable. I just have to ask, why pay >more and use soon-to-be-obsolete overpriced RAM? > >Let's let this continue in private. > >-Morgan > Hi Folks, just for your info: Steinberg´s software is now officially optimized for the AMD Athlon processor´s , which means they have pretty much given up on Intel. A Steinberg technician told me that Intel has integrated some features into the Pentium 4 that make it far inferior to the Athlon in regard to audio-performance. If you plan to do multitrack-recording with maximum HD-performance - I would opt for getting a mainboard with a built-in RAID-controller. Then you can take two identical harddiscs and build a RAID 0-array for your audio recording - your computer will then recognize the two discs as one big disc, thus doubling the data-transfer-rate. This will outdo any SCSI-unit and will most probably also cost a lot less (SCSI discs are very expensive). Oh yes, for IDE/ATA-harddiscs - make sure that you go for Ultra ATA 100-discs with 7200 rpm as this will also increase performance. Hope this helped. I can run around 60 audio tracks plus plugins plus 4 softsynths on an Athlon 1500 XP with a RAID 0 array on an ASUS A7V Mainboard. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: www.tdimusic.com Have a nice day! ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from their new CD 'Across the Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT. Tune in to the live internet stream at http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra (more info at http://www.kpfa.org) Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Administrator for kay-net.com' Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 4:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT sound card Same experience here but only with earlier TB cards. I have had better luck with cards from TB in the last year. dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'dreamsector' To: Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 9:28 AM Subject: [tadream] OT sound card > I would steer clear of Turtle Bitch, IMO, having had a couple. They are > nice, but really nothing more than a glorified Sound Blaster contender > and problematic in my experience. > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from their new CD 'Across the Sky' live online Thursday, April 25, at 10 pm PDT. > Tune in to the live internet stream at > http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra > (more info at http://www.kpfa.org) > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Steve' Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 3:37 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] AMD Morgan said: > But the K7 series (Athlon, Duron, Athlon XP) is > rocking Intel's > world and showing how Intel has totally lost its edge. > > Anyway, either Pentium 4 or AMD is serviceable. I just have to > ask, why pay > more and use soon-to-be-obsolete overpriced RAM? I can't comment about how AMD chips cope with music software, but as far as CPU intensive graphics software goes AMD leaves Intel standing. My 1.4GHz Athlon gives performance equivalent to a 2GHz Pentium... > Let's let this continue in private. Sorry to continue in public, but I hate to see people spend money needlessly! Steve www.craftman.co.uk www.rottievision.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33570 Re: AMD, Ath.1.4, music in computers... Gustavo Jobim Thu 4/25/2002 3 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 5:41 pm Subject: Ricochet Gathering This year was the last Okefenokee event for the Ricochet Gathering, at least for some time. So I was glad to be a part of the *beginning*. Next year we'll be in the Southwest in a desert motif, playing music under the stars hopefully. Vic said maybe we'll come back to Okefenokee for a 10 year anniversary. :) I hope it stays in the US. There are enough European festivals I can't attend! -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 33576 Re: Ricochet Gathering Szatmari Pal Thu 4/25/2002 2 KB 33578 Re: Ricochet Gathering quarlie@a... Thu 4/25/2002 2 KB 33598 Re: Ricochet Gathering artofvision01 Fri 4/26/2002 2 KB 33740 Re: Ricochet Gathering vic rek Mon 5/6/2002 2 KB From: Dan Downey Date: Thu Apr 25, 2002 5:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Oke Report - thanks! Hi Wes, was the Bryce seminar for the graphic software Bryce? If so that's one of my favorite programs to play with. I wish I had the time to really get into it and a seminar would be a dream come true. I have a number of web sites I maintain and one of them has several Bryce images - www.djbits.com - I setup this site to be a portal to a bunch of other sites. If you check out the home page you'll easily recognize a simple Bryce primitive. I've used it also for some of the site logos. I'm way behind in updating it and re-doing some of the links but what I intend to do with all these sites is provide a resource, primarily of other links for people interested in Electronic Music and Digital Graphics. Please let me know if you want me to build any links in for any of your sites. I'm especially fond of Bryce and love to see how people apply it. DanD --- Liondream@a... wrote: > Dave, > > Thanks for the fantastic Oke report. I thoroughly > enjoyed reading it on this blah morning at the > office. Gee, it sounds like it was a lot of fun. > Maybe it's time to start saving up right now to try > and make it to one of these maybe next year!!! > > Did you say there's talk of doing one in the > Southwest next year? That would be way cool IMO!!! > > I went to a one-week long Bryce seminar at the Ghost > Ranch outside of Abiquiu a couple years ago and that > was a very cool location. The Ghost Ranch was cool > because food and lodging, etc. was all right on site > and part of the package. We took over a bunch of > rooms and had a hall all to ourselves for all of the > computer gear. We were out in the middle of nowhere, > yet we were only about an hour or so away from Santa > Fe. > > It was a beautiful location with lots of hiking and > spectacular natural sites, and I'm only writing all > of this because I think the Southwest (in addition > to Oke) is another place that would (IMO) lend > itself wonderfully to the whole atmosphere of TD and > related music. > > The Ghost Ranch seems like it would be the absolute > perfect location for such an event. > > At any rate, thanks for brightening up my day and > reminding me that there are other cool things out > there and lots of great music to look forward to!!! > > Wes > > BTW: This Ghost Ranch seminar was related to > Planetary Traveller, which Paul Haslinger did the > music to. So, there is a TD connection there! > > :-) > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > The Kevin Keller Trio will be performing music from > their new CD 'Across the Sky' live online Thursday, > April 25, at 10 pm PDT. > Tune in to the live internet stream at > http://radio.transbay.net:7070/ramgen/kpfa.ra > (more info at http://www.kpfa.org) > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.dtbits.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Apr 26, 2002 12:50 am Subject: Re: AMD, Ath.1.4, music in computers... Exactly. It is well known that the Athlon 1.4 can sometimes be even better than a 2 GHz P4, and the more people know about that, the better. I've been thinking in upgrading my processor (excellent Duron 800 I've been using for a year). I only have to know if my motherboard can have a 1.4 Ath. I haven't experienced any problems using the Duron 800 (with Asus A7V133 mobo) with music, but I don't use the computer for sampling or software synths, only for recording and mixing from the hardware synth. I have a Quantum Fireball PlusAS 40 GB, 7200 RPM, ATA100, which works really fine and a SBLive Platinum 5.1, which I got because of the front panel with many connections, including digital in and out. I have nothing to complain about any of these, and the SB sound is clear and I can't notice any noise... Although I do want in the future to get something more professional. Gotta install win2k, btw. Just need time to do it... I REALLY need vacations now. just to mention TD... np. 220V. Actually it's just ended this very moment. Steve wrote: > I can't comment about how AMD chips cope with music software, but as far as CPU intensive graphics software goes AMD leaves Intel standing. My 1.4GHz Athlon gives performance equivalent to a 2GHz Pentium...